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Predestination
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eternally-gratefull
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She didn't "do" anything. She was herself. She had characteristics, traits, a personality, that I liked, that I was attracted to.
...plus a great bod.
-I- pursued -her-. It took awhile.
God is pursuing all men, He is drawing them. He wants all to be saved. But because all men have free will, many will not respond.
what made you decide to confess Jesus as Lord?
how are you so certain God raised him from the dead?
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eternally-gratefull
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She didn't "do" anything. She was herself. She had characteristics, traits, a personality, that I liked, that I was attracted to.
...plus a great bod.
-I- pursued -her-. It took awhile.
God is pursuing all men, He is drawing them. He wants all to be saved. But because all men have free will, many will not respond.
Oh you mean like God draws us when he reveals himself to us??
Amazing thing is many men would look at here and not see her as you do. Like many look at God and do not see him as we do. Because they look at him differently. I guess you could say with "blind eyes" They can't see Gods inner beauty and his love for us. Because all they see is the judgmental aspect of God. and they hate it. Thus reject him, Because they do not see themselves as God sees them.
She didn't "do" anything. She was herself. She had characteristics, traits, a personality, that I liked, that I was attracted to.
...plus a great bod.
-I- pursued -her-. It took awhile.
God is pursuing all men, He is drawing them. He wants all to be saved. But because all men have free will, many will not respond.
LOL....
psssst
you only thought you were pursing her i betcha (she was drawing you irresistably) - LOL!
she chose YOU. *snicker*
love zone.
Have you ever been head over heels in love?
Can you just answer the question?
Shroom said he has been in love...
I asked could he have chosen NOT to fall in love..
Thats the last I heard.
I asked could he have chosen NOT to fall in love..
Thats the last I heard.
You haven't been paying attention.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/29955-predestination-4.html#post531508
Oh you mean like God draws us when he reveals himself to us??
Amazing thing is many men would look at here and not see her as you do. Like many look at God and do not see him as we do. Because they look at him differently. I guess you could say with "blind eyes" They can't see Gods inner beauty and his love for us. Because all they see is the judgmental aspect of God. and they hate it. Thus reject him, Because they do not see themselves as God sees them.
God is angry with the wicked every day.
all men are condemned already.
all men fell in Adam, and have piled sin upon sin themselves.
only in Christ Jesus is that wrath turned away from us.
only robed in Christ's righteousness is God pleased with us.
only faith in Christ's Finished work delivers us.
until men are saved BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH BOTH GIFTS they are at enmity with Him, and hell-bound. man's heart is darkened, his mind is darkened, the world is fallen, unregenerate man is darkness.
natural man's DEFAULT POSITION is denial and rebellion. if men are not drawn (dragged) to Calvary, they're not going.
i confess that:
Sola Scriptura - Scripture Alone
Solus Christus - Christ Alone
Sola Gratia - Grace Alone
Sola Fide - Faith Alone
Soli Deo Gloria - The Glory of God Alone
Unwarranted confidence in human ability is a product of fallen human nature ... God's grace in Christ is not merely necessary but is the sole efficient cause of salvation. We confess that human beings are born spiritually dead and are incapable even of cooperating with regenerating grace. We reaffirm that in salvation we are rescued from God's wrath by his grace alone. It is the supernatural work of the Holy Spirit that brings us to Christ by releasing us from our bondage to sin and raising us from spiritual death to spiritual life. We deny that salvation is in any sense a human work. Human methods, techniques or strategies by themselves cannot accomplish this transformation. Faith is not produced by our unregenerated human nature. - Cambridge Declaration
God gave man 100% free will, zone. Salvation is available to all. Those who seek will find, and if they choose to believe, they'll receive salvation.
Romans 10:9) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Eph 1:13) In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Romans 10:9) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Eph 1:13) In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
what good does 100% free will do to fallen man who has supressed the knowledge of God in unrighteousness?
free will to carry on in darkness, to his current destination: wrath.
pelagianism is bad bad theology.
It is the supernatural work of the Holy Spirit that brings us to Christ by releasing us from our bondage to sin and raising us from spiritual death to spiritual life. We deny that salvation is in any sense a human work.
According to wikipedia, pelagianism is "the belief that original sin did not taint human nature and that mortal will is still capable of choosing good or evil without special Divine aid."
I do not believe this. The original sin DID "taint" human nature and left all men dead in sin.
Rom 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
1 Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
But man can still choose.
Deut 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
so how does a dead man walking, who is by nature a child of wrath, condemned as are the rest of mankind 'make a decision for Jesus'?
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eternally-gratefull
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Originally Posted by Strangelove
Could you have chosen NOT to fall in love with her?
maybe you should have read back further.
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eternally-gratefull
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thanks for proving my point. One who is dragged is forced. if they wanted to go they would not need to be dragged.
so strangelove. you still want to say you and zone do not believe one is forced?