I could be wrong, but doesn't "allah" in Arabic just mean God? I think it's the same for Christians as it is for Jews or Muslims. The Muslims just have a completely different concept of who that God is.
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I could be wrong, but doesn't "allah" in Arabic just mean God? I think it's the same for Christians as it is for Jews or Muslims. The Muslims just have a completely different concept of who that God is.
With the aid of modern technology, you should have NO trouble citing a direct quote from the leader of either country - or even official government policy from either country - which makes such a threat.
Remember now, not just some ratbag fringe group - a nation as you claimed.
All of which is slightly irrelevant.
You seem to be suggesting that ALL one-billion-plus Muslims have this evil intent ?
Bit like saying that all Yanks have the same ideology as the KKK.
Newsflash - thee are millions of 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation Muslims in the USA .... teachers, nurses, lawyers, police, servicemen and women etc etc - many who have lost family members in your endless wars.
I would have thought you would welcome a pledge of allegiance even more so from these innocent folk ... even if it were sworn in Swahili invoking whatever god by whatever name they favoured !?
Surely you are joking or playing a prank.
Whether Muslims use the word Allah or not is irrelevant to the issue of Arabic Christians using the term also. The Arabic language ONLY has the term "Allah" for God.
To "excusively" associate the term "Allah" with Islam is indeed a position of ignorance. Arabic speaking Christians are not Muslims.
The Christians who call God 'Allah' - Telegraph
Is it hard to admit the truth that there are Arabic speaking people who use the term "Allah" for "God" who are not Muslims?
I do not understand why one would be so stubborn in resisting such a simple truth.
The word "Allah" in Arabic has the same linguistic root as the Aramaic "AaLaH," which is "Elohim" in the Hebrew.
Is it not foolish to get one's undies all tied up in a knot over the term "Allah" being used for God in the Pledge of Allegience rendered in Arabic? I certainly think so.
The issue is not what language we speak, rather the issue is whether we KNOW God and love out of a pure heart. Names are just outward descriptions of a very tangible reality.
Is it not foolish to get one's undies all tied up in a knot over the term "Allah" being used for God in the Pledge of Allegience rendered in Arabic? I certainly think so.
The issue is not what language we speak, rather the issue is whether we KNOW God and love out of a pure heart. Names are just outward descriptions of a very tangible reality.
Of course it's stoopid, Skin.
Only Islamophobes or xenophobes would fall into the trap. Folk whom one might describe as 'radical' or 'fundamentalist'
Oh, hang on, isn't that what they accuse all Muslims of being ?
Now, the bit I don't agree with you about ....
"The issue" in a pledge of allegiance is ..... wait for it .... allegiance !
Surely it is an expression of loyalty to one's country ? A commitment.
What language is spoken or what a person calls their god is irrelevant
But I guess that is too difficult for those who believe they are infallible and that only their own beliefs have value.
Frankly, it is just that attitude which defies the spirit of the pledge and diminishes individual freedom.
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Many people ought read "Propaganda" by Edward Bernays. It was Bernays who first coined the tern "Public Relations" and and he wrote how the opinions of the majority of people are wrought through the science of public manipulation.
The whole "War on Terror" is clearly such a ruse designed to unify people against a common enemy and thus draw attention away from what is really taking place in the world.
When the previous President of Iran made the infamous statement of "wipe Israel off the map," the context was actually about removing the influence of Political Zionism from the region we know as Israel in the Middle East. It had nothing to do with literally nuking Israel, yet that did not stop the Western media from running with such a misrepresentation.
Anyone can look these things up if they choose to do so.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/30/weekinreview/30iran.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&
Yet few do. Many would rather just parrot the information they have been spoon fed which "feels right" to them.
One cannot understand Israel without understanding the Anglo-American banking influence which lies at the root of Israel and how Israel is a very powerful means for the such an influence to be directly involved in Middle Eastern affairs.
A nation like Iran, which is not Arabic, is very averse to being dominated by what they perceive as corrupt and immoral western oligarchs. That is the perspective they hold and it is not without merit. I am not saying they are knights in shining armour or that they are the good guys, I am just saying that things are not black and white in this world. Just like in the Donbass region of Ukraine, in Iran we have people whom are opposed to the world dominance of the western banking establishment, especially in their region.
Many people in the Arabic world know full well that the western elites use the United States as their battering ram and they also know full well that Israel is a key to the Middle East. The resistance to such takes many forms, terrorism, conventional warfare, politics, economics. One ought not be surprised at what we see.
