Pentecostal Holiness versus Church of Pentecost
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the name on the building LOL.
The word "Holiness" is speaking of a legalistic movement within the church called the Holiness Movement. FYI not only Pentecostals were a part of that movement. it started as far back as the puritans and John and Charles Westly were very much a part of that which was in the Methodist church.
The Church of Pentecost is speaking by what I get from the name that those inside that church building Identify with the experience found in Acts chapter 2. Yet they can also be part of the holiness doctrine. I hope that helps
The word "Holiness" is speaking of a legalistic movement within the church called the Holiness Movement. FYI not only Pentecostals were a part of that movement. it started as far back as the puritans and John and Charles Westly were very much a part of that which was in the Methodist church.
The Church of Pentecost is speaking by what I get from the name that those inside that church building Identify with the experience found in Acts chapter 2. Yet they can also be part of the holiness doctrine. I hope that helps
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The church of Pentecost has its origins about 1900. It stated in Ghana by a missionary sent out from the Apostolic church in the UK.
The holiness movement is an old movement and included several denominations like the Methodists. They strove to obey the biblical command to be holy as Christ is holy. The Quakers followed this type of conduct.
A good dose of holiness and personal purity is needed in the church today.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The holiness movement is an old movement and included several denominations like the Methodists. They strove to obey the biblical command to be holy as Christ is holy. The Quakers followed this type of conduct.
A good dose of holiness and personal purity is needed in the church today.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Thanks for all replies.
My neighbor is a member of a local International Church of Pentecost. I have gone to 4 services and their praise/worship broke through to Hebrews 12 22-24 once for about 30 seconds and they just walked away as if it was nothing important. The Lords presence is there.
I went to a Charismatic church in Virginia from the early 70s to late 80s with some backsliding and rebellion. Moved to Florida in 87 in an attempt to run from GOD - no one knew me here. At every service in Va we broke through that barrier into GODs presence. A.K.A. 'high praise." See again Heb 12 22-24.
About 12 years ago at my sons request I joined him at the church he attended expecting praise and worship like what I had run from back in Va. I left the service in tears and sat in my car for about 1/2 hour and just wept. Praise and worship has been changed to a point that I no longer recognize it.
I have done some research and ran across the phrase "praise wars" of the early 90s into 2010 and further. What was once truly praise and worship has become a performance by a band behind the pulpit. The congregation focuses more on the performance on stage than on GOD. The congregation ,for the most part, are there to be entertained.
I have a deep burning desire to be a part of true praise and worship growing in me now so I tried The Church of Pentecost and found some of the history mentioned mentioned above. Born out of an early 20th century Holy Ghost revival. The Pentecostal Holiness denomination formed around 1935 or so. Then came a split concerning the words spoken at an individuals water baptism. The PH taught "I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost." The Internationals say "I baptize you in the name of the Father, in the name of Jesus ,
and the Holy Ghost." It seems like a legalistic division/split to me. I won't be going back there as I don't want to be a stumbling block to the folks there because of the doctrinal beliefs. I had a conversation with the pastor and he was quite defensive about his doctrine. So I just walked away. International Church of Pentecost denomination formed in about 1962.
Does any else have some first hand understanding.
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My neighbor is a member of a local International Church of Pentecost. I have gone to 4 services and their praise/worship broke through to Hebrews 12 22-24 once for about 30 seconds and they just walked away as if it was nothing important. The Lords presence is there.
I went to a Charismatic church in Virginia from the early 70s to late 80s with some backsliding and rebellion. Moved to Florida in 87 in an attempt to run from GOD - no one knew me here. At every service in Va we broke through that barrier into GODs presence. A.K.A. 'high praise." See again Heb 12 22-24.
About 12 years ago at my sons request I joined him at the church he attended expecting praise and worship like what I had run from back in Va. I left the service in tears and sat in my car for about 1/2 hour and just wept. Praise and worship has been changed to a point that I no longer recognize it.
I have done some research and ran across the phrase "praise wars" of the early 90s into 2010 and further. What was once truly praise and worship has become a performance by a band behind the pulpit. The congregation focuses more on the performance on stage than on GOD. The congregation ,for the most part, are there to be entertained.
