Pride goes before destruction

[Jason0047]

You stated the following on page 40:

As for talking about the issue of Pride: It would be entirely meaningless to discuss such verses if they did not actually apply to us, no?

Condemned by your own words . . . again.

First, I asked a question and it was not an accusation. There is a difference. Second, there was no hateful words directed towards her in that sentence. I am merely trying to determine if she would agree or not agree by the question asked. I asked the question because the OSAS proponent believes they can do certain sins (whether it be a little bit of sin or a lot of sin) and still be saved. But the Bible does not allow for that, though.

 

[psalm6819]

It would do nothing to try to refute your view with scripture because you have an opinion of God that is very one sided. it is sad that that you do not see that as Jesus blood poured out the price was paid. God could love those who accept the sacrifice and deal with mercy not judgment.

 

[Rosesrock]

First, I asked a question and it was not an accusation. There is a difference. Second, there was no hateful words directed towards her in that sentence. I am merely trying to determine if she would agree or not agree by the question asked. I asked the question because the OSAS proponent believes they can do certain sins (whether it be a little bit of sin or a lot of sin) and still be saved. But the Bible does not allow for that, though.

And the those that think they can lose their salvation, make up the sin rules=pride??

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Yes, Jason. He is, He has and He will continue to because He is faithful.

Yes the Bridegroom is faithful, but if the bride is not faithful to the Bridegroom then she will be counted as a Harlot.

 

[Jason0047]

A genuine Christian would know not to intentionally sin, and would want to please God. Since none of us are sinless, the Holy Spirit convicts us for when we do sin. That's where God's grace comes to play. There is a big difference between wilfully sinning and not really caring, verus sinning and having a repentive heart, sincerely asking God for forgiveness. Jesus died for all of our past, present, and future sins. Why the future? Because He knew we can't do anything right.

But see, people are sinning here by mocking and insulting others and they are not really recognizing it is wrong. Also, the cat is already out of the bag, too. Many here have already voted "yes" in my poll in another thread that they can die in unrepentant sin (Such as lying, lusting after women, and hating others) and still be saved. That is basically saying you can have a license to sin (Which is wrong). A believer must have Godly sorrow that leads to repentance unto salvation (2 Corinthians 7:10).

 

[Budman]

"They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate" (Titus 1:16).

The "work" Jesus was talking about was unbelief.

"Therefore they said to Him, 'What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?' Jesus answered and said to them, 'This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.' "


That's it, and that's all.

 

[Rosesrock]

But see, people are sinning here by mocking and insulting others and they are not really recognizing it is wrong. Also, the cat is already out of the bag, too. Many here have already voted "yes" in my poll in another thread that they can die in unrepentant sin (Such as lying, lusting after women, and hating others) and still be saved. That is basically saying you can have a license to sin (Which is wrong). A believer must have Godly sorrow that leads to repentance unto salvation (2 Corinthians 7:10).

Because you believe one can lose salvation, which goes against God's word.

 

[Jason0047]

And the those that think they can lose their salvation, make up the sin rules=pride??

You cannot borrow morals when it suits your purpose. You either are for God's Laws or you are not for them. If you do not forgive, you will not be forgiven. That is not an Eternal Security verse. Matthew 6:15 is a verse that supports Biblical Conditionalism.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

The "work" Jesus was talking about was unbelief.

"Therefore they said to Him, 'What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?' Jesus answered and said to them, 'This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.' "


That's it, and that's all.

Believing in Jesus Christ is also believing in every word that proceeds from the mouth of God, for Jesus Christ is the very Word of God made flesh.

 

[psalm6819]

Yes the Bridegroom is faithful, but if the bride is not faithful to the Bridegroom then she will be counted as a Harlot.

One man's opinion, not God's, His Spirit seals us.

 

[Jason0047]

Because you believe one can lose salvation, which goes against God's word.

Well, here is a list of verses that makes it absolutely clear that believers can fall away from the faith.

