Please help me understand

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And the wisdom and faith that we receive through the spirit can't be shown with tangible earth, but we know how they are in our 'heaven'.
 
Glad you asked that word create is the Hebrew word Bara which means created out of nothing. You can look at the formless void as nothing or look at it as a progression from a formless void. Imo a formless void is nothing.

Psalm 33:6
6 By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
Psalm 33:9
9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.
Hebrews 11:3
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
 
As it says in the verses in Isaiah it is imposable for God to create anything void and without form. So something had to happen.
That is not what that verse says at all. It says God's Word will not return void. That means it will accomplish what He wants it to.

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Isaiah 55 v 10-11 Just as rain and snow fall from heaven and do not return without watering the earth, making it bud and sprout, and providing seed to sow and food to eat, so My word that proceeds from My mouth will not return to Me empty, but it will accomplish what I please, and it will prosper where I send it.
 
Thankyou everyone for your replies. I have found another passage as someone posted to muddy up the water or maybe clear it up.
2nd Peter 3:1-8 This second Epistle I write unto you; in both that I stir up your pour mindsby way of remembrance; 2. That you may be mindful of the words spoken before by the holy prophets, and the comandment us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: 3. Knowing this first, that in the last days scoffers, walking after there own lusts, 4.Where is the promiseof His coming?
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Father's wish fro no one to perish, what Mercy for us all to still have, Amazing grace this really is
Thank you Father as I learn new daily in. continued trust to you only, thank you
 
Thankyou everyone for your replies. I have found another passage as someone posted to muddy up the water or maybe clear it up.
2nd Peter 3:1-8 This second Epistle I write unto you; in both that I stir up your pour mindsby way of remembrance; 2. That you may be mindful of the words spoken before by the holy prophets, and the comandment us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: 3. Knowing this first, that in the last days scoffers, walking after there own lusts, 4.Where is the promiseof His coming?
More to come

if you will read, to know God personally, God will reveal to you God's love and mercy for you and us all
John 13:34 is now a new command Jesus gives you and all people, Love all as God/Son has loved you, and still continues to do that daily to us all. Not seen by many, especially when troubles come on them too. Anger, fear and worry, tend to lead people, and causes more troubles.
take a read on the book of Job. Put your name in Job's place and see Job is everyone of us all, as Job personally, to, see to not deny God
Then see Jesus's belief all that way to that cross willingly for us all. Which we each are called a little differently in love and mercy also, yet we all go through troubles also, yet not as Jesus did for us to be saved in his risen Life, not saved in the dead life. Saved in the risen Life given this by Father as a gift. not to get earned, be earned or to be kept saved or else attitudes of the first birth flesh religious people, you play God and are not God Psalm 82.
Jesus, Yashuah, is risen where the new life for us to stand in is at, no matter what troubles come at us. Not easy, yet is truth, and so can we last, through and still, believe trust God all the way through? I do and many do. God knows who is who and what is what, Romans 8:15-16
As the devil states in Job 1, Job only believes God, because God has got a hedge around Job. Take that hedge away, and Job will deny God. God allowed that hedge to be taken away and Job stayed in belief to God anyways. Even told his own wife to curse God and die after she said to Job to curse God and die, Job would not. Neither will I, anyone else? Answer that one to God, not me thank you
 
Genesis 1:1&2

Verse 1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Verse 2. And the earth was without form and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.

My question is; Does the bible start off with a lie or do I just not understand some things? Give me a chance to point out some places that make it seem that way.



Isaiah 45 verse 18 for thus sayeth the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be in habitat: I am the Lord; And there is none else.

Isaiah 55:11 So shall My word that goeth forth out of My mouth: it shall not return unto me void but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Please help me understand. Thankyou
are you a born again Christian? if not, become 1 now. anyone's best chance at understanding the Bible is by being a born again Christian. too, born again Christians would never ask: "does the Bible start out with a lie"? ABSOLUTELY NOT, IS ALWAYS THE ANSWER!!!!! all Christians have the Holy Spirit living inside of them to help understand the Bible. & the O.T. was written in the language of Hebrew while the N.T. was written in Greek. nearly every time, when reading a passage, you have read before & after to realize the whole subject matter. have by your side a translation reference to also help you understand. the more you read, the more you'll understand. there's still millions of people trying to understand the Bible according to modern speech & language. & they end up quitting or never discovering the truth.
 
That is not what that verse says at all. It says God's Word will not return void. That means it will accomplish what He wants it to.

Isaiah55-10-11.png

Isaiah 55 v 10-11 Just as rain and snow fall from heaven and do not return without watering the earth, making it bud and sprout, and providing seed to sow and food to eat, so My word that proceeds from My mouth will not return to Me empty, but it will accomplish what I please, and it will prosper where I send it.

He may have been thinking of this verse: Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; he is God; that formed the earth and made it; he established it, he created it not a waste, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

Can't be sure though..
 
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He may have been thinking of this verse: Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; he is God; that formed the earth and made it; he established it, he created it not a waste, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

Can't be sure though..
Ah, he did say Isaiah 45:18, you are right. Still, I think his interpretation was off...
 
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Genesis 1:1&2

Verse 1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Verse 2. And the earth was without form and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.

My question is; Does the bible start off with a lie or do I just not understand some things? Give me a chance to point out some places that make it seem that way.



Isaiah 45 verse 18 for thus sayeth the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be in habitat: I am the Lord; And there is none else.

Isaiah 55:11 So shall My word that goeth forth out of My mouth: it shall not return unto me void but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Please help me understand. Thankyou

How about, God spoke it into existence. He only gives us what He wants us to understand/ know; anything else is speculation— and you maybe adding.