I have a deep burning desire to be a part of true praise and worship growing in me now so I tried The Church of Pentecost and found some of the history mentioned mentioned above. Born out of an early 20th century Holy Ghost revival. The Pentecostal Holiness denomination formed around 1935 or so. Then came a split concerning the words spoken at an individuals water baptism. The PH taught "I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost." The Internationals say "I baptize you in the name of the Father, in the name of Jesus ,
and the Holy Ghost." It seems like a legalistic division/split to me. I won't be going back there as I don't want to be a stumbling block to the folks there because of the doctrinal beliefs. I had a conversation with the pastor and he was quite defensive about his doctrine. So I just walked away. International Church of Pentecost denomination formed in about 1962.
Does any else have some first hand understanding.
thanks
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@oldman - Thanks for sharing your journey with all of us. No matter what denomination you end up with.....you'll be disappointed. All denominations are manmade. God NEVER said to "Go ye into all the Earth and make denominations and doctrines of men."
Just look at the people and love them and be who God has called you to be, forget about the denominations....look at the people. You'll find your fit! I thoroughly enjoy the charismatic group! We're jumping jelly beans during praise! lol!
True Believers are just passing through....travelers....on our way to the Holy City.....nothing on this Earth is as is should be.....yet.
Enjoy your travels...see you at the Holy City!
Just look at the people and love them and be who God has called you to be, forget about the denominations....look at the people. You'll find your fit! I thoroughly enjoy the charismatic group! We're jumping jelly beans during praise! lol!
True Believers are just passing through....travelers....on our way to the Holy City.....nothing on this Earth is as is should be.....yet.
Enjoy your travels...see you at the Holy City!
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@oldman - Thanks for sharing your journey with all of us. No matter what denomination you end up with.....you'll be disappointed. All denominations are manmade. God NEVER said to "Go ye into all the Earth and make denominations and doctrines of men."
Just look at the people and love them and be who God has called you to be, forget about the denominations....look at the people. You'll find your fit! I thoroughly enjoy the charismatic group! We're jumping jelly beans during praise! lol!
True Believers are just passing through....travelers....on our way to the Holy City.....nothing on this Earth is as is should be.....yet.
Enjoy your travels...see you at the Holy City!
Just look at the people and love them and be who God has called you to be, forget about the denominations....look at the people. You'll find your fit! I thoroughly enjoy the charismatic group! We're jumping jelly beans during praise! lol!
True Believers are just passing through....travelers....on our way to the Holy City.....nothing on this Earth is as is should be.....yet.
Enjoy your travels...see you at the Holy City!
It took a lot of prayer and study for me to land where I am now. I am glad that God lead me through it all though, and brought me to this place.
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I know a person very well that 20 years ago was a part of a new SBC Baptist church being established in a collage town.
After about 5 years, their growth leveled off at about 300.
They decided to take Baptist off the sign and off all their literature and become non-denominational.
Of course, that was in name only, their teaching did not change,
Within another 5 years they had grown to 500 and now have 800 in attendance.
Where as the collage crowd avoided them as Baptist, they now have a great number of them in attendance.
The day of having a general idea of what a church taught and practiced by the name out front, is long past.
After about 5 years, their growth leveled off at about 300.
They decided to take Baptist off the sign and off all their literature and become non-denominational.
Of course, that was in name only, their teaching did not change,
Within another 5 years they had grown to 500 and now have 800 in attendance.
Where as the collage crowd avoided them as Baptist, they now have a great number of them in attendance.
The day of having a general idea of what a church taught and practiced by the name out front, is long past.
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Well, God will destroy a city if He cannot find at least 10 righteous.......so, maybe if a church is still operating.....there are at least 10 righteous people in that congregation somewhere.....
I do praise God that there are still Christian churches with their doors open in America!! Thank You Jesus! Hallelujah!
I do praise God that there are still Christian churches with their doors open in America!! Thank You Jesus! Hallelujah!
......and LOVE....don't forget LOVE for God first and then people!
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