probably the greatest weakness of Hebrew Roots

[MacBestus]

LOL. You falsely accuse me and then you want to dialog?

I have not falsely accused you. I have accurately stated your position in a manner you find uncomfortable because you find it incriminating. ( I think it bothers you. That is the spirit. Don't ignore it. )

This in response to things you have stated.

You are now seeking to divert your inability to defend your position without further incriminating yourself by shifting a blame to me that does not exist.

If fools no one. Least of all our Messiah.

As I continue to ask you... Prove it.

And in case you dont remember.... You dialoged with me first. With sarcasm and emoticons and no scriptural meat.

 

[FreeNChrist]

I have not falsely accused you. I have accurately stated your position in a manner you find uncomfortable because you find it incriminating. ( I think it bothers you. That is the spirit. Don't ignore it. )

This in response to things you have stated.

You are now seeking to divert your inability to defend your position without further incriminating yourself by shifting a blame to me that does not exist.

If fools no one. Least of all our Messiah.

As I continue to ask you... Prove it.

And in case you dont remember.... You dialoged with me first. With sarcasm and emoticons and no scriptural meat.

You're doing a fine enough job proving "it" on your own. The wise thing to do after sticking your foot in your own mouth would be to remove it, not cram it further down your throat.

 

[MacBestus]

Prove me a false accuser... Answer this...

Should a saved individual continue in sin?

 

[FreeNChrist]

Prove me a false accuser... Answer this...

Should a saved individual continue in sin?

You answer me this, are you without sin?

 

[MacBestus]

You're doing a fine enough job proving "it" on your own. The wise thing to do after sticking your foot in your own mouth would be to remove it, not cram it further down your throat.

Lol like I said... No meat. You claim the doctrine of sin. I claim the doctine of law.

Grace is claimed by both.

You claim Grace either removes the law or makes siin ok.

I say grace is a wonder gift of forgiveness for when we do sin. But when we do recieve Grace we should also try to stop sinning.

My foot has not been in my mouth...but I am standing firmly in the Word.

 

[MacBestus]

You answer me this, are you without sin?

Of course not! Do you even read what I write? We all sin. We all need Grace. Grace is not freedom TO sin. It is Freedom FROM our sins. As Paul put it in Romans..Should we therefore sin that Grace may Abound? YHWH forbid.

As Messiah put it...

John 11:
10 When Yahushua had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

11 She said, No man, Sir. And Yahushua said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

That is Grace. I Forgive you... Go forth and sin no more.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Of course not! Do you even read what I write? We all sin. We all need Grace. Grace is not freedom TO sin. It is Freedom FROM our sins. As Paul put it in Romans..Should we therefore sin that Grace may Abound? YHWH forbid.

As Messiah put it...

John 11:
10 When Yahushua had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

11 She said, No man, Sir. And Yahushua said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

That is Grace. I Forgive you... Go forth and sin no more.

And yet you still sin. Go figure.

 

[MacBestus]

Prove me a false accuser... Answer this...
.

Should a saved individual continue in sin?

I answered yours. You answer mine

 

[FreeNChrist]

I answered yours. You answer mine

Yes. I think that since we are under grace we should all just go out and sin like the devil. Yep, that's what I think....

 

[MacBestus]

And yet you still sin. Go figure.

This avoidance game is unbecoming. Of course I do. And will till recieve my glorified body in the resurection. As. I have been saying. If I could live without sinning I wouldnt need Grace.

But GRACE isnt a license to sin.

 

[MacBestus]

Yes. I think that since we are under grace we should all just go out and sin like the devil. Yep, that's what I think....

How mature. And what do you think the biblical definition of sin is?

 

[FreeNChrist]

How mature. And what do you think the biblical definition of sin is?

That's your charge against me, right? That I say we should sin? Even though you have nothing whatsoever to justify it, that is what you have concluded. What's sad is that you are totally blind to what that says about you, not me.

