Paul was not qualified to be an apostle

[Praus]

Nobody else calls Paul an apostle.

Acts 14:14 [Which] when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard [of], ...

 

[TaylorTG]

Was Judas predestined or did he make a choice?

If Judas was chosen to become an apostle, then he must have been a good person.
The bible does say that Judas repented..well..repented in a way. Let me find that bible passage, I know it's in here somewhere...
Here it is! Please feel free to look up: The gospel according to Matthew, chapter 27:3-10 'Judas hangs himself'.

And here's a bible passage to contribute to this thread: 'The mission of the twelve'
The gospel according to Luke, chapter 9 --> The entire passage.

Yep! The apostles were given the authority by God to repel demons and cure diseases. They were obviously qualified, no?

 

[Tintin]

Jesus had 72 apostles, along with the 12 main apostles. Other followers of Jesus are referred to as 'disciples'. That's what we are, if we truly follow Christ - His disciples.

 

[TaylorTG]

Jesus had 72 apostles, along with the 12 main apostles. Other followers of Jesus are referred to as 'disciples'. That's what we are, if we truly follow Christ - His disciples.

72 apostles? You completely lost me. I'll have to dig deep into my bible to figure this out. Thanks for confusing me, God bless...

 

[Cobus]

Did Judas have a choice? Yes! We all have a CHOICE... but there would not have been a CHOICE is God did not present evil as one of the two WILLS we can do! We have a choice to CHOOSE whether we want to follow God to holiness, or Satan to sin. Just like Adam. But God knows who will choose HIM and who will not.

Jesus knew Judas was going to be the traitor. Jesus pontd him out and here is the WORST thing to know.... The son of perdition, is what Jesus calles him in John 17. Did Judas have a choice? YES! He did not have to betray Jesus, it was a choice made by SATAN but he followedd SATAN and NOT God.
And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.

Judas made his choice LONG before Satan entered into him. Judas was only the VESSEL for the betaying spirit of SATAN.... Why did Peter not betray Jesus? Or why was it not John or James? How come it was Judas Iscariot? Here is why... In Mat 26 we can see the jelousy and the greed for richness and fine things in Judas Iscariot. When the woman put the expensive oil on Jesus, the disciples suggested it could have been sold, but straight aftrer that Judas went to the chief priest for a deal on the life of Jesus.

See it happened when the purse he carried could have been fattened by the oil. Judas chose there that money was more valuable than Jesus. And right there Judas went LOST. But then Jesus and God knew he would choose SATAN over Holy Spirit. So I guess God knows who will be bearers of SATAN in the flesh, and who will be bearers of Holy Spirit (GOD) in the flesh. Remember time does not exist for God. Only for us!

 

[zone]

In addition to my posts on the topic, also responding to some comments;

God established qualifications AND criteria for apostleship in Scripture, I did provide an area of a couple verses in Acts 1 earlier. Here are a couple more, pls use kjv so we are sharing in the same words,;

Matthew 19:27 they have forsaken all,

Luke 22:28 they that have continued w/Christ & have been appointed a kingdom,

1) John 15:27 they have been w/Him from the beginning,
being identified from the time of John's ministry & call to repent & be water baptized.

The Messianic ministry in Acts does not deviate in any form from the instruction of Matt-John, this includes the replacement of Judas of the 12 apostles. The 12 apostles have a calling, position & vocation.

2) Paul "called to be an apostle", God is separating him to something, the great change in Scripture.

3) Re: Paul was not qualified to be an apostle

1) they had to be witnesses of the fact that Christ was Resurrected.

Acts 5
31"He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. 32"And we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him."

Luke 24:48
You are witnesses of these things.

Acts 9:17
Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, "Brother Saul, the Lord--Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here--has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit."

1 Corinthians 9
Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord?

2) what great change in Scripture?

3) you still have not explained what you mean by this : Re: Paul was not qualified to be an apostle

 

[zone]

Hello,

// I am sure that the humble APOSTLE Paul is the first to confess, "I am not worthy of the less of Gods favors; but I am what I am by the GRACE of GOD//

Paul is not using self depreciating language here as some form of humility. There is a word, "meet" it has to do with measuring up, it has to do with qualification. Paul is meet to be a partaker in something, the free gift.

There is a term, "faith of Christ", the righteousness of God which is by the faith of Christ, we have access to grace by the faith of Him, this is what eternal love between the Father & the Son is revealing from "faith to faith" grace, being justified "freely by His grace".

For by grace are ye saved, through faith*and that *not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. Paul was First to stand in the gospel truth for today, the gospel of our salvation. He is to be as a pattern, Phil 3:9, 1 Tim 1:16 kjv.

you're very confused.

 

[TaylorTG]

you're very confused.

Then educate him! Don't just tell him that he is confused, tell him why he is confused. Be productive, Mr.Zone.

 

[zone]

1) they had to be witnesses of the fact that Christ was Resurrected.

Acts 5
31"He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. 32"And we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him."

Luke 24:48
You are witnesses of these things.

Acts 9:17
Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, "Brother Saul, the Lord--Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here--has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit."

1 Corinthians 9
Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord?

2) what great change in Scripture?

3) you still have not explained what you mean by this : Re: Paul was not qualified to be an apostle

Then educate him! Don't just tell him that he is confused, tell him why he is confused. Be productive, Mr.Zone.

we are both she, not he.

may we establish what the issues really are first?
thanks.

 

[LovePink]

On the contrary, I am far from the confusion, especially that of Lutheranism. There was a time when I was blinded by my religious beliefs. I made a choice, freewill choice, do you believe in freewill? Do you know what you worship? God never called us to an altar.

