Glad you asked that word create is the Hebrew word Bara which means created out of nothing. You can look at the formless void as nothing or look at it as a progression from a formless void. Imo a formless void is nothing.
That is not what that verse says at all. It says God's Word will not return void. That means it will accomplish what He wants it to.As it says in the verses in Isaiah it is imposable for God to create anything void and without form. So something had to happen.
Thankyou everyone for your replies. I have found another passage as someone posted to muddy up the water or maybe clear it up.
2nd Peter 3:1-8 This second Epistle I write unto you; in both that I stir up your pour mindsby way of remembrance; 2. That you may be mindful of the words spoken before by the holy prophets, and the comandment us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: 3. Knowing this first, that in the last days scoffers, walking after there own lusts, 4.Where is the promiseof His coming?
More to come
Thankyou everyone for your replies. I have found another passage as someone posted to muddy up the water or maybe clear it up.
2nd Peter 3:1-8 This second Epistle I write unto you; in both that I stir up your pour mindsby way of remembrance; 2. That you may be mindful of the words spoken before by the holy prophets, and the comandment us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: 3. Knowing this first, that in the last days scoffers, walking after there own lusts, 4.Where is the promiseof His coming?
More to come
are you a born again Christian? if not, become 1 now. anyone's best chance at understanding the Bible is by being a born again Christian. too, born again Christians would never ask: "does the Bible start out with a lie"? ABSOLUTELY NOT, IS ALWAYS THE ANSWER!!!!! all Christians have the Holy Spirit living inside of them to help understand the Bible. & the O.T. was written in the language of Hebrew while the N.T. was written in Greek. nearly every time, when reading a passage, you have read before & after to realize the whole subject matter. have by your side a translation reference to also help you understand. the more you read, the more you'll understand. there's still millions of people trying to understand the Bible according to modern speech & language. & they end up quitting or never discovering the truth.Genesis 1:1&2
Verse 1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Verse 2. And the earth was without form and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
My question is; Does the bible start off with a lie or do I just not understand some things? Give me a chance to point out some places that make it seem that way.
Isaiah 45 verse 18 for thus sayeth the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be in habitat: I am the Lord; And there is none else.
Isaiah 55:11 So shall My word that goeth forth out of My mouth: it shall not return unto me void but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Please help me understand. Thankyou
That is not what that verse says at all. It says God's Word will not return void. That means it will accomplish what He wants it to.
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Isaiah 55 v 10-11 Just as rain and snow fall from heaven and do not return without watering the earth, making it bud and sprout, and providing seed to sow and food to eat, so My word that proceeds from My mouth will not return to Me empty, but it will accomplish what I please, and it will prosper where I send it.
Ah, he did say Isaiah 45:18, you are right. Still, I think his interpretation was off...He may have been thinking of this verse: Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; he is God; that formed the earth and made it; he established it, he created it not a waste, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
Can't be sure though..
Genesis 1:1&2
Verse 1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Verse 2. And the earth was without form and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
My question is; Does the bible start off with a lie or do I just not understand some things? Give me a chance to point out some places that make it seem that way.
Isaiah 45 verse 18 for thus sayeth the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be in habitat: I am the Lord; And there is none else.
Isaiah 55:11 So shall My word that goeth forth out of My mouth: it shall not return unto me void but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Please help me understand. Thankyou
Genesis 1:1&2
Verse 1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Verse 2. And the earth was without form and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
My question is; Does the bible start off with a lie or do I just not understand some things? Give me a chance to point out some places that make it seem that way.
Isaiah 45 verse 18 for thus sayeth the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be in habitat: I am the Lord; And there is none else.
Isaiah 55:11 So shall My word that goeth forth out of My mouth: it shall not return unto me void but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Please help me understand. Thankyou
The Bible reveals Who created the universe and why, and its description of how jibes very well with the current Big Bang theory.
Genesis 1:1&2
Verse 1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Verse 2. And the earth was without form and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
God is the AUTHOR of the Bible but He used the ancient Hebrew Jewish people to write the Bible. If you had access to the Hebrew version, which is important because the Hebrew Language [Letters also equal to different mathematical values] it's much easier to understand Genesis 1:1-2.Genesis 1:1&2
Verse 1. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Verse 2. And the earth was without form and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
My question is; Does the bible start off with a lie or do I just not understand some things? Give me a chance to point out some places that make it seem that way.
Isaiah 45 verse 18 for thus sayeth the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be in habitat: I am the Lord; And there is none else.
Isaiah 55:11 So shall My word that goeth forth out of My mouth: it shall not return unto me void but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Please help me understand. Thankyou
As it says in the verses in Isaiah it is imposable for God to create anything void and without form. So something had to happen.
Psalm 33:6
6 By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
Psalm 33:9
9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.
Hebrews 11:3
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
God is the AUTHOR of the Bible but He used the ancient Hebrew Jewish people to write the Bible. If you had access to the Hebrew version, which is important because the Hebrew Language [Letters also equal to different mathematical values] it's much easier to understand Genesis 1:1-2.
In the Hebrew Language the Bible begins with God + the complete creation of Heavens and Earth. But Verse 2 shows an Earth after destruction. And then Verses 3 and onward describes God creating the Earth again.
But that leads to the question how did a completed Earth become destroyed so God had to recreate it again?
Post #4 kind of eludes to the Hebrew thinking. Read Jeremiah 4:23 onward.
Precious friend @KeithAB, hope this will help for understanding:creation is a lie?...Please help me understand. Thank you
The Bible reveals Who created the universe and why, and its description of how jibes very well with the current Big Bang theory.
I don't know Hebrew. Are you saying that if I could read Hebrew, I would find that our English translations are all wrong, and that Genesis 1 really opens with God creating the heavens and the earth, then destroying them, then creating them again? Strange that none of the translators of the Hebrew and no commentary on Genesis I have seen even suggests such a thing.God is the AUTHOR of the Bible but He used the ancient Hebrew Jewish people to write the Bible. If you had access to the Hebrew version, which is important because the Hebrew Language [Letters also equal to different mathematical values] it's much easier to understand Genesis 1:1-2.
In the Hebrew Language the Bible begins with God + the complete creation of Heavens and Earth. But Verse 2 shows an Earth after destruction. And then Verses 3 and onward describes God creating the Earth again.
But that leads to the question how did a completed Earth become destroyed so God had to recreate it again?
Post #4 kind of eludes to the Hebrew thinking. Read Jeremiah 4:23 onward.
I can tell you this that each Letter of the Hebrew Alphabet is also a Numerical Value. In English there's a Letter and then there are Numbers separate from one another. But the language God taught to the Hebrew People was not separate and the same. And when you apply both to the word meaning you have more options to what a single word can mean. And this knowledge wasn't understood centuries ago.I don't know Hebrew. Are you saying that if I could read Hebrew, I would find that our English translations are all wrong, and that Genesis 1 really opens with God creating the heavens and the earth, then destroying them, then creating them again? Strange that none of the translators of the Hebrew and no commentary on Genesis I have seen even suggests such a thing.