PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE GET THE COVID SHOT.

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ZNP

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Ideas so good they have to be mandatory


This was published in April of 2020 -- may have seemed paranoid at the time, but not now.

Quarantine is the restriction of movement of sick people.

Tyranny is the restriction of movement of healthy people.
 
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ZNP said:
Ideas so good they have to be mandatory


This was published in April of 2020 -- may have seemed paranoid at the time, but not now.

Quarantine is the restriction of movement of sick people.

Tyranny is the restriction of movement of healthy people.
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Could be a coincidence...yeah, right! Lol
 
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ZNP said:
The VAERS database is what proves beyond any doubt how dangerous this vaccine is. It is far more dangerous than many vaccines which were rejected because they were too dangerous. Still they can hide from the public many of the cases, they can censor, delete, and attack people who speak up like Niki Minaj and Aaron Rodgers, however, what they can't hide is when someone just drops down like these athletes, politicians and other people who are in the public's eye. What I plan to do is add them to this thread whenever I see that so this thread becomes a journal. If I am correct in hypothesizing that with each shot the natural immunity gets less and less then we will see these cases more and more. Right now it is a sprinkling, but two months from now it should be more and six months from now it should be undeniable.
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I don't understand every aspect of the math on this but on another site I saw let's call them a pro-vaccine person.....they commented about the Vaers database. Of course you know many say there's no proven correlation between the vaccines and reported problems but this person stated OK let's just assume the numbers you see there are ALL genuine and everyone of them there is a correlation. (even you I'm guessing would not claim it would be EVERYONE) But even if you assume that YES all those people had the vaccine correlation with their problem. As large as that number is and when you compare it to just how many ARE vaccinated it still represents less than 1% of people vaccinated and not even that. That certainly doesn't mean that for the ones who have had problems we make light of them yes for them and their families it's everything I get that. We do have to however speak rightly about just how to interpret numbers on a site like VAERS if you don't you leave almost a perception you've got maybe even a 50/50 chance you'll have a problem from taking a vaccine and I don't think that's fair to do to people's minds.
 
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I don't understand every aspect of the math on this but on another site I saw let's call them a pro-vaccine person.....they commented about the Vaers database. Of course you know many say there's no proven correlation between the vaccines and reported problems but this person stated OK let's just assume the numbers you see there are ALL genuine and everyone of them there is a correlation. (even you I'm guessing would not claim it would be EVERYONE) But even if you assume that YES all those people had the vaccine correlation with their problem. As large as that number is and when you compare it to just how many ARE vaccinated it still represents less than 1% of people vaccinated and not even that. That certainly doesn't mean that for the ones who have had problems we make light of them yes for them and their families it's everything I get that. We do have to however speak rightly about just how to interpret numbers on a site like VAERS.
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Three comments.

1. Totally disingenuous to say "suppose they are all genuine and everyone of them there is a correlation". This vaccine is a experimental therefore you are required by law to record every adverse reaction and using statistical analysis you will determine if there is a correlation. To suggest someone is being generous in doing this is outrageous.

2. In the UK I saw that something like 5 kids or less in the entire country died from Covid, so why are you mandating a vaccine for kids when the vaccine is far more risky? You have to look at the "less than 1% risk" in comparison with the less than 0.01% risk from the disease.

3. To say that all the adverse reactions represent less than 1% is extremely misleading to the point of being an outright lie. We study vaccines for 12 years. Some adverse reactions may not show up immediately. Just because someone has not reported an adverse reaction in the first month doesn't tell you anything about the next 11 years and 11 months.
 
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ZNP said:
Three comments.

1. Totally disingenuous to say "suppose they are all genuine and everyone of them there is a correlation". This vaccine is a experimental therefore you are required by law to record every adverse reaction and using statistical analysis you will determine if there is a correlation. To suggest someone is being generous in doing this is outrageous.
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You're not getting it though. Reporting on Vaers isn't an absolute guarantee that there is correlation. Therefore ZNP I wouldn't be quick to claim others are being disingenuous. If you're pushing a narrative they are then I'd say that's what you're doing. So I'll just ask you. Are you claiming every report on that site is absolute proof there is a correlation?

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2. In the UK I saw that something like 5 kids or less in the entire country died from Covid, so why are you mandating a vaccine for kids when the vaccine is far more risky? You have to look at the "less than 1% risk" in comparison with the less than 0.01% risk from the disease.
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Sure. I don't agree with mandating a vaccine for the kids.

3. To say that all the adverse reactions represent less than 1% is extremely misleading to the point of being an outright lie.
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I wouldn't think so. If you take the number of people vaccinated and you take the numbers from VAERS and work out about what percent that is.

We study vaccines for 12 years. Some adverse reactions may not show up immediately. Just because someone has not reported an adverse reaction in the first month doesn't tell you anything about the next 11 years and 11 months.
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Yes I agree with you there. Years from now you potentially could see problems. Even with that when it comes to another subject drugs, things that have even been approved for years have been taken off of the market. Some have been on the market for 30-25 years. But you're not going to take everything off the market right even though things of the future might reveal different things?
 
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But you're not going to take everything off the market right even though things of the future might reveal different things?
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There are many examples of vaccines that were not approved because they were too dangerous and they had far fewer adverse reactions. What I don't understand is why this vaccine hasn't been rejected, much less why it would be mandated.

Mandating this vaccine is clearly completely unrelated to health but for some other reason.
 
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You're not getting it though. Reporting on Vaers isn't an absolute guarantee that there is correlation. Therefore ZNP I wouldn't be quick to claim others are being disingenuous. If you're pushing a narrative they are then I'd say that's what you're doing. So I'll just ask you. Are you claiming every report on that site is absolute proof there is a correlation?
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No, I do get it. What you don't get is that the burden of proof is reversed while the vaccine is experimental. They must prove that they are not correlated.

I am saying that every single adverse reaction must be recorded, it must be investigated, and it must be transparent.

I have heard many doctors testify that not every reaction is recorded because they are strongly discouraged from doing so and some of the reactions are even scrubbed or rejected from VAERS.

Asking me if they correlate is ridiculous, I don't have access to all the data nor am I evaluating it. They are required by law to evaluate that data.
 
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First it was Moderna...now Pfizer!
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Before that it as Astra-Zeneca. There should have been a BLANKET WORLDWIDE BAN on all bogus COVID vaccines. Instead of that there has been an evil campaign to keep up this farce. Big Pharma has paid off everyone.
 
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VAERS Analysis Proves Covid ‘Vaccines’ Are Extremely “Dangerous and Deadly”, NOT “Safe and Effective”!!!
Tuesday, November 16, 2021 6:33
New VAERS analysis reveals hundreds of serious adverse events that the CDC and FDA never told us about They missed hundreds of serious adverse events that are more elevated than myocarditis. A new VAERS analysis done by Albert Benavides blows the doors off the “safe and effective” narrative.

Steve Kirsch
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For reference, here is the bio-distribution graph that Bret showed in that podcast:
 
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