 

[zone]

On the contrary, I am far from the confusion, especially that of Lutheranism. There was a time when I was blinded by my religious beliefs. I made a choice, freewill choice, do you believe in freewill? Do you know what you worship? God never called us to an altar.

well dear, God Bless you in your journey.
you have 23 posts so far, yet prefer the cryptic approach.
do you ever get around to engaging with the responses you get to your questions?

i'll review those 23 posts and see if i can determine what you do believe.
meanwhile, back at the ranch.

 

[TaylorTG]

I'll review those 23 posts and see if i can determine what you do believe.
meanwhile, back at the ranch.

May your ranch prosper through the work of your hands.

 

[nathan3]

This thread is a lesson in confusion....

 

[TaylorTG]

This thread is a lesson in confusion....

You just might be as confused as I am!
Let us abandon this confusing thread!

 

[zone]

This is a truth plainly set forth in Scripture by a few verses. What were the requirements for an apostle of Jesus' earthly ministry (Rm 15:8), according to Scripture, Christ and the Holy Spirit?

So, we should see & understand, God in keeping with His character (Holy, just, righteous & perfect in all His ways), did what when He raised up, converted and separated Saul unto Himself? (Rm 1:1, Gal 1:15)

I want to include a verse, part of the apostle Paul's commission statement, if you will, for consideration in the fact, if something is different- it is not the same.

"For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect." 1 Corinthians 1:17

Let the words on the page say what they mean. This shows distiction, right division, for a purpose God is revealing about a change in His dealings with man in time. Read in a King James Version of the bible, pls, so we are sharing in the same words, Eph 2:11-13.

Let me offer one more verse of distinction, for our conversation, study, profit & learning;

"But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;" Gal 2:7

Dispensationalism.
okay

CHECK.

In addition to my original post, according to Scripture, we'll just look at Acts 1, after recently being instructed some 40 days by the risen Lord, speaking of things pertaining to the kingdom of God, Peter stood up to address the replacement of Judas, there are a couple verses, 21 & 22, we can read of some of the requirements to take part in the ministry of the little flock, to the bride of Christ.

There is a reason for the terms, bride of Christ and the one new man.

God is not the God of confusion, we all agree I'm sure. Scripture is not meant to be harmonized, but rightly divided, so that we may know some things about who we are in Christ and what God is doing in accordance with our position, calling, vocation, inheritance.

We never read about the new man in the four gospels of Christ's earthly ministry and we certainly never read about a kingdom of priests in Paul's epistles, there is a distinction for a reason, "the mystery of his will" (Eph 1:9).

It's about realms & dominions, principalities & powers, a plan of glory. " wisdom which none of the princes of this world knew; for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of Glory."

alright.
so, you are KJV.
i'm guessing Scofield.
Dispensations; Paul called to a different ministry.
and we have distinctions in times God is dealing with men.

"We never read about the new man in the four gospels of Christ's earthly ministry and we certainly never read about a kingdom of priests in Paul's epistles, there is a distinction for a reason, "the mystery of his will" (Eph 1:9)."

okay

still there, LovePink ?

 

[zone]

I want to include a verse, part of the apostle Paul's commission statement, if you will, for consideration in the fact, if something is different- it is not the same.

"For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect." 1 Corinthians 1:17

Let the words on the page say what they mean. This shows distiction, right division, for a purpose God is revealing about a change in His dealings with man in time.

LovePink; is the Church a parenthesis in God's Plan? the "Mystery"? the change no one saw coming?

what is your understanding of this change of plans that came about with Paul.
you appear to connect it to this:

"For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect." 1 Corinthians 1:17

you are aware that Paul did baptize people, aren't you?

 

[buckets]

Paul met Jesus on the road ​Paul did what Jesus said

 

[zone]

 

[danschance]

Another odd thread from Pink.

The Apostle Paul had the most amazing conversion. He had been in the business of Murdering Christians and then Jesus supernaturally revealed Himself to Paul. Paul wrote a large portion of the New Testament but now Pink denies that Paul is qualified to be an apostle.

(...plays Twilight Zone theme song with volume at max)

 

[danschance]

The Messianic ministry in Acts does not deviate in any form from the instruction of Matt-John, this includes the replacement of Judas of the 12 apostles. The 12 apostles have a calling, position & vocation.

There were more than 12 apostles.

1. Simon Peter (Matt. 10:2)
2. Andrew (Matt. 10:2)
3. James the son of Zebedee (Matt. 10:2)
4. John (Matt. 10:2)
5. Philip (Matt. 10:3)
6. Bartholomew (Matt. 10:3)
7. Thomas (Matt. 10:3)
8. Matthew (Matt. 10:3)
9. James the son of Alphaeus (Matt. 10:3)
10. Thaddaeus (Matt. 10:3), or Judas the son of James (Luke 6:16)
11. Simon the Zealot (Matt. 10:4)
12. Judas Iscariot (Matt. 10:4)
13. Matthias (Acts 1:26)
14. Paul (Gal. 1:1)
15. Barnabas (1 Cor. 9:5-6, Acts 14:4, 14)
16. Andronicus (Rom. 16:7)
17. Junias (Rom. 16:7)
18. James, the Lord's brother (Gal. 1:19)
19. Silas (Silvanus) (1 Thess. 1:1, 2:6)
20. Timothy (1 Thess. 1:1, 2:6)
21. Unnamed apostles (1 Cor. 15:7)