Pre-Trib Rapture

  • Thread starter Thread starter Is
  • Start date Start date
  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
The noun is not used like the verb.
As a noun, it does not connotate physical leaving, but it's use is exclusive to dissension leading to withdrawal from a group.

There is no example of ἀποστασία ever being used as "departure" in a literal sense. Although possible, there is NO example in any Greek text, fiction or nonfiction, that uses the word in the literal sense. Is Paul the only person to have ever used this word in such a way, especially seeing as there are half a dozen other Greek terms regularly used to mean "leave" or "depart" in a physical sense... Why use ἀποστασία in such an unusual way? It's just not a real possibility.
 
LT said:
The noun is not used like the verb.
As a noun, it does not connotate physical leaving, but it's use is exclusive to dissension leading to withdrawal from a group.

There is no example of ἀποστασία ever being used as "departure" in a literal sense. Although possible, there is NO example in any Greek text, fiction or nonfiction, that uses the word in the literal sense. Is Paul the only person to have ever used this word in such a way, especially seeing as there are half a dozen other Greek terms regularly used to mean "leave" or "depart" in a physical sense... Why use ἀποστασία in such an unusual way? It's just not a real possibility.
Click to expand...
Departure is the meaning.

Even in your analysis it would be ,literally, "departure (from the faith)"....(implied)
 
LT said:
The noun is not used like the verb.
As a noun, it does not connotate physical leaving, but it's use is exclusive to dissension leading to withdrawal from a group.

There is no example of ἀποστασία ever being used as "departure" in a literal sense. Although possible, there is NO example in any Greek text, fiction or nonfiction, that uses the word in the literal sense. Is Paul the only person to have ever used this word in such a way, especially seeing as there are half a dozen other Greek terms regularly used to mean "leave" or "depart" in a physical sense... Why use ἀποστασία in such an unusual way? It's just not a real possibility.
Click to expand...

=======================================
The word "Apostasia" can mean departure, but only in reference to departing from faith. The word cannot be bent to mean depart up into the wild blue yonder.

apostasía (from 868 /aphístēmi, "leave, depart," which is derived from 575 /apó, "away from" and 2476 /histémi, "stand") – properly, departure (implying desertion); apostasy – literally, "a leaving, from a previous standing."

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance

falling away, apostacy Feminine of the same as apostasion; defection from truth (properly, the state) ("apostasy") -- falling away, forsake.

======================================
 
popeye said:
Did she mis speak at 27;50?

"3 gods in one person"
Click to expand...

When I sent this in I hadn't gotten to the part where she makes a big deal out of Bible codes, which I think has been disproven a long time ago. I am very confused since in the past Gail has written some very good books. I have sense found an article that I feel everyone must read:

GAIL RIPLINGER'S ROSICRUCIAN MASTERPIECE
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Is said:
When I sent this in I hadn't gotten to the part where she makes a big deal out of Bible codes, which I think has been disproven a long time ago. I am very confused since in the past Gail has written some very good books. I have sense found an article that I feel everyone must read:

GAIL RIPLINGER'S ROSICRUCIAN MASTERPIECE
Click to expand...


LOL,I was wondering about the lack of references to the greek.

I have Green's interlinear. Always thought it was the highest ground.
 
popeye said:
LOL,I was wondering about the lack of references to the greek.

I have Green's interlinear. Always thought it was the highest ground.
Click to expand...

I have one too. I was stupified when she gave credence to the Bible Codes, since many have proven that they are bunk.
 
dcontroversal said:
I suggest two things....

1. Re-read the verses you cite as NO where does it say THE church is preventing the man of sin from being revealed...it uses the personal pronoun HE and the church is not identified as a HE...
2. What you are regurgitating is the opinion of men that have been pushed so as to try and support the imminent return of Christ which is false...
Click to expand...
If I have implied that the church will prevent the man of perdition by having the Holy Spirit endwell her I am sorry and was too hasty.
 
