Pets

[Utah]

The precious blood of JESUS was not shed on the cross for your pot bellied pig or gerbils. Animals to no have everlasting souls. GOD did not fashion animals out of the dust of the earth and breath into their nostrils the breath of LIFE.

Animals have no need of Jesus' precious blood being shed for them; they are without sin. And as far as God NOT breathing the breath of LIFE into animals? Talk about lol, I guess animals are just walking around dead because they have no life in them. I live a mile away from a famous comedy club, but I have no need to go there for laughs when there's posts like yours on this site. Pathetically humorous and completely shortsighted of God's glory!

 

[SarahM777]

Number 22

[SUP]21 [/SUP]Balaam got up in the morning, saddled his donkey and went with the Moabite officials. [SUP]22 [/SUP]But God was very angry when he went, and the angel of the Lord stood in the road to oppose him. Balaam was riding on his donkey, and his two servants were with him. [SUP]23[/SUP]When the donkey saw the angel of the Lord standing in the road with a drawn sword in his hand, it turned off the road into a field. Balaam beat it to get it back on the road.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Then the angel of the Lord stood in a narrow path through the vineyards, with walls on both sides. [SUP]25 [/SUP]When the donkey saw the angel of the Lord, it pressed close to the wall, crushing Balaam’s foot against it. So he beat the donkey again.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Then the angel of the Lord moved on ahead and stood in a narrow place where there was no room to turn, either to the right or to the left. [SUP]27[/SUP]When the donkey saw the angel of the Lord, it lay down under Balaam, and he was angry and beat it with his staff. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Then the Lord opened the donkey’s mouth, and it said to Balaam, “What have I done to you to make you beat me these three times?”
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Balaam answered the donkey, “You have made a fool of me! If only I had a sword in my hand, I would kill you right now.”
[SUP]30 [/SUP]The donkey said to Balaam, “Am I not your own donkey, which you have always ridden, to this day? Have I been in the habit of doing this to you?”
“No,” he said.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Then the Lord opened Balaam’s eyes, and he saw the angel of the Lord standing in the road with his sword drawn. So he bowed low and fell facedown.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]The angel of the Lord asked him, “Why have you beaten your donkey these three times? I have come here to oppose you because your path is a reckless one before me.[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]33 [/SUP]The donkey saw me and turned away from me these three times. If it had not turned away, I would certainly have killed you by now, but I would have spared it.”


So how did the donkey SEE THE ANGEL of the Lord but Balaam did not? And why was the Angel of the Lord going to SPARE THE DONKEY?

 

[Utah]

Outstanding Scripture, Sister Sarah! Coincides with post 162.

 

[p_rehbein]

I would like to pose a question to those on both sides of this debate:

What if when you get to heaven, you find out you were wrong? Will you be so disappointed as to not want to be there?

 

[SarahM777]

Outstanding Scripture, Sister Sarah! Coincides with post 162.

Here's another one

1 Kings 17

17 And Elijah the Tishbite, who was of the inhabitants of Gilead, said unto Ahab, As the Lord God of Israel liveth, before whom I stand, there shall not be dew nor rain these years, but according to my word.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And the word of the Lord came unto him, saying,
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Get thee hence, and turn thee eastward, and hide thyself by the brook Cherith, that is before Jordan.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And it shall be, that thou shalt drink of the brook; and I have commanded the ravens to feed thee there.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]So he went and did according unto the word of the Lord: for he went and dwelt by the brook Cherith, that is before Jordan.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the ravens brought him bread and flesh in the morning, and bread and flesh in the evening; and he drank of the brook.

The animals hear His voice and they do what He commands them to. They too are part of His creation which has been subjected to bondage.

And Paul writes this

Romans 8


[SUP]18 [/SUP]I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope [SUP]21 [/SUP]that[SUP][h][/SUP] the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. [SUP]23 [/SUP]Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies. [SUP]24 [/SUP]For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have? [SUP]25 [/SUP]But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.

Creation includes the animals,they too WILL BE LIBERATED FROM THEIR BONDAGE. And what's so hard to understand about that?

 

[Utah]

I would like to pose a question to those on both sides of this debate:

What if when you get to heaven, you find out you were wrong? Will you be so disappointed as to not want to be there?

I'm paraphrasing because I don't remember where the exact verse is located but . . .

Anyone who puts anyone else or anything above Jesus is not fit to be with Him.

I want nothing else in all existence than to be with Jesus forever. It's that simple.

As far as being wrong . . . I was wrong once.

 

[p_rehbein]

I'm paraphrasing because I don't remember where the exact verse is located but . . .

Anyone who puts anyone else or anything above Jesus is not fit to be with Him.

I want nothing else in all existence than to be with Jesus forever. It's that simple.

As far as being wrong . . . I was wrong once.

So, your answer is "no." K........