1 Samuel 16:14
1 Samuel 31:4
Ezekiel 18:24
Hebrews 3:12-14
Hebrews 4:11
Hebrews 6:4-9
Hebrews 10:26-30
Hebrews 12:15
1 Timothy 1:18-20
1 Timothy 4:1-7
Galatians 3:1-5
2 Peter 2:20-22
2 Peter 3:17
Matthew 13:18-23
1 Corinthians 10:12
2 Thessalonians 2:3

Now, do not misunderstand me, believers cannot lose their salvation, but they can forfeit their salvation (i.e. they can willingly throw it away by rebelling against God). In fact,

Here is a list of believers who have forfeited their salvation:

• Saul (1 Samuel 16:14) (1 Samuel 31:4)

• Demas (2 Timothy 4:10)

• The Prodigal Son (Luke 15:11-32)

• Judas Iscariot (Psalm 41:9) (Luke 6:16) (Acts 1:25)

• Hymenaeus and Philetus (2 Timothy 2:17, 18)

• Unnamed Christians destroyed by false teaching (2 Timothy 2:17, 18)

• Many Unnamed Disciples (John 6:66)

• Some Younger Christian Widows (1 Timothy 5:14, 15)

• Some Christians Eager For Money (1 Timothy 6:8, 9, 10)

• Ananias and Sapphira (Acts 5:1-11)

• Balaam (Numbers chapters 22, 23, 24) (Numbers 31:8) (Joshua 13:22) (Jude 1:11)

And here is a list of potential fallen believers:

• The Servant Who is Not Looking For Him (Luke 12:45, 46)

• Recent Convert Who is a Potential Spiritual Leader (1 Timothy 3:6)

• The Unforgiving in Heart (Matthew 6:14, 15)

• Luke Warm Unrepentant Believer (Revelation 3:14-22)

• Fruitless Christians (John 15:1-10) (Matthew 25:14-30)

• Widows That Live in Pleasure (1 Timothy 5:5, 6)

• Believers Whose Seed Fell Upon the Rocks (Luke 8:13)

• Believers Whose Seed Was Choked by Thorns (Matthew 13:22)

• Gentile Believer Who Did Not Have on a Wedding Garment (Matthew 22:1-14) (Revelation 19:7, 8)

• The Potential Fellow Believer Who Erred From the Truth & Was Converted Back
  (James 5:19, 20)

For Jesus is the Light and we are to shine the Light of Christ within our lives. For there are those who think they can serve Jesus and also live for oneself, sin, and evil; But this is wrong, though. "For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God" (John 3:20-21).

 

[Jason0047]

One man's opinion, not God's, His Spirit seals us.

Circumcision was a ”seal” for those under the old covenant.

Romans 4:11
And he received the sign of circumcision, a SEAL of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also

This seal WAS broken and guaranteed nothing when those who were circumcised broke the covenant and were cut off from the people of God.

Romans 2:25-27
25 For circumcision verily profiteth, IF thou keep the law: but IF thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. 26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? 27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?

As you can see, this seal was conditioned on continued faith and obedience. The Holy Spirit marks us as God’s children of the new covenant but if we abandon the faith, and/or live in disobedience then the Spirit of God no longer remains in us and we are no longer sealed. Circumcised (sealed) jews were broken off through unbelief.

Acts. 5:32
And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

John 14:15-16
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever

Romans 8:9-10
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, IF so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And IF Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

God speaks of the Israelites who ”grieved” His Holy Spirit in their rebellion. These Jews were cut off from the promise of entering God’s rest and they became God’s enemies.

Isaiah 63:10
But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: THEREFORE he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them. —

Isaiah 63:14
As a beast goeth down into the valley, the Spirit of the LORD caused him to rest: so didst thou lead thy people, to make thyself a glorious name.


Source:
Sealed UNTO the day of redemption, but a seal can be broken Eph. 4:30 | Bjorkbloggen

 

[Utah]

The "work" Jesus was talking about was unbelief.

"Therefore they said to Him, 'What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?' Jesus answered and said to them, 'This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.' "

That's it, and that's all.

Amen to this! And my heart breaks for those who fail to understand this.

Is that prideful on my part?

 

[Jason0047]

The "work" Jesus was talking about was unbelief.