Some say folks will be deceived if no pre-r. But on the flip side how many post tribbers are playing games and think they'll have a chance to straighten up when they see rev. events unfolding? I believe baby killing for baby parts and anal lust marriage has pushed us to the edge. Throw in Internet porn access by all ages, America has not been a fit place to raise a family for a long time. It just keeps getting worse at lightning speed! Probably full public nudity nation wide will be on the agenda soon with 5 zombies on the SC more than happy to make all the laws.(whatever happen to congress?)

What a mess our children must face!

I lean toward Lot and family escaping sodom before destruction but then you got the persecution of thousands of believers down through history. We'll see! On that happy note, have a nice day!
 
Yet said:
Some say folks will be deceived if no pre-r. But on the flip side how many post tribbers are playing games and think they'll have a chance to straighten up when they see rev. events unfolding? I believe baby killing for baby parts and anal lust marriage has pushed us to the edge. Throw in Internet porn access by all ages, America has not been a fit place to raise a family for a long time. It just keeps getting worse at lightning speed! Probably full public nudity nation wide will be on the agenda soon with 5 zombies on the SC more than happy to make all the laws.(whatever happen to congress?)

What a mess our children must face!

I lean toward Lot and family escaping sodom before destruction but then you got the persecution of thousands of believers down through history. We'll see! On that happy note, have a nice day!
Click to expand...

I wonder, How many people are contemplating leaving the country or already have
 
One thing is for sure...something has to happen soon. I can't imagine this world continuing the way it is much longer.
 
Yet said:
Some say folks will be deceived if no pre-r. But on the flip side how many post tribbers are playing games and think they'll have a chance to straighten up when they see rev. events unfolding? I believe baby killing for baby parts and anal lust marriage has pushed us to the edge. Throw in Internet porn access by all ages, America has not been a fit place to raise a family for a long time. It just keeps getting worse at lightning speed! Probably full public nudity nation wide will be on the agenda soon with 5 zombies on the SC more than happy to make all the laws.(whatever happen to congress?)

What a mess our children must face!

I lean toward Lot and family escaping sodom before destruction but then you got the persecution of thousands of believers down through history. We'll see! On that happy note, have a nice day!
Click to expand...

I think public nudity has been ok in San Francisco for quite a while.
 
passing_through said:
The church of Jesus Christ is never referred to as 'he'. I believe that it is the Holy Spirit that hinders and prevent him from coming, and since the Spirit is within the church then us as well.
Click to expand...

(Robin)
I happen to believe in the so-called rapture; however, your point about gender, here, is a very good observation ...
the [one] {3588 T-NSM} down-holding {2722 V-PAP-NSM} presently {0737 ADV}




***

2:7 Τὸ γὰρ μυστήριον ἤδη ἐνεργεῖται τῆς ἀνομίας· μόνον ὁ κατέχων ἄρτι, ἕως ἐκ μέσου γένηται,

to gar mustErion EdE energeitai tEs anomias monon ho katechOn arti heOs ek mesou genEtai
For the secret of the lawlessness it operates already, only the [one] presently down-holding, until amidst, out of [secret] he should become,

the [thing] {3588 T-NSN} for {1063 CONJ} a secret {3466 N-NSN} already {2235 ADV} it operates {1754 V-PMI-3S} of the [one] {3588 T-GSF} of a lawlessness {0458 N-GSF} only {3440 ADV} the [one] {3588 T-NSM} down-holding {2722 V-PAP-NSM} presently {0737 ADV} until {2193 ADV} out {1537 PREP} of amidst a [thing] {3319 A-GSN} he should become {1096 V-2ADS-3S}
 
passing_through said:
Excapism is not God's way, My grace is sufficient is.
Click to expand...

You must be reading a different bible than I am. I guess Noah drowned, the children of Israel were destroyed by Pharaoh, Lot and his family suffered destruction in Sodom, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego burned in a furnace, Daniel was eaten by a lion, and Paul and Silas died in prison.
 
shotgunner said:
You must be reading a different bible than I am. I guess Noah drowned, the children of Israel were destroyed by Pharaoh, Lot and his family suffered destruction in Sodom, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego burned in a furnace, Daniel was eaten by a lion, and Paul and Silas died in prison.
Click to expand...
as you would choose it.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top Bottom
Back