 

[Fenner]

You know that some botanists and plant lovers will swear that talking to plants or playing certain kinds of music, is beneficial to them and arguing or yelling hurts them, right? Do plants have souls?
Where in the bible does it hint that animals have souls? You think that ANY of God's creations don't have the ability to appreciate good care? You really have no clue what God is capable of, do you?
I have had many pets and miss them all. I have 5 dogs now. I harbor no illusions that they will got to heaven, but when I make it I have all the confidence in the world that if God thinks I need pets He'll provide some heavenly ones for me.
Gaaaagghhhhhh................It is better to build doctrine on what the bible says, rather than what it doesn't say.
Silliness beyond belief in here sometimes.

Does it say they don't have soul's? Do they come back as other animal's? Do they just rot in the ground in the forever abyss? I personally feel with all of the crap animals put up with from human beings they deserve Heaven far more than we ever will.

Someday I look forward to my cat's I've lost greeting me again, and the dog's too. I'll find out when I'm dead if I'm right or wrong, but for now I'm keeping my mind open to they'll be there.

 

[Utah]

So, your answer is "no." K........

There is no sorrow in Heaven so I guess I wouldn't be disappointed . . . though I would.

 

[p_rehbein]

There is no sorrow in Heaven so I guess I wouldn't be disappointed . . . though I would.

???

....................

 

[Utah]

Joking. If there's no disappointment than how could we be disappointed?

Bit I stand firm in the love and grace of Jesus Christ that animals are indeed in Heaven.

 

[p_rehbein]

Joking. If there's no disappointment than how could we be disappointed?

Bit I stand firm in the love and grace of Jesus Christ that animals are indeed in Heaven.

Here is an Article I found you may or may not like? I found it interesting........

Excerpt:
People who have owned a dog or cat for many years become emotionally attached to their pets. But does this attachment to, and affection for animals insure that they will continue on in eternity along with the human spirit, in the place we call heaven? If so, do all living creatures go to heaven, including snakes, spiders, flies, fish, and other forms of life in the animal kingdom? Man will continue to ponder such questions for years to come. In the meantime, here are some passages from scripture that may help resolve the issues in the minds and hearts of some:

Found Here:


[h=3]Do Animals Go to Heaven? - Bible Answer Stand[/h]

 

[Utah]

People who have owned a dog or cat for many years become emotionally attached to their pets. But does this attachment to, and affection for animals insure that they will continue on in eternity along with the human spirit, in the place we call heaven?

God's sovereignty determines everyone's eternal state of being, not our emotional attachment. That said, however, if we ask in Jesus' name that animals be in Heaven I am emphatically confident that God will provide us with our loving, heartfelt request. For what we are asking is that the Creator of all life, allow life to flourish with Him in His Kingdom. Seems to me that coincides with His will.

And thank you, brother, for sharing that article.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Number 22

[SUP]21 [/SUP]Balaam got up in the morning, saddled his donkey and went with the Moabite officials. [SUP]22 [/SUP]But God was very angry when he went, and the angel of the Lord stood in the road to oppose him. Balaam was riding on his donkey, and his two servants were with him. [SUP]23[/SUP]When the donkey saw the angel of the Lord standing in the road with a drawn sword in his hand, it turned off the road into a field. Balaam beat it to get it back on the road.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Then the angel of the Lord stood in a narrow path through the vineyards, with walls on both sides. [SUP]25 [/SUP]When the donkey saw the angel of the Lord, it pressed close to the wall, crushing Balaam’s foot against it. So he beat the donkey again.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Then the angel of the Lord moved on ahead and stood in a narrow place where there was no room to turn, either to the right or to the left. [SUP]27[/SUP]When the donkey saw the angel of the Lord, it lay down under Balaam, and he was angry and beat it with his staff. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Then the Lord opened the donkey’s mouth, and it said to Balaam, “What have I done to you to make you beat me these three times?”
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Balaam answered the donkey, “You have made a fool of me! If only I had a sword in my hand, I would kill you right now.”
[SUP]30 [/SUP]The donkey said to Balaam, “Am I not your own donkey, which you have always ridden, to this day? Have I been in the habit of doing this to you?”
“No,” he said.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Then the Lord opened Balaam’s eyes, and he saw the angel of the Lord standing in the road with his sword drawn. So he bowed low and fell facedown.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]The angel of the Lord asked him, “Why have you beaten your donkey these three times? I have come here to oppose you because your path is a reckless one before me.[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]33 [/SUP]The donkey saw me and turned away from me these three times. If it had not turned away, I would certainly have killed you by now, but I would have spared it.”


So how did the donkey SEE THE ANGEL of the Lord but Balaam did not? And why was the Angel of the Lord going to SPARE THE DONKEY?

because the donkey was smarter and more in tune with God than Balaam was.. just a guess.

 

[posthuman]

i have known many animals in my life - and not one of them has been ignorant of, disobedient to, or far from the Lord.

we have read this.. ? we all know the truth of it, if not the verse itself:

The ox knows its owner,
and the donkey its master's crib,
but Israel does not know,
my people do not understand.
(Isaiah 1:3)
​

and yet what mercy He has shown to mankind!
what can i say than, is the Father unjust?

