poll can what go into a man or woman defile a man or woman ?

[de-emerald]

That is not what John said: you need to do a little more study on John 1 and John 8

You are speaking of other scriptures which are true. We are looking at John 1 and John 8

This is a diversion tactic for i know and embrace the scriptures of "God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked"

These and others do not change what the Lord said in John 1 and John 8

John 1 refers directly to Genesis ch1 and the Garden

Jumpin to ezikiel 18 is also another distraction but lets go there for many scriptures can distract you.

A False Proverb Refuted
18 The word of the Lord came to me again, saying, 2 “What do you mean when you use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying:

‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes,
And the children’s teeth are set on edge’?

3 “As I live,” says the Lord God, “you shall no longer use this proverb in Israel.

The lord spoke to the lost people of isreal believing a lie

4 “Behold, all souls are Mine;
The soul of the father
As well as the soul of the son is Mine;
The soul who sins shall die.

Remember the scripture that the soul does not leave the body until death the soul that is sinning here is the one that has left the body the devil and his devils

5 But if a man is just
And does what is lawful and right;
6 If he has not eaten [a]on the mountains,
Nor lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel,
Nor defiled his neighbor’s wife,
Nor approached a woman during her impurity;
7 If he has not oppressed anyone,
But has restored to the debtor his pledge;
Has robbed no one by violence,
But has given his bread to the hungry
And covered the naked with clothing;
8 If he has not [b]exacted usury
Nor taken any increase,
But has withdrawn his hand from iniquity
And executed true [c]judgment between man and man;
9 If he has walked in My statutes
And kept My judgments faithfully—
He is just;
He shall surely live!”
Says the Lord God.

in other words stop listening to the soul that sins

10 “If he begets a son who is a robber
Or a shedder of blood,
Who does any of these things
11 And does none of those duties,
But has eaten [d]on the mountains
Or defiled his neighbor’s wife;
12 If he has oppressed the poor and needy,
Robbed by violence,
Not restored the pledge,
Lifted his eyes to the idols,
Or committed abomination;
13 If he has exacted usury
Or taken increase—
Shall he then live?
He shall not live!
If he has done any of these abominations,
He shall surely die;
His blood shall be upon him.

in other words stop listening to the soul that sins

14 “If, however, he begets a son
Who sees all the sins which his father has done,
And considers but does not do likewise;
15 Who has not eaten [e]on the mountains,
Nor lifted his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel,
Nor defiled his neighbor’s wife;
16 Has not oppressed anyone,
Nor withheld a pledge,
Nor robbed by violence,
But has given his bread to the hungry
And covered the naked with clothing;
17 Who has withdrawn his hand from [f]the poor
And not received usury or increase,
But has executed My judgments
And walked in My statutes—
He shall not die for the iniquity of his father;
He shall surely live!

in other words listen to me God

18 “As for his father, the devil the soul that sins
Because he cruelly oppressed,
Robbed his brother by violence,
And did what is not good among his people,
Behold, he shall die for his iniquity.

 

[DavidTree]

Jumpin to ezikiel 18 is also another distraction but lets go there for many scriptures can distract you.

A False Proverb Refuted
18 The word of the Lord came to me again, saying, 2 “What do you mean when you use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying:

‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes,
And the children’s teeth are set on edge’?

3 “As I live,” says the Lord God, “you shall no longer use this proverb in Israel.

The lord spoke to the lost people of isreal believing a lie

4 “Behold, all souls are Mine;
The soul of the father
As well as the soul of the son is Mine;
The soul who sins shall die.

Remember the scripture that the soul does not leave the body until death the soul that is sinning here is the one that has left the body the devil and his devils

5 But if a man is just
And does what is lawful and right;
6 If he has not eaten [a]on the mountains,
Nor lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel,
Nor defiled his neighbor’s wife,
Nor approached a woman during her impurity;
7 If he has not oppressed anyone,
But has restored to the debtor his pledge;
Has robbed no one by violence,
But has given his bread to the hungry
And covered the naked with clothing;
8 If he has not [b]exacted usury
Nor taken any increase,
But has withdrawn his hand from iniquity
And executed true [c]judgment between man and man;
9 If he has walked in My statutes
And kept My judgments faithfully—
He is just;
He shall surely live!”
Says the Lord God.

