Pride goes before destruction
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Why are you trying to accuse me falsely? You know I believe in confessing my sins. I believe confessing sins is necessary so as to be forgiven of sin (Like it states). Do you believe that, or do you believe it has to do with fellowship and not salvation?
No, the Christian who endures in Christ Jesus (who works thru them) has grace.
Please show me where I was prideful and blasphemous. Post #'s would be good.
No, the Christian who endures in Christ Jesus (who works thru them) has grace.
Please show me where I was prideful and blasphemous. Post #'s would be good.
I do have joy in God my Savior. But I cannot see how a person can have real genuine joy if they remain in their sin thinking they are saved, though. For Paul said sin shall not have dominion over you. Jesus said, he that sins is a slave to sin.
Jesus Christ was manifested to destroy the works of the devil.
Has Jesus destroyed the works of the devil in your life?
Jesus Christ was manifested to destroy the works of the devil.
Has Jesus destroyed the works of the devil in your life?
Not your works or by the works of the Law. God's work done in you.
For who ultimately does the "good work" in a believer's life? Is it God? Or is it the believer? Well, Scripture tells us that God (Christ) is the One who ultimately does the work within a believer.
Philippians 1:6
Philippians 1:11
Philippians 2:13
Philippians 4:13
1 Corinthians 15:10 KJV
Hebrews 12:1, 2
Hebrews 13:21
Isaiah 26:12
1 John 4:12
Galatians 5:22, 23, 24 (cf. Matthew 7:16, 18, Matthew 19:17)
John 15:5
Ezekiel 36:26, 27
For that is why the 24 elders cast their crowns down before Jesus (Revelation 4:10). For the crowns they received for their good work was all the result of Christ working in them.
Yeah, but doesn't a believer do the work, too? Now, yes, it is true; A believer is created unto Christ Jesus for good works (Ephesians 2:10); And a believer is indeed held accountable by their "good works" here upon this Earth at a Judgment. But we must also realize that true believers are not ultimately doing these "good works" alone or of their own power, though. For in 1 Corinthians 15:10 Paul said that he labored more than all of his brethren, yet he said it was not him that labored but it was the grace of God that was within him. So true believer's are just choosing to allow God's "good work" to flow within them or not.
For who ultimately does the "good work" in a believer's life? Is it God? Or is it the believer? Well, Scripture tells us that God (Christ) is the One who ultimately does the work within a believer.
Philippians 1:6
Philippians 1:11
Philippians 2:13
Philippians 4:13
1 Corinthians 15:10 KJV
Hebrews 12:1, 2
Hebrews 13:21
Isaiah 26:12
1 John 4:12
Galatians 5:22, 23, 24 (cf. Matthew 7:16, 18, Matthew 19:17)
John 15:5
Ezekiel 36:26, 27
For that is why the 24 elders cast their crowns down before Jesus (Revelation 4:10). For the crowns they received for their good work was all the result of Christ working in them.
Yeah, but doesn't a believer do the work, too? Now, yes, it is true; A believer is created unto Christ Jesus for good works (Ephesians 2:10); And a believer is indeed held accountable by their "good works" here upon this Earth at a Judgment. But we must also realize that true believers are not ultimately doing these "good works" alone or of their own power, though. For in 1 Corinthians 15:10 Paul said that he labored more than all of his brethren, yet he said it was not him that labored but it was the grace of God that was within him. So true believer's are just choosing to allow God's "good work" to flow within them or not.
A genuine Christian would know not to intentionally sin, and would want to please God. Since none of us are sinless, the Holy Spirit convicts us for when we do sin. That's where God's grace comes to play. There is a big difference between wilfully sinning and not really caring, verus sinning and having a repentive heart, sincerely asking God for forgiveness. Jesus died for all of our past, present, and future sins. Why the future? Because He knew we can't do anything right.
Here are a list of verses that show that we used to be sinners but we are not that way anymore.
"For we ourselves also were once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another." (TItus 3:3).
"Thorns and snares are in the path of the wicked:
whoever guards his soul stays from them." (Proverbs 22:5).