We here in the West are fed a constant diet of "we are the good guys and they are the bad guys" when the truth is that EVERYONE is the bad guy and that is why Jesus Christ did not start a political or nationalist movement. Jesus Christ preached repentance and faith and called people to STOP PLAYING THE GAME and instead put up their treasures in heaven.
The United States "Pledge of Allegience" is a pledge to a NATION and is clearly an antichrist pledge. There is no "right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happeniness" in the Bible. There is simply the right to pursue righteousness in loving God and our neighbour. Whether we live or die, own property, or experience happiness are inconsequential. We are to have JOY and PEACE in our hearts. We are merely travelers passing through this world and we ought to be shining lights in contrast to the wickedness exhibited on ALL SIDES of worldly conflicts.
It is so sad that so many people who profess to be followers of Jesus actually follow the rudiments of Babylon and yet cannot even see it.
Look in this thread at how some are offended at the word "Allah" when the word Jesus Himself used for God is CLOSER to what the Arabs call God than to what us English speaks use. We ought to be ashamed of our ignorance.
I want Arabic people to repent and forsake their sins, to be reconciled to God through Jesus Christ. Even the murderers of ISIS. I don't want to see their towns and cities bombed. I don't want to see more men, women and children get maimed and destroyed via my tax dollars (which I believe is actually a misnomer because consolidated revenue serves debt and further debt issuance funds the wars, but that is another story).
Fear - Islam works by labeling everything Islamic. It creates a sense of conquering the unstoppable. The truth is Islam is purely a propoganda machine, set to create this fear as a self fulfilling prophecy.
So saying the pledge of allegiance is any language does not change its meaning but it shows how powerful its message is when people fear or get offended. They will then say, you are offended because you know it is true, rather than it is a legitimate fear when people say "Islam stinks" nutters say "you should die", people do get defensive.
But the truth is Islam causes most harm to its own believers and they are trapped from birth on pain of death to stay within the faith. In their world their is little reality or truth, only loyalty to the cause.
But the weakness of their faith is their behaviour and hypocracy, while claiming they are the best of peoples etc.
So bad is this behaviour, they ban other muslims from saying anything negative about each other.....
So saying the pledge of allegiance is any language does not change its meaning but it shows how powerful its message is when people fear or get offended. They will then say, you are offended because you know it is true, rather than it is a legitimate fear when people say "Islam stinks" nutters say "you should die", people do get defensive.
But the truth is Islam causes most harm to its own believers and they are trapped from birth on pain of death to stay within the faith. In their world their is little reality or truth, only loyalty to the cause.
But the weakness of their faith is their behaviour and hypocracy, while claiming they are the best of peoples etc.
So bad is this behaviour, they ban other muslims from saying anything negative about each other.....
Here is something that one will not find being referenced much in the West.
[video=youtube;nGTYdNG0WZw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGTYdNG0WZw[/video]
Such a speech does not fit the Western narrative.
Iran is a real independent nation which has achieved a high level of development and such a thing does not fit in with the geopolitical agenda of the western banking elites.
http://www.carrollquigley.net/pdf/Tragedy_and_Hope.pdf
Iran so far has refused to submit themselves to the control of the Western banking system and due to this the West lacks much leverage over their internal policies. It therefore makes sense to demonise Iran as a threat in order to legitimise action which circumvents their independence.
Iran Today - Iran's Banking System
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj0XjTHN1wQ
Any understanding of the Middle East cannot be wrought via being ignorant of the larger context of geopolitics and how Iran and the Middle East fit into that.
[video=youtube;nGTYdNG0WZw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGTYdNG0WZw[/video]
Such a speech does not fit the Western narrative.
Iran is a real independent nation which has achieved a high level of development and such a thing does not fit in with the geopolitical agenda of the western banking elites.
Tragedy and Hope, Carrol Quigley, pg 324-325
http://www.carrollquigley.net/pdf/Tragedy_and_Hope.pdf
Iran so far has refused to submit themselves to the control of the Western banking system and due to this the West lacks much leverage over their internal policies. It therefore makes sense to demonise Iran as a threat in order to legitimise action which circumvents their independence.
Iran Today - Iran's Banking System
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj0XjTHN1wQ
Any understanding of the Middle East cannot be wrought via being ignorant of the larger context of geopolitics and how Iran and the Middle East fit into that.