in other words stop listening to the soul that sins

10 “If he begets a son who is a robber
Or a shedder of blood,
Who does any of these things
11 And does none of those duties,
But has eaten [d]on the mountains
Or defiled his neighbor’s wife;
12 If he has oppressed the poor and needy,
Robbed by violence,
Not restored the pledge,
Lifted his eyes to the idols,
Or committed abomination;
13 If he has exacted usury
Or taken increase—
Shall he then live?
He shall not live!
If he has done any of these abominations,
He shall surely die;
His blood shall be upon him.

in other words stop listening to the soul that sins

14 “If, however, he begets a son
Who sees all the sins which his father has done,
And considers but does not do likewise;
15 Who has not eaten [e]on the mountains,
Nor lifted his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel,
Nor defiled his neighbor’s wife;
16 Has not oppressed anyone,
Nor withheld a pledge,
Nor robbed by violence,
But has given his bread to the hungry
And covered the naked with clothing;
17 Who has withdrawn his hand from [f]the poor
And not received usury or increase,
But has executed My judgments
And walked in My statutes—
He shall not die for the iniquity of his father;
He shall surely live!

in other words listen to me God

18 “As for his father, the devil the soul that sins
Because he cruelly oppressed,
Robbed his brother by violence,
And did what is not good among his people,
Behold, he shall die for his iniquity.

This only magnifies what John 1 and John 8 is informing us of.

You misse the opening command of the LORD: But if a man is just and does what is lawful and right;

Now go back and read John 8:43-45

 

[Dino246]

The Toxins being produced in the environment - air, water, soil come from the BEAST.

That is not correct. Mercury is a toxin, but is a naturally-occurring element created by God. Scripture says nothing about the enemy having any creative ability.

Toxicity is a function of chemical structure, volume, location, and concentration.

 

[de-emerald]

This only magnifies what John 1 and John 8 is informing us of.

You misse the opening command of the LORD: But if a man is just and does what is lawful and right;

Now go back and read John 8:43-45

God speaking to his people about right and wrongs has nothing to do with them not recieving Jesus he even said forgive them father they do not know what they do after his own people had him crucified,,

 

[de-emerald]

That is not correct. Mercury is a toxin, but is a naturally-occurring element created by God. Scripture says nothing about the enemy having any creative ability.

Toxicity is a function of chemical structure, volume, location, and concentration.

wispering in peoples ears to create something toxic could not be ruled out tho and welcome back sorry i was a bit hard on you the other day.

 

[DavidTree]

That is not correct. Mercury is a toxin, but is a naturally-occurring element created by God. Scripture says nothing about the enemy having any creative ability.

Toxicity is a function of chemical structure, volume, location, and concentration.

i used the word create with the understanding that all things were created by God.

Man creates/makes only from the elements that were created by God - we cannot bring something out of nothing like God can.

But we can make things from the creation can be good or evil.

So, the word create(s) is only refering to this by man: construct, build, make, form, mold, establish

No creation by or thru man - man cannot create something from nothing but he can create something from the elements of Creation.

Ineteresting that you brought up Mercury as it is the most toxic elements to our health which they put in drugs and dental fillings.

 

[DavidTree]

God speaking to his people about right and wrongs has nothing to do with them not recieving Jesus he even said forgive them father they do not know what they do after his own people had him crucified,,

Over your head Brother- read it again and stay where we started because diversion tactics do not apply.

That is the rabbit trail which runs in circles.

 

[de-emerald]

Over your head Brother- read it again and stay where we started because diversion tactics do not apply.

That is the rabbit trail which runs in circles.

is this what you was unhappy about ? are you trying to make me see that God was calling his own chosen people condemed to hell, can you not see that he even forgave them for cruicfying him ?

and why may that be ? why would you forgive your own people for crucifying you

 

[DavidTree]

is this what you was unhappy about ? are you trying to make me see that God was calling his own chosen people condemed to hell, can you not see that he even forgave them for cruicfying him ?

and why may that be ? why would you forgive your own people for crucifying you

this conversation has ended because now you are adding to my words and to God's words

 

[de-emerald]

this conversation has ended because now you are adding to my words and to God's words

ok bye and take your false accusations with you.

 

[DavidTree]

ok bye and take your false accusations with you.

Jesus answered and said to them, “Even if I bear witness of Myself, My witness is true, for I know where I came from and where I am going; but you do not know where I come from and where I am going. You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one. And yet if I do judge, My judgment is true; for I am not alone, but I am with the Father who sent Me. It is also written in your law that the testimony of two men is true. I am One who bears witness of Myself, and the Father who sent Me bears witness of Me.”

