Pregnancies from rape a "gift from God"?????

[TheGrungeDiva]

Hi Ariel.

I agreed with almost everything you said, except for this one sentence.

Do you know how guilty and how emotionally scaring having an abortion is to a woman?

Actually, I don't know how "guilty" or "emotionally scaring" having an abortion is to any woman but me, and neither do you. And unless you have actually had an abortion, you really don't know what it's like, you can only guess, and that guess may or may not be right. You might think you would react one way, but if you were actually there you'd react another way. Or, you may feel one way when you're 20 or another way when you're 40.

Most importantly, you don't know that the emotional (not to mention physical) suffering of having an abortion is going to be worse than the emotional suffering of carrying a child to term. For some women, I'm sure it is. For others, I'm sure it is not. That is exactly why this cannot be decided by anyone else but by the woman.

Other than that, the rest of your post was spot-on.

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

There are still places where if an abortion fails and that baby is born alive during the abortion, he/she is simply tossed into a corner until he/she does die.

Can you provide evidence for this, and where this happens? A reputable source, please.

Jordache continues:
In Australia, it's a legal offense to hit a kangaroo and not call the posted number on the sides of the roads. Why, because it could have a baby in it's pouch. I would think we'd care more about protecting our babies, than a marsupial.

Again, I would like to see support for this. I would believe the part about having to call the authorities when you hit a kangaroo, but I don't think it's because of the possibility of the joey. I think the authorities are more worried about the kangaroo, and/or the mess.

 

[jb]

In Australia, it's a legal offense to hit a kangaroo and not call the posted number on the sides of the roads...

Kangaroo meat is also (legally) served on the table in Australia...

 

[abair]

Are you able to see how stridently nonthinking your post is?
It's so ridiculous, it resembles a joke.
You speak as someone who would, if they were about to kill

You are ignorant
You must live in the Stone Age
You do not even think you just repeating
You do not know what is rape
you are Foolish with meaning of rape Do you think rape is a bad sexual experience!!!
So it seems my words silly to you but the truth your mind cant handel or Understand the description

 

[abair]

It's an awesome victory when a lady chooses to keep an unwanted child; It's even more awesome when she does it of her own free will.

you do not go to rape woman and say God and value of life and some other "religion" nonsense and you personal opinion then talk about free will it is a brain wash
you make the rapist make Decision
no body think about the value of the rape victim life
she just container to you

 

[smithbr8]

you do not go to rape woman and say God and value of life and some other "religion" nonsense and you personal opinion then talk about free will it is a brain wash
you make the rapist make Decision
no body think about the value of the rape victim life
she just container to you

It's sad, but I have to agree with you. When did we get to the point that it's perfectly ok to tell a woman "I don't care if having a child would cause you to die in childbirth. Your life means nothing. You were probably a whore anyway."?

 

[abair]

I just wanted to re-post this sentence. I think it states perfectly what the view of every Christian should be regarding abortion.

Recognize that ultimately, it is the wrong choice, but that it must remain a choice the woman makes

you say abortion is wrong and keeping the rapist semen is awesomeaccording to christianty view but it is the victim choice !!!

so if the victim choose abortion that mean she choose the wrong choice !!

that is not a choice

you trying to fool who exactly ?

 

[TheGrungeDiva]

you say abortion is wrong and keeping the rapist semen is awesomeaccording to christianty view but it is the victim choice !!!

I never said it was "awesome." I said that abortion is "sin." Sometimes it is the best choice out of a bunch of lousy choices. This is one example: if a woman is raped, having to carry the child to term would be, at least for many women, a worse evil than getting an abortion. (I'm not saying all women would make that choice. I know there are women who have made the other choice and lived healthy lives -- like I said before, it's about choice.)

so if the victim choose abortion that mean she choose the wrong choice !!

No, that is the opposite of what I said. You seem to have a lot of anger, and are striking out even at the people who ultimately agree with you. I urge you to take a deep breath and pray to God before responding on these boards. I remember from some of your postings before that you have every good reason to be angry. You have gone through some horrid times, and I do understand this knee-jerk reaction against anything that even smells like fake kindness -- been there, done that, sold the movie rights.

Buddha said, "Holding on to a grudge is like drinking poison and hoping the other person will die."

It's so true. Yes, a little righteous indignation is necessary at times. Even Jesus turned over the trading tables at the temple when they turned his father's house of prayer into a strip mall. But those moments, I think, are few. More often, the more we hold on to our anger and hatred, the more it only hurts us, and does nothing to the person who caused that anger and hate. The best way to "get back at" those who hurt you is to live a successful, happy, healthy life.