“then I saw all the work of God, that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun. For though a man labors to discover it, yet he will not find it; moreover, though a wise man attempts to know it, he will not be able to find it.”
‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭8‬:‭17‬ ‭NKJV‬‬
 
Genesis 1:1&2

Verse 1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Verse 2. And the earth was without form and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.

My question is; Does the bible start off with a lie or do I just not understand some things? Give me a chance to point out some places that make it seem that way.



Isaiah 45 verse 18 for thus sayeth the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be in habitat: I am the Lord; And there is none else.

Isaiah 55:11 So shall My word that goeth forth out of My mouth: it shall not return unto me void but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Please help me understand. Thankyou

The Bible reveals Who created the universe and why, and its description of how jibes very well with the current Big Bang theory.
 
Genesis 1:1&2

Verse 1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Verse 2. And the earth was without form and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.

This is the standard YEC, OEC controversy. Biblically there's evidence that BEFORE the "Adamic creation" the earth was already in existence, and the "Was without form (tohu) and void (Bohu)" should be translated BECAME without form and void. every other Biblical instance where the two terms appear indicate destruction as the direct result of God's Judgement.

Obviously I'm personalle an OEC believer, and as a consequence, I have no issues with the "Heavens and the Earth" being much older than the YEC paradigm demands.
 
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Genesis 1:1&2

Verse 1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Verse 2. And the earth was without form and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.

My question is; Does the bible start off with a lie or do I just not understand some things? Give me a chance to point out some places that make it seem that way.



Isaiah 45 verse 18 for thus sayeth the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be in habitat: I am the Lord; And there is none else.

Isaiah 55:11 So shall My word that goeth forth out of My mouth: it shall not return unto me void but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Please help me understand. Thankyou
God is the AUTHOR of the Bible but He used the ancient Hebrew Jewish people to write the Bible. If you had access to the Hebrew version, which is important because the Hebrew Language [Letters also equal to different mathematical values] it's much easier to understand Genesis 1:1-2.

In the Hebrew Language the Bible begins with God + the complete creation of Heavens and Earth. But Verse 2 shows an Earth after destruction. And then Verses 3 and onward describes God creating the Earth again.

But that leads to the question how did a completed Earth become destroyed so God had to recreate it again?

Post #4 kind of eludes to the Hebrew thinking. Read Jeremiah 4:23 onward.
 
Psalm 33:6
6 By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
Psalm 33:9
9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.
Hebrews 11:3
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

What makes up the word, “worldS?” He filled the heavens…..
 
God is the AUTHOR of the Bible but He used the ancient Hebrew Jewish people to write the Bible. If you had access to the Hebrew version, which is important because the Hebrew Language [Letters also equal to different mathematical values] it's much easier to understand Genesis 1:1-2.

In the Hebrew Language the Bible begins with God + the complete creation of Heavens and Earth. But Verse 2 shows an Earth after destruction. And then Verses 3 and onward describes God creating the Earth again.

But that leads to the question how did a completed Earth become destroyed so God had to recreate it again?

Post #4 kind of eludes to the Hebrew thinking. Read Jeremiah 4:23 onward.

How do you get destruction out of that??
 
The Bible reveals Who created the universe and why, and its description of how jibes very well with the current Big Bang theory.

Dear friend, I say this as graciously as I can: If one places stock in the "Big Bang Theory", then that one would have to deny "Creation" as outlined in the Bible. The two can in no way coexist.

The "Big Bang Theory" states, that the material for the Universe always existed. If this was true - then the material for the Universe is an uncaused cause. This is considered scientifically impossible and denies cause and effect. Science attempts to place the Universe where God belongs because science despises the idea of a Devine Being, (Romans 1). ONLY God has existed forever - He is the one and only uncaused cause. The Universe is the effect of the cause - which is God almighty.

Believers need to wakeup and realize that science is no friend of the Word of God. Science is a human intellectual attempt to undermine the TRUTH of God. If one is trying to make the Bible fit into what science wants us to believe are facts, then that one has already begun a journey down a wrong path.
 
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God is the AUTHOR of the Bible but He used the ancient Hebrew Jewish people to write the Bible. If you had access to the Hebrew version, which is important because the Hebrew Language [Letters also equal to different mathematical values] it's much easier to understand Genesis 1:1-2.

In the Hebrew Language the Bible begins with God + the complete creation of Heavens and Earth. But Verse 2 shows an Earth after destruction. And then Verses 3 and onward describes God creating the Earth again.

But that leads to the question how did a completed Earth become destroyed so God had to recreate it again?

Post #4 kind of eludes to the Hebrew thinking. Read Jeremiah 4:23 onward.
I don't know Hebrew. Are you saying that if I could read Hebrew, I would find that our English translations are all wrong, and that Genesis 1 really opens with God creating the heavens and the earth, then destroying them, then creating them again? Strange that none of the translators of the Hebrew and no commentary on Genesis I have seen even suggests such a thing.
 
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I don't know Hebrew. Are you saying that if I could read Hebrew, I would find that our English translations are all wrong, and that Genesis 1 really opens with God creating the heavens and the earth, then destroying them, then creating them again? Strange that none of the translators of the Hebrew and no commentary on Genesis I have seen even suggests such a thing.
I can tell you this that each Letter of the Hebrew Alphabet is also a Numerical Value. In English there's a Letter and then there are Numbers separate from one another. But the language God taught to the Hebrew People was not separate and the same. And when you apply both to the word meaning you have more options to what a single word can mean. And this knowledge wasn't understood centuries ago.