Iran is crazy, a dictatorship by religious clerics, who claim Islam has no heirarchy and is open between the believer and God, unless ofcourse you disagree with the heirarchy which means in actual terms blasphemy, imprisonment or death.
Iran has pledged to destroy Israel, supports terrorist organisations who have murdered and butchered there way through Lebannon. Iran with a nuclear bomb is insanity. It is with good reason the whole world community does not want this.
The best answer they give is its a illuminati plot to overthrow and enslave the world, which Iran is valiantly fighting.
This kind of insanity is why Iran has been left out of the world community, because it does not deal with how it is run, but wishes to paint those outside its borders as evil and the enemy. This is why there was a revolution in Iran which was quashed because this way of governing is neither sane or works. But that does not matter to them, because the word Islam shia style is all that matters and possibly the Mehdi which some think creating a world war will bring quicker.
Iran has pledged to destroy Israel, supports terrorist organisations who have murdered and butchered there way through Lebannon. Iran with a nuclear bomb is insanity. It is with good reason the whole world community does not want this.
The best answer they give is its a illuminati plot to overthrow and enslave the world, which Iran is valiantly fighting.
This kind of insanity is why Iran has been left out of the world community, because it does not deal with how it is run, but wishes to paint those outside its borders as evil and the enemy. This is why there was a revolution in Iran which was quashed because this way of governing is neither sane or works. But that does not matter to them, because the word Islam shia style is all that matters and possibly the Mehdi which some think creating a world war will bring quicker.
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Wrong on all but the last count, and it is irrelevant.
1. The Aramaic word for "God" is hhla ('elahh), and is used only in late Hebrew writings (Ezra 5:1, 11; 6:14; 7:12, 19, 21, 23; Daniel 2:18, 23, 28, 37, 44f, 47; 3:15, 28f; 6:8, 13 ), no where in the New Testament. Therefore, Jesus couldn't have used the word.
2. I don't know what you're trying to pull with that crap you quote within your post, but it makes the claim the word you say Jesus used is "word number 904." Whose numbering system? Strong's number 904 is !tgb (Bigthan), the name of a eunuch in king Ahasuerus' (Xerxes) court.
3. We don't know what word Jesus used to reference God the Father because the New Testament was written in Greek. Jesus is not quoted in Aramaic, except in the gospel of the tax collector.
Matthew 27, NASB
46 About the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, "ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?" that is, "MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?"
46 About the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, "ELI, ELI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?" that is, "MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?"
The word throughout the rest of the New Testament is the Greek qeoß (Theos). Most likely, the word used by Jesus in speak Aramaic was the old Hebrew word ~yhla ('elohym).
Is not "world community" a propagandist term? Is Iran really crazy?
Is not China, North Korea, Israek, Great Britain, USA, Russia, India and Pakistan with nukes not already insanity?
Do not western governments support "family planning" (ie. infant in womb murder) in Africa and their own countries? Have not western governments backed "butchery and murder" when it has served their overall agenda?
There is no "we are the good guys" and "they are the bad guys" in all this. We (our nations) are ALL the bad guys and it will remain so because in general people refuse to repent of their sins and instead choose to play the blame game.
Think for a moment how many in Iran view the United States. They view the United States as the epitome of hypocrisy, a nation which preaches "freedom and democracy" and "peace and security" and yet in reality a nation which supports the murder of infants, a nation which supports tryants when it suits them and condemns them when it doesn't. A nation which bullies other nations with its dollar hegemony and a nation which espouses that it knows what is best for everyone else.
Look at this attitude...
[video=youtube;azP2FOpbEYE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azP2FOpbEYE[/video]
That is the same attitude that Zbigniew Brzezinski espouses in his book "The Grand Chessboard" and in many of the speeches he has given over the years.
Do you know who Zbigniew Brzezinski is? He is the main political advisor to President Obama and he has a long history of being an administrative advisor.
Is it any wonder that there are many people in the Middle East and elsewhere who view the U.S. as the Great Satan?
I don't think so. Yet it is so easy to pretend that "they are the bad guys" and "we are the good guys." It is all a lie.
It is rebellious humanity which is the bad guy and that bad guy is broken up into factions which war in various means. The only solution is in contending for righteousness, not for "isms" or "nations." The task of the genuine Christian is to preach the Gospel by calling people to a repentance from sin and being reconciled to God through Jesus Christ. Everything else is vanity which is why I often like to point out the hypocrisy of the game which people play.
