pledge in arabic

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The fact that it was recited in Arabic isn't as important of the FACT that allah IS NOT, never has been or NEVER will be the God of the Bible. allah has no son as muslims will tell you. The God of heaven and earth has a son, Jesus. allah has no son that came to earth as a baby, born of a virgin to save us from sin. If it offends...to bad... these two faiths are NOT intended to "combine" in the name of unity. There is only ONE God...and He isn't allah.
 
The fact that it was recited in Arabic isn't as important of the FACT that allah IS NOT, never has been or NEVER will be the God of the Bible. allah has no son as muslims will tell you. The God of heaven and earth has a son, Jesus. allah has no son that came to earth as a baby, born of a virgin to save us from sin. If it offends...to bad... these two faiths are NOT intended to "combine" in the name of unity. There is only ONE God...and He isn't allah.

just in response to the word allah as used historically by christians, ( not getting involved in the particular use of it in an american pledge, thats your business not mine)

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The Aramaic word for "God" in the language of Assyrian Christians is ʼĔlāhā, or Alaha. Arabic-speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews, use the word "Allah" to mean "God".[SUP][5][/SUP] The Christian Arabs of today have no other word for "God" than "Allah".[SUP][22][/SUP] (Even the Arabic-descended Maltese language of Malta, whose population is almost entirely Roman Catholic, uses Alla for "God".) Arab Christians, for example, use the terms Allāh al-ab (الله الأب) for God the Father, Allāh al-ibn (الله الابن) for God the Son, and Allāh al-rūḥ al-quds (الله الروح القدس) forGod the Holy Spirit. (See God in Christianity for the Christian concept of God.)
Arab Christians have used two forms of invocations that were affixed to the beginning of their written works. They adopted the Muslim bismillāh, and also created their own Trinitized bismillāh as early as the 8th century CE.[SUP][46][/SUP] The Muslim bismillāh reads: "In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful." The Trinitized bismillāh reads: "In the name of Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, One God." The Syriac, Latinand Greek invocations do not have the words "One God" at the end. This addition was made to emphasize the monotheistic aspect of Trinitian belief .
Some archaeological excavation quests have led to the discovery of ancient pre-Islamic inscriptions and tombs made by Arabic-speaking Christians in the ruins of a church at Umm el-Jimal in Northern Jordan, which contained references to Allah as the proper name of God, and some of the graves contained names such as "Abd Allah" which means "the servant/slave of Allah".[SUP][48][/SUP][SUP][49][/SUP][SUP][50][/SUP]
The name Allah can be found countless times in the reports and the lists of names of Christian martyrs in South Arabia, as reported by antique Syriac documents of the names of those martyrs from the era of the Himyarite and Aksumite kingdoms.[SUP][8][/SUP][SUP][51][/SUP]
A Christian leader named Abd Allah ibn Abu Bakr ibn Muhammad was martyred in Najran in 523 AD, as he had worn a ring that said "Allah is my lord".[SUP][8][/SUP][SUP][52][/SUP]
In an inscription of Christian martyrion dated back to 512 AD, references to Allah can be found in both Arabic and Aramaic, which called him "Allah" and "Alaha", and the inscription starts with the statement "By the Help of Allah".[SUP][8][/SUP][SUP][53][/SUP][SUP][54][/SUP]
In pre-Islamic Gospels, the name used for God was "Allah", as evidenced by some discovered Arabic versions of the New Testament written byArab Christians during the pre-Islamic era in Northern and Southern Arabia.[SUP][55][/SUP][SUP][56][/SUP][SUP][57][/SUP]
Pre-Islamic Arab Christians have been reported to have raised the battle cry "Ya La Ibad Allah" (O slaves of Allah) to invoke each other into battle.[SUP][58][/SUP]
"Allah" was also mentioned in pre-Islamic Christian poems by some Ghassanid and Tanukhid poets in Syria and Northern Arabia.[SUP][59][/SUP][SUP][60][/SUP][SUP][61]


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Nonetheless, the context in English is offensive to students of combat veterans, which was the case for most of the offended students at Pine Bush High School.

The name "Allah" has become the common reference for the false God of Islam, for non-Arabic speaking Muslims around the world. That makes your pleading on behalf of how Arab Christians use the name irrelevant.


It is not irrelevant because the pledge was being rendered in Arabic and the Arabic word for our English word "God" happens to be "Allah."

The reasoning that some people exclusively associate the term "Allah" with Islam is more an example of the ignorance of those people as opposed to a legitimate offense. Many people today are offended due to sensibilities they hold in ignorance. You have even demonstrated such sensibilities in the threads on Ukraine, one particular example being when you went off on a "cherry picking search for evidence" and ended up foolishly using something totally unrelated because you didn't even bother to check something as simple as dates.

http://christianchat.com/christian-...-accused-russia-mh17-downing.html#post1934827

You have clearly taken the same approach in this thread by asserting an opinion without having taken the time to really look into subject.