I know, I know, easier said than done. But then, sometimes not. Sometimes, all you have to do is ask God, and it is done. If he can carry the sin of the whole world, don't you think he can carry your anger, too? Give it to Jesus.

 

[abair]

However I do believe that a child who is born as a result from a rape is a Gift from GOD

God gift !!!

why he did not help the rape victim as a gift ?

so he let the rapist rape the Innocent woman to keeo "free will" to rapist

then he give the Innocent victim (who Abandoned her just in favor of the rapist "free will" and watch all the rape crime ) give her the rapist semen as "gift" !!!!!

that make him crazy !!

do you know how Ridiculous the word" God gift" is ?

so when the rapist finish his crime and give the victim his underpants as a gift because it has his semen

it is logic to say oh thank you i will keep it and everyday she wear the underpant even kiss it hold it near to her heart and totally love it !!!!!

this nonsense "gift" to the victim of rape from God who left her face his gift to the rapist which is "free will"

she not allowed to refuse it ?? but it is ok to the rapist to accept and refuse God gift "free will"

it seem to me your God taking the "rapist" side giving him free will to rape the woman and not intervene in his "free will" even if it hurt Innocents
then protect the rapist "free will" results

who is your God !!!

 

[abair]

I never said it was "awesome."

you re-post this sentence

Originally Posted by HeraldtheNews
It's an awesome victory when a lady chooses to keep an unwanted child; It's even more awesome when she does it of her own free will.


then you said

I just wanted to re-post this sentence. I think it states perfectly what the view of every Christian should be regarding abortion.

 

[abair]

You seem to have a lot of anger, and are striking out even at the people who ultimately agree with you

first i did not strik on you i just Quoted your comment

second do you think yourself agree with me ?!
you wrong brother

you think abortion is a sin even if it is because of a rape

I said that abortion is "sin."

i think abortion is not a sin it is woman right

you think if a woman keep the semen of the rapist she can live healthy life

i think it is never healthy it is sick

you think abortion after rape is a sin but

it is the best choice out of a bunch of lousy choices

i think it is not lousy choice it is the only right thing to do there is no choice

 

[Jordache]

Smith, for Gods own reason he chose not to have the apostles preach to Asia for that moment. He had a specific plan that he was seeing through. It is wry dangerous to yank one or two scriptures out of the bible and base a whole theology on them. If you read the whole context of Acts, you will see that in Acts 19 Paul spent two years preaching until all the Jews and Gentiles (including Asians) had heard the Gospel.

 

[abair]

I remember from some of your postings before that you have every good reason to be angry. You have gone through some horrid times

Horoscopes talks it is apply to any one do not make it personal it is a lame shot


it is not about your Diagnosis for what you do not like about me it is about rape victims right to abortion

 

[lost1972]

The fact is if you are having a child aborted and it's a normal healthy child, you are not living as a Christian, yes what happened was horrible, but God will give you the strength to deal with the child and any negative feelings you have, An innocent child has no control over his Daddy and is not someone to resent or blame for what happened, God may have a plan for that Child, I know someone personally who was conceived through rape and now counsels women who were raped, What if that persons Mother had said I cant deal with this child? God has a plan for every child.

 

[RickShafer]

*edited*
Posted apologized.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Don't have cow abair......
I mean don't strap a bomb to yourself or anything.....
This is a debate, not a jihad.

 

[Nautilus]

Yeah even I was shocked...

 

[RickShafer]

My last post on this thread was completely out of bounds and
over the line.
I apologize to Abair and all others who read my senseless
and mean spirited comment.
Disagreement is no excuse for rudeness.
Please accept my apology.

 

[hopesprings]

first i did not strik on you i just Quoted your comment

second do you think yourself agree with me ?!
you wrong brother

you think abortion is a sin even if it is because of a rape

i think abortion is not a sin it is woman right

you think if a woman keep the semen of the rapist she can live healthy life

i think it is never healthy it is sick

you think abortion after rape is a sin but

i think it is not lousy choice it is the only right thing to do there is no choice

Sounds like your saying that if a woman gets raped and ends up pregnant, then the only right choice is to have an abortion? Which would mean not having an abortion, and keeping the child, would be the wrong choice. Where is the "free will" in that?

 

[smithbr8]

Don't have cow abair......
I mean don't strap a bomb to yourself or anything.....
This is a debate, not a jihad.

Seriously? And you wonder why people have a problem with your argument? That's the most horrid thing I've read in this comment thread. I truly feel sorry for you that you would resort to that. I will pray for you. Wow....