This sort of statement is a misrepresentation. There actually is an Illuminati but it is not what most people think it is. The Illuminati has plotted to overthrow the institutions of the world and bring it into order under their own. Such things have been extensively written about both in occult, historical, economic and political literature. It is no accident that occult symbolism is used extensively in this world.
Iran is simply looking out for their own interests from their own perspective. It is just as corrupt as any other country.
Imagine a world where there was no western hypocrisy. A world where there was no fraudulent debt based monetary system necessitating continuing growth in order to maintain perpetually compounding interest payment. A world where people actually loved one another and did not seek to get one over their brother in selfishness. Now that might be a world which Iran could not legitimately present as "evil" but alas such is not the case is it?
No. Instead we have a conflict of world views, a conflict of agendas. The dominant agenda, backed by the structure empowered by the global monetary unit and the banking system from which it was born, holds the majority of information outlets within its sway. It is no wonder that something like "world opinion" can be mobilised to support the dominant agenda via the painting of minorities in opposition as evil. How sad.
Psa 24:1 A Psalm of David. The earth is the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.
Psa 24:2 For he hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods.
Psa 24:3 Who shall ascend into the hill of the LORD? or who shall stand in his holy place?
Psa 24:4 He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully.
Psa 24:5 He shall receive the blessing from the LORD, and righteousness from the God of his salvation.
Psa 12:1 To the chief Musician upon Sheminith, A Psalm of David. Help, LORD; for the godly man ceaseth; for the faithful fail from among the children of men.
Psa 12:2 They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak.
Psa 12:3 The LORD shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things:
Psa 12:4 Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us?
Psa 12:5 For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the LORD; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him.
Psa 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Psa 12:7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
Psa 12:8 The wicked walk on every side, when the vilest men are exalted.
Vigilante Warrior,
I didn't say that is the word Jesus used. I stated that the Arabic "Allah" and the Aramaic "AaLaH" have the same root in "Elohim." I also stated that Jesus spoke Aramaic which is true. I don't know what word Jesus used because I was not there, He could have mixed in other languages and even utilised a local dialect. Who knows and it doesn't even matter. The fact is that "Allah" IS NOT exclusive to Islam. That is a verifiable fact.
Somehow, yet again, you completely miss the point of what I posted. Completely.
Here is your earlier statement...
Why isn't it proper for an Arabic speaking person to use the word "Allah" ? What else do you expect them to do? Speak English or something? That statement of yours is foolishness.
The point I was making is that it ought not matter the term one uses for "God" in their respective language. Words are mere representations of abstract and tangible concepts which we utilise to communicate to communicate with others as well as order out own thinking.
I am sure you don't support the likes of movements like this...
Sacred Name Movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
...if not then why espouse the same kind of logic as it relates to the Arabic use of the term "Allah"?
There is NOTHING WRONG with an Arabic speaking person using the word "Allah" for God because in Arabic the word for "God" is "Allah." The claim that one ought not use the term because one EXCLUSIVELY associates the term with the false god of Islam demonstrates the utter ignorance of the one who does so.
I actually think you intentionally ignore the clear points I have made because a rebuttal of any form gives you some form of comfort. That would explain why in one of the Ukraine threads you just "had to oppose" what I posted simply because I posted it, which is why you grabbed the first thing you found, without actually establishing its factual basis, and served it up to prove me in error.
We are all in error in some regard and yet it is through being honest with ourselves that we can receive correction and thus learn and grow.
I didn't say that is the word Jesus used. I stated that the Arabic "Allah" and the Aramaic "AaLaH" have the same root in "Elohim." I also stated that Jesus spoke Aramaic which is true. I don't know what word Jesus used because I was not there, He could have mixed in other languages and even utilised a local dialect. Who knows and it doesn't even matter. The fact is that "Allah" IS NOT exclusive to Islam. That is a verifiable fact.
Somehow, yet again, you completely miss the point of what I posted. Completely.
Here is your earlier statement...
Why isn't it proper for an Arabic speaking person to use the word "Allah" ? What else do you expect them to do? Speak English or something? That statement of yours is foolishness.
The point I was making is that it ought not matter the term one uses for "God" in their respective language. Words are mere representations of abstract and tangible concepts which we utilise to communicate to communicate with others as well as order out own thinking.
I am sure you don't support the likes of movements like this...