 

[p_rehbein]

i have known many animals in my life - and not one of them has been ignorant of, disobedient to, or far from the Lord.

we have read this.. ? we all know the truth of it, if not the verse itself:

The ox knows its owner,
and the donkey its master's crib,
but Israel does not know,
my people do not understand.
(Isaiah 1:3)
​

and yet what mercy He has shown to mankind!
what can i say than, is the Father unjust?

Boy, I'm stepping into the fire here I know but, goodness Brother.............I don't think we should go so far as to believe creatures are mentally, spiritually aware of God. Who He is, and what He is. Just saying........I've known a bunch of critters too, and have yet to see one "repent" and accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, and be obedient to His commandments. I have never seen any critters "witnessing" to bring other critters into the "fold."

Now, none of this has to do with weather or not there will be critters in heaven, rather it has to do with not making them "human." Human beings are triune creations. Critters are not..........and that is the real difference.

If we accept that our beloved pets will be in heaven and we will know them and they will know us...........goodness, it's gonna be a mess in my Mansion, 'cause I've had MORE than one pet............and I can think of a couple right off that WILL NOT get along with the others. And what about the guy who just loved his pet spider? Or the guy who loved his pet snake? Then there is the weird kid down the street that had that fire ant farm in his bedroom...........

 

[SarahM777]

Boy, I'm stepping into the fire here I know but, goodness Brother.............I don't think we should go so far as to believe creatures are mentally, spiritually aware of God. Who He is, and what He is. Just saying........I've known a bunch of critters too, and have yet to see one "repent" and accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, and be obedient to His commandments. I have never seen any critters "witnessing" to bring other critters into the "fold."

Now, none of this has to do with weather or not there will be critters in heaven, rather it has to do with not making them "human." Human beings are triune creations. Critters are not..........and that is the real difference.

If we accept that our beloved pets will be in heaven and we will know them and they will know us...........goodness, it's gonna be a mess in my Mansion, 'cause I've had MORE than one pet............and I can think of a couple right off that WILL NOT get along with the others. And what about the guy who just loved his pet spider? Or the guy who loved his pet snake? Then there is the weird kid down the street that had that fire ant farm in his bedroom...........

So if they are not aware of God then why did the donkey see the angel of the Lord? Why did the fish hear and obey God's commands to swallow Jonah and then to spit Jonah up on the SHORE? Why did the ravens obey God's command to feed Elijah?

 

[p_rehbein]

So if they are not aware of God then why did the donkey see the angel of the Lord? Why did the fish hear and obey God's commands to swallow Jonah and then to spit Jonah up on the SHORE? Why did the ravens obey God's command to feed Elijah?

These were miracles worked by God, not by the creatures........ I didn't say God could not use creatures to do His will. There is a difference. And, in all of History, that particular donkey was the only one that ever spoke wasn't he? I mean, donkeys don't go around preaching and such today do they?

Having cognizant thought and being used in a supernatural way by God are two different things I believe.

 

[SarahM777]

These were miracles worked by God, not by the creatures........ I didn't say God could not use creatures to do His will. There is a difference. And, in all of History, that particular donkey was the only one that ever spoke wasn't he? I mean, donkeys don't go around preaching and such today do they?

Having cognizant thought and being used in a supernatural way by God are two different things I believe.

I didn't say anything about the donkey SPEAKING. What I was talking about was that the donkey SAW THE ANGEL OF THE LORD. And on the other two the Lord spoke to both the fish and the ravens and they obeyed. How they perceive things is never explained. How both the fish and ravens understood God to obey is NOT EXPLAINED.

 

[p_rehbein]

As I stated these were specific miracles performed by God.........not the creatures.

There is an interesting, albeit long, Article about all of this that I will link. If anyone is interested, it has some good information within it.

Excerpt:

Man alone was created “in the image and likeness of God” (Genesis 1:26-27)—something that may not be said of animals. Walker therefore asked: “If the putative parallels either do not exist or are insignificant before God, what then is the critical essence of man that distinguishes him from all of creation, and what are the ramifications of this distinction? The key is found in Genesis 1:26-28, 2:18-25, and 9:5-7; it is that only man is created in the image of God” (1991, 5[2]:22, emp. added). Gary Anderson addressed this same point when he wrote:

Man’s concepts of spiritual values, his recognition of morals and his universal acknowledgement that he is responsible for his own behavior set him far apart from the animal world. That is to say, they have no immortal soul, as the following point documents. The spirit of man returns to God who gave it when one dies (Eccl. 12:7). Such is not said of the animal! Adam is called the son of God in Luke 3:38, obviously by creation. What animal is called the son of God or offspring of God? (1989, p. 76, emp. added).​

Nowhere does God’s Word indicate that animals were created in God’s image. As Philip Hughes commented:

FOUND HERE:


[h=3]Apologetics Press - Do Animals Have Souls?[/h]