And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will (2 Timothy 2:26).
"Once you were alienated from God and you were enemies with him in your minds, which was shown by your evil actions." (Colossians 1:21).
"For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;" (1 Thessalonians 1:9).
"We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loves not his brother abides in death. Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer: and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him." (1 John 3:14-15).
"And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lies in wickedness" (1 John 5:19).
"In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother." (1 John 3:10).
"For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do--living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry." (1 Peter 4:3).
"Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them." (Colossians 3:5-7).
"But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger" (Romans 2:8).
"As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance," (1 Peter 1:14).
"He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathers not with me scatters abroad" (Matthew 12:30).
"He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." (John 12:48).
"But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you." (Romans 6:17).
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God." (1 Corinthians 6:9-11).
"For we ourselves also were once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another." (TItus 3:3).
"Thorns and snares are in the path of the wicked:
whoever guards his soul stays from them." (Proverbs 22:5).
And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will (2 Timothy 2:26).
"Once you were alienated from God and you were enemies with him in your minds, which was shown by your evil actions." (Colossians 1:21).
"For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;" (1 Thessalonians 1:9).
"We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loves not his brother abides in death. Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer: and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him." (1 John 3:14-15).
"And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lies in wickedness" (1 John 5:19).
"In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother." (1 John 3:10).
"For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do--living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry." (1 Peter 4:3).
"Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them." (Colossians 3:5-7).
"But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger" (Romans 2:8).
"As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance," (1 Peter 1:14).
"He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathers not with me scatters abroad" (Matthew 12:30).
"He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." (John 12:48).
"But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you." (Romans 6:17).
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God." (1 Corinthians 6:9-11).
God is not faithful to people who are unfaithful to Him. If that was the case, then unbelievers would be saved, too. In John 12:48, Jesus says if you reject his words, then those very words will judge you on the last day. I don't see how you can really escape or get around how you can ignore his words and still be saved.
For example: Matthew 6:15. It's a condition. You cannot be forgiven unless you forgive others. There is no Eternal Security in that verse.
For example: Matthew 6:15. It's a condition. You cannot be forgiven unless you forgive others. There is no Eternal Security in that verse.
What Ephesians 2:8-9 is talking about is man's righteousness or works or his effort in trying to save himself.
God working in you is merely the fruit that He does within a believer showing that they are truly born again. For this is a real faith and not a dead faith or counterfeit faith.
So yes, we are not saved by our own works. For it is God that does the work in the believer. But there are those who refuse to submit to the work God wants to do in the believer, though. There are those think they can sin and still be saved instead.
"For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God" (Romans 10:3).
"They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate" (Titus 1:16).
God working in you is merely the fruit that He does within a believer showing that they are truly born again. For this is a real faith and not a dead faith or counterfeit faith.
So yes, we are not saved by our own works. For it is God that does the work in the believer. But there are those who refuse to submit to the work God wants to do in the believer, though. There are those think they can sin and still be saved instead.
"For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God" (Romans 10:3).
"They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate" (Titus 1:16).
That verse applies to the lost. It's a promise of salvation if they put their faith in Christ.
Jason, Romans 4:8 says: "Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will never count against him."
Never means never - not, "never, until you sin again."
You refuse to accept that ALL sin - past, present, and FUTURE were forgiven on the cross through the cleansing blood of Jesus.
Colossians 2:13: "When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us ALL our sins."
1 John 1:7: "...the blood of Jesus, His Son, purifies us from ALL sin."
Acts 13:38,39: "Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins; and by Him all that believe are justified from ALL THINGS, from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses."
2 Corinthians 5:19: "that God was reconciling the world to Himself in Christ, NOT counting men's sins against them."
Romans 8:1: "There is now NO CONDEMNATION for those in Christ Jesus."
If you insist on living under the Law, you will be judged by the Law. The Law requires perfection - continual and absolute. You must be as perfect as God. You cannot take a little bit of Jesus and mix Him with the Law to justify your prideful nature.