Then Jesus said to them again, “I am going away, and you will seek Me, and will die in your sin. Where I go you cannot come.”

The LORD did not say maybe - HE said they will die in their sin.

 

[de-emerald]

Jesus answered and said to them, “Even if I bear witness of Myself, My witness is true, for I know where I came from and where I am going; but you do not know where I come from and where I am going. You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one. And yet if I do judge, My judgment is true; for I am not alone, but I am with the Father who sent Me. It is also written in your law that the testimony of two men is true. I am One who bears witness of Myself, and the Father who sent Me bears witness of Me.”

Then Jesus said to them again, “I am going away, and you will seek Me, and will die in your sin. Where I go you cannot come.”

The LORD did not say maybe - HE said they will die in their sin.

all people will die with some unrepented sin in my book,

 

[de-emerald]

Jesus answered and said to them, “Even if I bear witness of Myself, My witness is true, for I know where I came from and where I am going; but you do not know where I come from and where I am going. You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one. And yet if I do judge, My judgment is true; for I am not alone, but I am with the Father who sent Me. It is also written in your law that the testimony of two men is true. I am One who bears witness of Myself, and the Father who sent Me bears witness of Me.”

Then Jesus said to them again, “I am going away, and you will seek Me, and will die in your sin. Where I go you cannot come.”

The LORD did not say maybe - HE said they will die in their sin.

25 “Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still together on the way, or your adversary may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison. 26 Truly I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.

Adultery
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’[e] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

seeing as theese to verses are next to each other then dieing with unrepented sin can still be forgiven meaning you can come out of hell also

 

[DavidTree]

all people will die with some unrepented sin in my book,

just

25 “Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still together on the way, or your adversary may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison. 26 Truly I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.

Adultery
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’[e] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

seeing as theese to verses are next to each other then dieing with unrepented sin can still be forgiven meaning you can come out of hell also

Your first scripture, vs25-26, is pertaining to this realm/earth and is temporary.

Then JESUS shifts into the eternal destination for sin.

Notice in vs25-26 you can get out, while on earth.
Now JESUS uses a stark contrast in vs27-30 but he never mentions them getting out.

So, imho, i do not see how we can pay for our sins thru our suffering - why would Christ have to suffer and die for our sins if we can pay for them through our own suffering in hell?

Did any of the Apostles direct us to remission of sins by our suffering in hell?

 

[de-emerald]

just


Your first scripture, vs25-26, is pertaining to this realm/earth and is temporary.

Then JESUS shifts into the eternal destination for sin.

Notice in vs25-26 you can get out, while on earth.
Now JESUS uses a stark contrast in vs27-30 but he never mentions them getting out.

So, imho, i do not see how we can pay for our sins thru our suffering - why would Christ have to suffer and die for our sins if we can pay for them through our own suffering in hell?

Did any of the Apostles direct us to remission of sins by our suffering in hell?

my friend im sorry for your miss understanding but i could think of many reasons why somebody could die in there sin. there is also impurities we will all need cleaning from as nothing unclean can enter the heavens, befor you stand in the presence of God you must be cleansed the bible says this. but again it goes with what your saying but in a different part of the bible. now i would not want to accuse you of adding to the word of God but because one vevrse does not mention them getting out does not mean that they wont here. especially when the verse befor speaks of never getting out until you have payed every last penny. and then the very next verse teaches you can sin just by looking at a women.

 

[Dino246]

Jumpin to ezikiel 18 is also another distraction but lets go there for many scriptures can distract you.

A False Proverb Refuted
18 The word of the Lord came to me again, saying, 2 “What do you mean when you use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying:

‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes,
And the children’s teeth are set on edge’?

3 “As I live,” says the Lord God, “you shall no longer use this proverb in Israel.

The lord spoke to the lost people of isreal believing a lie

4 “Behold, all souls are Mine;
The soul of the father
As well as the soul of the son is Mine;
The soul who sins shall die.