"Therefore they said to Him, 'What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?' Jesus answered and said to them, 'This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.' "


That's it, and that's all.

No. It says... WORKS... and EVERY good work that they are reprobate.

"They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." (Titus 1:16).

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

One man's opinion, not God's, His Spirit seals us.

Yes the Spirit seals us, and also gives the ability to remain faithful to Him.

 

[Budman]

Jason, Jesus commanded us to "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength." (Mark 12:30)

Since you insist on living under the Law, you must do as Christ has commanded every second of every day for the rest of your life.

If you do not love the Lord our God with ALL your heart, soul, mind, and strength every second of every day - guess what?

You are thus sinning every second of every day.

The reason Jesus said what He did was to show we are incapable of doing what the Law requires. It is meant to drive us to the cross.

But again, if you insist you must work to keep your salvation, then you had better not fail to love the Lord your God with ALL of your heart, soul, mind, and strength for even a second.

 

[gb9]

No. It says... WORKS... and EVERY good work that they are reprobate.

"They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." (Titus 1:16).

YES budman got it right. you get it wrong because you see everything through works save eyes. if you keep reading Titus, it says NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTIOUSNESS WHICH WE HAVE DONE BUT BY HIS MERCY HE SAVED US. get it right please. context. not isolated verses.

 

[DesiredHaven]

Your motivation here is not to know the Truth, but to try to accuse me by your line of questioning. This the Lord revealed to me when you first tried to sway my words with your line of questions.

Luke 11:54
Laying wait for him, and seeking to catch something out of his mouth, that they might accuse him.

Have a nice day.

See that verse and the one connected to the wicked in my signature.
God speaks of those among Gods own people who were wicked men laying in wait for others (and I see as laying in wait for blood) as the scripture also shows its the very words of the wicked that do this (Prov 12:6). Its sort of that whole laying in wait at anothers mouth asking those slippery insincere questions, and waiting in eager expectation to slam you over a word (the sufferings of Christ) Heb 12:3 These are who he endured, as it says, For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. Constantly tempting him, provoking him, even to speak, to press him, all of the same stuff. Same beast different century. Thats why I believe "falsely" accusing plays a larger part here as the laying in wait (in respects to its truest intent according to the scriptures) is "to accuse" and if it cannot entangle or trap you, it will typically fall back into falsely accusing someone, or the old standby, just make you an offender for a word (Isaiah 21:29) even as some will hang out at the door of your lips (similar as a predator) waiting to pounce on others. There is one who seeks to devour and it does what only what it sees its father do.

Which is just what the scripture shows of the wicked also
(who indeed might call themselves brethren but who are not) as Paul speaks of "false brethren" also

Here is just a few of them

As it speaks similarly here (of one speaking deceitfully peacefully) but the lying in wait is shown there

Jerm 9:8 Their tongue is as an arrow shot out; it speaketh deceit: one speaketh peaceably to his neighbour with his mouth, but in heart he layeth his wait.

Similarly.....

Psalm 55:21 The words of his mouth were smoother than butter, but war was in his heart: his words were softer than oil, yet were they drawn swords.

Waiting for blood is with their mouth

Prov 12:6 The words of the wicked are to lie in wait for blood:

They did that with Jesus, and even taking counsel in how they might entangle our Lord

Mat 22:15 Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in his talk.

These are who our Lord endured against himself

Luke 11:54 Laying wait for him, and seeking to catch something out of his mouth, that they might accuse him.

In my signature at present...

Jerm 5:26 For among my people are found wicked men: they lay wait, as he that setteth snares; they set a trap, they catch men.

So if the shoe fits (may it not)

Isaiah 29:21 That make a man an offender for a word, that lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate and turn aside the just for a thing of nought

Full verse...

Prov 12:6 The words of the wicked are to lie in wait for blood: but the mouth of the upright shall deliver them.

Good and upright is the Lord who also delivers from their mouth

Luke 21:15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom which all of your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay or contradict

Ezek 34:10 ... For I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.

In the end...

Prov 12:7 The wicked are overthrown, and are not: but the house of the righteous shall stand.