...the reference [God] is understood to be the Triune God of Christianity.
The use of the word "Allah" is not proper when referring to the God of the Bible, whether you agree or not.

Understood by whom exactly? There are more people in the world than a subset of people who exclusively associate the Arabic term "Allah" with Islam and the English term "God" with Christianity. I think it is pertinent to think outside the box of what can often be our own narrow perspective. To do otherwise is only to alienate people through our own ignorance.

The earliest written form of the Germanic word God (always, in this usage, capitalized[SUP][17][/SUP]) comes from the 6th-century Christian Codex Argenteus. The English word itself is derived from the Proto-Germanic * ǥuđan. The reconstructed Proto-Indo-European form * ǵhu-tó-m was likely based on the root * ǵhau(ə)-, which meant either "to call" or "to invoke".[SUP][18][/SUP] The Germanic words for God were originally neuter—applying to both genders—but during the process of the Christianization of the Germanic peoples from their indigenous Germanic paganism, the words became a masculine syntactic form.[SUP][19]

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In the English language, the capitalized form of God continues to represent a distinction between monotheistic "God" and "gods" in polytheism.[SUP][20][/SUP][SUP][21][/SUP] The English word God and its counterparts in other languages are normally used for any and all conceptions and, in spite of significant differences between religions, the term remains an English translation common to all. The same holds for Hebrew El, but in Judaism, God is also given a proper name, the tetragrammaton YHWH, in origin the name of an Edomite or Midianite deity, Yahweh. In many translations of the Bible, when the word LORD is in all capitals, it signifies that the word represents the tetragrammaton.[SUP][22][/SUP] Allāh (Arabic: الله‎) is the Arabic term with no plural used by Muslims and Arabic speaking Christians and Jews meaning "The God" (with a capital G), while "ʾilāh" (Arabic: إله‎) is the term used for a deity or a god in general.[SUP][23][/SUP][SUP][24][/SUP][SUP][25][/SUP] God may also be given a proper name in monotheistic currents of Hinduism which emphasize the personal nature of God, with early references to his name as Krishna-Vasudeva in Bhagavata or later Vishnu and Hari.[SUP][26][/SUP]
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I would have loved to read the Christian students walked out of the classroom when this started.
Personally, I think this was a test to see what the parent outcry would be after the fact.
 
A question I would ask is should followers of Jesus Christ be pledging their allegiance to a flag and a republic for which it is supposed to stand?


If the answer is yes to such a question then I would ask where exactly does this particular Republic exist?

I personally think it only possibly exists in the minds of certain idealists.The actual United States of America that we see today, appears to me, to be a divided public relations and statute run, hedonistic, blood thirsty, geographic regional institution which serves the interests of certain political and economic elites. The people who live there appear to be just along for the ride as they participate in the hypocrisy and corruption.

I don't see much of a Constitutional Republic principled on limited powers delegated to an elected central authority for the express purpose of protecting live, liberty and property.

Thus, in this context, talk of a "Pledge of Allegience" seems to be one the greatest of ironies.
 
I'm not quite as dogmatic (and perhaps judgmental ?) as my respected compatriot above ..... BUT
I do wonder,
if such a pledge were articulated in a native American language (or in an Australian aboriginal dialect for that matter),
would anybody be concerned ?
If not, what's the prob with Arabic if the person or group is sincere and genuinely committed to the meaning ?

Actually, this humble Aussie wonders if the 'pledge' is not somewhat discriminatory.
" I pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."

How about atheists and agnostics etc ? Can they not be loyal, patriotic, contributing and worthy citizens ?
 
If they're atheists mention of God in the pledge doesn't matter to them at all. While the prior language afforded them the opportunity to demonstrate worthy citizenship by pledging their allegiance to the nation and liberty for which this flag stands as a beacon, a symbol, of just that.

I'm not quite as dogmatic (and perhaps judgmental ?) as my respected compatriot above ..... BUT
I do wonder,
if such a pledge were articulated in a native American language (or in an Australian aboriginal dialect for that matter),
would anybody be concerned ?
If not, what's the prob with Arabic if the person or group is sincere and genuinely committed to the meaning ?

Actually, this humble Aussie wonders if the 'pledge' is not somewhat discriminatory.
" I pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."

How about atheists and agnostics etc ? Can they not be loyal, patriotic, contributing and worthy citizens ?
 
Hmm here it would have to be said in carrier as this is the first people's language of this region. Just throwing something out there for us English speaking folk to mull over.

With this being said I have no interest in seeing the God of Abraham be misrepresented as Allah.
 
As me old mate Bill (Shakespeare) said ...
"a rose by any other name shall stink as sweet".

Or something like that.
 
As me old mate Bill (Shakespeare) said ...
"a rose by any other name shall stink as sweet".