Sacred Name Movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
...if not then why espouse the same kind of logic as it relates to the Arabic use of the term "Allah"?
There is NOTHING WRONG with an Arabic speaking person using the word "Allah" for God because in Arabic the word for "God" is "Allah." The claim that one ought not use the term because one EXCLUSIVELY associates the term with the false god of Islam demonstrates the utter ignorance of the one who does so.
I actually think you intentionally ignore the clear points I have made because a rebuttal of any form gives you some form of comfort. That would explain why in one of the Ukraine threads you just "had to oppose" what I posted simply because I posted it, which is why you grabbed the first thing you found, without actually establishing its factual basis, and served it up to prove me in error.
We are all in error in some regard and yet it is through being honest with ourselves that we can receive correction and thus learn and grow.
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Viligant_Warrior
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Regardless of how you want to claim it, the word "allah" does not appear in the Bible, or in the Hebrew language. Period. End of story.
Yet again, for probably the sixth time I've said it on this thread, "Allah" is the preferred name for the god of Islam, both inside and outside the Arab-speaking world. Therefore, using the word to identify the God of the Bible identifies the God of the Bible with the demon masquerading as a "god" to the Muslim. That is an affront to God, and an affront to all who belong to Him.
That's the last time I'm gonna say it. Y'all can agree or not, no skin off my nose -- no pun intended.
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MyLighthouse
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Allah is just God in Arabic, a good literal translation as you may can see from the two other Semitic languages (Elah in Aramaic, and Eloah in Hebrew, which looks and sounds very close). The word we use "God" isn't really a good translation (or a translation at all) to be honest and should be more bothersome than Allah. Yes, I am a language buff
And the school was saying the pledge in many languages that week. I can see why it bothered people, but really how does one feel about the pledge being said in Spanish, French, Cherokee, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Hindi, Hebrew...? It's a language and represents one of many people, Americans, in our country in our country. I think it would be pretty cool to have that done at a school!
And the school was saying the pledge in many languages that week. I can see why it bothered people, but really how does one feel about the pledge being said in Spanish, French, Cherokee, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Hindi, Hebrew...? It's a language and represents one of many people, Americans, in our country in our country. I think it would be pretty cool to have that done at a school!
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And the school was saying the pledge in many languages that week. I can see why it bothered people, but really how does one feel about the pledge being said in Spanish, French, Cherokee, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Hindi, Hebrew...? It's a language and represents one of many people, Americans, in our country in our country. I think it would be pretty cool to have that done at a school!
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I looked for this, and I can't find where they said the Pledge in any other language.......just saying. But that isn't the point. The Pledge should be recited in English when it is presented to the entire student body.
And the school was saying the pledge in many languages that week. I can see why it bothered people, but really how does one feel about the pledge being said in Spanish, French, Cherokee, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Hindi, Hebrew...? It's a language and represents one of many people, Americans, in our country in our country. I think it would be pretty cool to have that done at a school!
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I looked for this, and I can't find where they said the Pledge in any other language.......just saying. But that isn't the point. The Pledge should be recited in English when it is presented to the entire student body.
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Too bad your not very good at it, no offense.Allah is just God in Arabic, a good literal translation as you may can see from the two other Semitic languages (Elah in Aramaic, and Eloah in Hebrew, which looks and sounds very close). The word we use "God" isn't really a good translation (or a translation at all) to be honest and should be more bothersome than Allah. Yes, I am a language buff
In Aramaic, it is laiiun ('eli), in Hebrew, la ('el). There is no word even close to "Allah" in either language, though for sound, the previously mentioned hhla ('elahh), comes closest, but it was only used biblically in Ezra and Daniel, also as previously mentioned.
There is a word phonetically pronounced 'alawhn. It means "oak."
As to our English word "God," it is Germanic in origin, the word being "Gott." It was originated by Christians to reference the biblical God of the universe. And you said you're a language buff??
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MyLighthouse
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I heard on a news report that they did....but we all know how faulty the news can be
I heard on a news report that they did....but we all know how faulty the news can be
As I understood it, they PLANNED to do something like this as part of their Foreign Language classes........but they started with Arabic.............and things just didn't go as they planned.............
Had they simply limited this exercise to the Foreign Language classes, it would probably not have caused such a stink.
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kaylagrl
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God and Allah are not the same in English.They are not interchangeable.They are two different entities. Gods name should be used, Allah denotes something entirely different in this country.