Remember the scripture that the soul does not leave the body until death the soul that is sinning here is the one that has left the body the devil and his devils

5 But if a man is just
And does what is lawful and right;
6 If he has not eaten [a]on the mountains,
Nor lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel,
Nor defiled his neighbor’s wife,
Nor approached a woman during her impurity;
7 If he has not oppressed anyone,
But has restored to the debtor his pledge;
Has robbed no one by violence,
But has given his bread to the hungry
And covered the naked with clothing;
8 If he has not [b]exacted usury
Nor taken any increase,
But has withdrawn his hand from iniquity
And executed true [c]judgment between man and man;
9 If he has walked in My statutes
And kept My judgments faithfully—
He is just;
He shall surely live!”
Says the Lord God.

in other words stop listening to the soul that sins

10 “If he begets a son who is a robber
Or a shedder of blood,
Who does any of these things
11 And does none of those duties,
But has eaten [d]on the mountains
Or defiled his neighbor’s wife;
12 If he has oppressed the poor and needy,
Robbed by violence,
Not restored the pledge,
Lifted his eyes to the idols,
Or committed abomination;
13 If he has exacted usury
Or taken increase—
Shall he then live?
He shall not live!
If he has done any of these abominations,
He shall surely die;
His blood shall be upon him.

in other words stop listening to the soul that sins

14 “If, however, he begets a son
Who sees all the sins which his father has done,
And considers but does not do likewise;
15 Who has not eaten [e]on the mountains,
Nor lifted his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel,
Nor defiled his neighbor’s wife;
16 Has not oppressed anyone,
Nor withheld a pledge,
Nor robbed by violence,
But has given his bread to the hungry
And covered the naked with clothing;
17 Who has withdrawn his hand from [f]the poor
And not received usury or increase,
But has executed My judgments
And walked in My statutes—
He shall not die for the iniquity of his father;
He shall surely live!

in other words listen to me God

18 “As for his father, the devil the soul that sins
Because he cruelly oppressed,
Robbed his brother by violence,
And did what is not good among his people,
Behold, he shall die for his iniquity.

Respectfully, this passage is not saying ‘Stop listening to the soul that sins.’ Rather, it is saying that the sinner, and not other persons, will be held responsible for the sin.

 

[DavidTree]

my friend im sorry for your miss understanding but i could think of many reasons why somebody could die in there sin. there is also impurities we will all need cleaning from as nothing unclean can enter the heavens, befor you stand in the presence of God you must be cleansed the bible says this. but again it goes with what your saying but in a different part of the bible. now i would not want to accuse you of adding to the word of God but because one vevrse does not mention them getting out does not mean that they wont here. especially when the verse befor speaks of never getting out until you have payed every last penny. and then the very next verse teaches you can sin just by looking at a women.

and thus my question to you - Did any of the Apostles direct us to remission of sins by our suffering in hell?

Remember, the LORD said we can get out of jail while on earth.
He is not agreeing with this assessment when He speaks of eternal judgment. That is why He never says - we can get out.

This is called stark comparison, to magnify a point He is driving home into our hearts.

Now, we do not need to argue this but continue in the scriptures to see how they speak - one way or the other - amen

Gotta go - have a blessed day

 

[de-emerald]

and thus my question to you - Did any of the Apostles direct us to remission of sins by our suffering in hell?

Remember, the LORD said we can get out of jail while on earth.
He is not agreeing with this assessment when He speaks of eternal judgment. That is why He never says - we can get out.

This is called stark comparison, to magnify a point He is driving home into our hearts.

Now, we do not need to argue this but continue in the scriptures to see how they speak - one way or the other - amen

Gotta go - have a blessed day

you didnt answer my question befor that why did Jesus forgive his own people for crucifying him. as for your question here of the top of my head yes john the baptist said repent for the kingdom of heaven is near.

 

[de-emerald]

Respectfully, this passage is not saying ‘Stop listening to the soul that sins.’ Rather, it is saying that the sinner, and not other persons, will be held responsible for the sin.

God is the judge of that because only God knows your heart

 

[DavidTree]

you didnt answer my question befor that why did Jesus forgive his own people for crucifying him. as for your question here of the top of my head yes john the baptist said repent for the kingdom of heaven is near.

AMEN - Our Lord did in fact forgive them while on the cross - but it was for that moment.

How do we know this? Because HE gave them room to repent - Acts-
He sent His Apostles again to them, but they still did not repent.

Some did, but not the ones where He said "you will die in your sin".

He gave them 40 years to repent - they still refuse and He sent the Roman Army upon them for Judgment in 70AD.

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”
Matthew 23:37-39