Ozzie mocking the Pledge of Allegiance peeps!
MURICA! MURICA! :p


[btw since when do australians quote shakspeare?] :confused:
 
I'm not quite as dogmatic (and perhaps judgmental ?) as my respected compatriot above ..... BUT
I do wonder,
if such a pledge were articulated in a native American language (or in an Australian aboriginal dialect for that matter),
would anybody be concerned ?
If not, what's the prob with Arabic if the person or group is sincere and genuinely committed to the meaning ?

Actually, this humble Aussie wonders if the 'pledge' is not somewhat discriminatory.
" I pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all."

How about atheists and agnostics etc ? Can they not be loyal, patriotic, contributing and worthy citizens ?

Have you considered that we in the US are at war with radical Islamic extremists? And that a few Islamic Nations have vowed to wipe the US off the face of the earth? Have you considered the children in that school who have lost a parent in that war? Or the children who had a parent come home with their bodies mangled from that war? Or the children who have a parent still fighting in that war? Or, do they not count, as long as we are politically correct and not offend the Islamic folks?

Have you considered the hundreds, or even thousands of LANGUAGES they COULD have chose to have the Pledge recited in, but still they chose what they did? Coincidence? I think not. Just one more example of the liberals pushing their Politically correct ideology on our kids and our Nation.
 
If they're atheists, mention of God in the pledge doesn't matter to them at all. .......
REALLY !?
Says who ? If I were an atheist (and who knows, I might be) "one nation UNDER GOD" would offend me greatly.
If I had no belief in any god, surely those words in the "pledge" would make the thing meaningless for me. Hypocrisy even.
And are the words really necessary ?
Don't you think that many thousands of non-believers have proven their allegiance with their LIVES over the centuries ?
 
Ozzie mocking the Pledge of Allegiance peeps!
MURICA! MURICA! :p
[btw since when do australians quote shakspeare?] :confused:
No mockery intended, Jack.
Just reckon the Jewish, Christian or Muslim 'God of Abraham' is the same real or mythical being - by whatever name.

And, not only do many Aussies cite Shakespeare ...... we can also spell words like cheque, tyre, colour, aluminium and even 'arse' correctly ! :D
 
.......... a few Islamic Nations have vowed to wipe the US off the face of the earth?
Name ONE.
Not Al Qaeda or Isis or Hamas etc etc but "nations".

As for innocent civilian casualties, how many Muslim women, children, babies, old folk and non-combatants do you reckon have been maimed or slaughtered in their own countries by Western forces over recent decades ?
People who posed no threat whatsoever to the USA or its allies (including Australia).

"Collateral damage" ? In those numbers, they could only be deemed 'collateral' if one really believes that one American life is worth more than the lives of many Iraqi children as the bombs rained down on suburban Baghdad.
 
No mockery intended, Jack.
Just reckon the Jewish, Christian or Muslim 'God of Abraham' is the same real or mythical being - by whatever name.

And, not only do many Aussies cite Shakespeare ...... we can also spell words like cheque, tyre, colour, aluminium and even 'arse' correctly ! :D

Could be, could be...
meaning that "mythical being" exists apart from religion, and could also be called Brahma, Manitou or whatever?

I just thought you were refering to the Pledge with the Shakespeare quote, and understood it in that context, like: "the Pledge stinks, whatever language is used." But apparently I must have misunderstood you.
 
Name ONE.
Not Al Qaeda or Isis or Hamas etc etc but "nations".

As for innocent civilian casualties, how many Muslim women, children, babies, old folk and non-combatants do you reckon have been maimed or slaughtered in their own countries by Western forces over recent decades ?
People who posed no threat whatsoever to the USA or its allies (including Australia).

"Collateral damage" ? In those numbers, they could only be deemed 'collateral' if one really believes that one American life is worth more than the lives of many Iraqi children as the bombs rained down on suburban Baghdad.

Iran.............pre 2000, Iraq.......and a couple of others ............When the radical Islamic jihadists control/run the government, they ARE the nation.........but, then, you wouldn't see that.........s'ok...........who cares what you see

BTW your comment about innocent civilians is irrelevant to the thread. Simply because WE are NOT HAVING THEIR children say THEIR PLEDGE IN ENGLISH............try and stay up with the discussion if at all possible.
 
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Allah.......it is not that Allah is a generic name for God, but rather the invoked name of a god of a religion that contains elements .......


100% Accurate. Even 110% Accurate.

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One more time, please

"it is not that Allah is a generic name for God, but rather the invoked name of a god of a religion that contains elements that would rather..."
 
The reasoning that some people exclusively associate the term "Allah" with Islam is more an example of the ignorance of those people as opposed to a legitimate offense.
The Arabic word al ilāh -- literally, "the god" -- is the name adopted for the "god" of Islam, not just by Arabic-speaking peoples, but by Muslims everywhere. So it is your statement here that represents true ignorance.