Its always best to stick with the scriptures though as He as well as His words are our shield. I find when you open the door (even a crack) and use another word (at all) while they are trying to snag you it will naturally follow that you will be thrown down and pummeled (like no ones business) over a word the moment you do (typically) especially when trying to hem you in over a word. You can often see that coming miles away. Same tactics are used on all boards, and as is shown in our Lords time, as then (even now) where the wheat and tares grow together. The tares are the wicked, the tares are manifested and the tares will call themselves christian just as Cain is Abel's brother (but not of faith) but rather (of that wicked) and as Satan is as a roaring lion looking for someone to devour, so likewise do those of the wicked (as was manifested in Cain) and is manifested in the tares (who are of the wicked) but were never of the faith (but of the wicked).

Thats how I see it anyway

God bless you Bro
(Good morning 2 U!)

 

[ember]

Your motivation here is not to know the Truth, but to try to accuse me by your line of questioning. This the Lord revealed to me when you first tried to sway my words with your line of questions.

Luke 11:54
Laying wait for him, and seeking to catch something out of his mouth, that they might accuse him.

Have a nice day.

Your motivation here is not to know the Truth, but to try to accuse me by your line of questioning. This the Lord revealed to me when you first tried to sway my words with your line of questions

The mark of a false prophet is using God's Name to hide behind in order to shoot suddenly at the innocent

You cannot answer a simple question because it reveals you are accusing believers...like you just did here

The accuser is satan himself...so, yah know, reveal your heart in your attempt to make an innocent person guilty before God

You don't have that power and I take your words seriously because I see the spirit behind them...


So, yeah, you ARE calling believers wicked...you just did it...

As you say, so you are

another one on ignore.....sigh

 

[Jason0047]

Jason, Jesus commanded us to "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength." (Mark 12:30)

Since you insist on living under the Law, you must do as Christ has commanded every second of every day for the rest of your life.

If you do not love the Lord our God with ALL your heart, soul, mind, and strength every second of every day - guess what?

You are thus sinning every second of every day.

The reason Jesus said what He did was to show we are incapable of doing what the Law requires. It is meant to drive us to the cross.

But again, if you insist you must work to keep your salvation, then you had better not fail to love the Lord your God with ALL of your heart, soul, mind, and strength for even a second.

First, Christians are not under the Law of Moses. The Old Covenant was done away with by Christ's death upon the cross (Hebrews 8:13). Christians are under the New Covenant and there are many, many commands that are given to us by Jesus and His apostles.

Here are 1,050 Commands (Laws) found in the New Testament:

https://www.cai.org/bible-studies/1050-new-testament-commands

In fact, Paul said that what he had written should be considered as the Lord's Commandments. In the New Testament, there is the Law of Christ (Galatians 6:2), and the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:2). Jesus Christ said he came not to destroy the Law, but to fulfill it. Love is the natural fulfillment of the Law (See Romans 13). John defines sin as merely transgression of the Law (1 John 3:4). In John 12:48, Jesus said if you reject his words, then those very words will judge you on the last day. Paul says if any man speaks contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of Godliness is proud and they know nothing (1 Timothy 6:3-4).

Second, there are sins that lead unto death and there are sins that do not lead unto death (See 1 John 5:16-18). Sins that do not lead unto death would be hidden or secret faults (Psalm 19:12). This would be the type of sins like say going over the speed limit a little or not taking out the trash last week (like you were supposed to). For he to knoweth to do good and he does it not, to him it is sin (James 4:17). Sins unto death would also be confessed sin, too. Sins that would lead unto death are those types of sins Paul lists several times in the New Testament that will cause a person not to inherit the KIngdom of God (Galatians 5:19-21) (1 Corinthians 6:9-10) (Ephesians 3:3-7). These are really bad unrepentant sins such as lying, hating, murdering, committing fornication, stealing, and drunkenness, etc. John says in Revelation 21:8 that these types of sins will lead unto the Second DEATH, which is the Lake of Fire. Paul says to the brethen, be not deceived, the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Then he lists certain sins that apply to that unrighteousness. One can only be deceived if you are a believer. An unbeliever is already deceived by the devil and sin because they do not have Jesus Christ.