QUOTEI agree that such a belief is bizarre, but who believes that pretribbers "a "wicked person rapture" before the trib."
I can't speak for all pretribbers, but I take the passages about 'one shall be taken and the other left' to refer to events that occur at the coming of the Son of man AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS as the passage says.
People who do not hold to your eschatology do not read your eschatology into the passages. They aren't pretribbers.
I am also open when it comes to eschatology, and hold certain points tentatively, but pre-trib is pretty low on the list as being a possible alternative. It's more far-fetched than partial preterism, but much less so than full preterism, IMO.
I'd like you to explain how you think the parousia changes to a different even between II Thessalonians 2:1 and 2:8.... and why does II Thessalonians 1 set the judgment and wrath on unbelievers at the same time as giving the saints rest from those causing tribulation?
"I am also open when it comes to eschatology, and hold certain points tentatively, but pre-trib is pretty low on the list as being a possible alternative. It's more far-fetched than partial preterism, but much less so than full preterism, IMO."
All rapture verses are pretrib setting.
None are postrib setting
Maybe you have one? ( besides Rev 14:14)
Post one for me.
Should be easy since you are advocating a setting of no commerce without the mark, no normal life , and satanic rule.
.I agree that such a belief is bizarre, but who believes that pretribbers "a "wicked person rapture" before the trib."
I can't speak for all pretribbers, but I take the passages about 'one shall be taken and the other left' to refer to events that occur at the coming of the Son of man AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS as the passage says.
People who do not hold to your eschatology do not read your eschatology into the passages. They aren't pretribbers.
I am also open when it comes to eschatology, and hold certain points tentatively, but pre-trib is pretty low on the list as being a possible alternative. It's more far-fetched than partial preterism, but much less so than full preterism, IMO.
I'd like you to explain how you think the parousia changes to a different even between II Thessalonians 2:1 and 2:8.... and why does II Thessalonians 1 set the judgment and wrath on unbelievers at the same time as giving the saints rest from those causing tribulation?
When, in relationship to the flood,are the "wicked taken and the righteous remain"?