 

[MacBestus]

That's your charge against me, right? That I say we should sin? Even though you have nothing whatsoever to justify it, that is what you have concluded. What's sad is that you are totally blind to what that says about you, not me.

I have no charge against you. You have not wronged me other than being rude. I have been rude as well. Even steven.

What I have observed and you have not denied that you have espoused the view of those who follow the sin doctrine. I have stated that I follow the law doctrine. You cannot give the biblical definition of sin without showing me to be accurate.

What it says about me is that Realizing He so loved me he gave his Son to die for my Sins, I love Him so much as to try and not sin to the best of my Human limitations?

 

[FreeNChrist]

I have no charge against you. You have not wronged me other than being rude. I have been rude as well. Even steven.

What I have observed and you have not denied that you have espoused the view of those who follow the sin doctrine. I have stated that I follow the law doctrine. You cannot give the biblical definition of sin without showing me to be accurate.

What it says about me is that Realizing He so loved me he gave his Son to die for my Sins, I love Him so much as to try and not sin to the best of my Human limitations?

I pray that God has mercy on your soul, as according to scripture your condemnation is just....

"And why not say (as we are slanderously reported and as some claim that we say), “Let us do evil that good may come”? Their condemnation is just." Rom. 3:8

 

[MacBestus]

I pray that God has mercy on your soul, as according to scripture your condemnation is just....

"And why not say (as we are slanderously reported and as some claim that we say), “Let us do evil that good may come”? Their condemnation is just." Rom. 3:8

You do understand slanderous means untrue...he doesnt Say that.

He clarifies it when he says in the same letter that "should we therefore sin tjat gracemay abound....YHWH FORBID.

Your making my argument boss.. Keep going.

 

[FreeNChrist]

You do understand slanderous means untrue...he doesnt Say that.

He clarifies it when he says in the same letter that "should we therefore sin tjat gracemay abound....YHWH FORBID.

Your making my argument boss.. Keep going.

And that right there is why I do not give truth to those who do not love the truth, as Ravi says it only gives them more ammunition for misunderstanding. I am praying for you.

 

[MacBestus]

And that right there is why I do not give truth to those who do not love the truth, as Ravi says it only gives them more ammunition for misunderstanding. I am praying for you.

I knew it. I provide hundreds if verses proving the law doctrine. You are a one and done. And yours was on the other side.

Romans 3:8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

Do you not see? Paul says it is a lie that we are free to sin because of Grace.

He ALWAYS says it. And Peter confirms that he is saying it.

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[Grace777x70]

If no one says "What?..are you saying people can just go and sin all we want now because of grace?" ..if no one says that - then you are not preaching the gospel of the grace of Christ.

No one is saying to go out and sin all you want now because of grace but people should be accusing you of saying that if you are really preaching the same gospel that Paul preached.

He was continuously slandered with this same accusation. In 4x times alone in Romans Paul had to come against those that were accusing Paul of being antinomian.

The grace of God teaches us how to live godly in this present world as Titus 2:11-12.

Sin is stupid and against our new nature in Christ which is created in righteousness and holiness. Sin is deceitful and will destroy us on this earth as well as those we love and ruins our witness for the Lord. But sin does not take away our eternal life in Christ. Sin is not greater than the righteousness of Christ that is in our new creation in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness.

Our spirit is safe in Christ because we are in Him and it is His finished work that brings eternal salvation to us.

Make no mistake about it..the gospel of the grace of Christ is scandalous.

 

[MacBestus]

If no one says "What?..are you saying people can just go and sin all we want now because of grace?" ..if no one says that - then you are not preaching the gospel of the grace of Christ.

No one is saying to go out and sin all you want now because of grace but people should be accusing you of saying that if you are really preaching the same gospel that Paul preached.

He was continuously slandered with this same accusation. In 4x times alone in Romans Paul had to come against those that were accusing Paul of being antinomian.

The grace of God teaches us how to live godly in this present world as Titus 2:11-12.

Sin is stupid and against our new nature in Christ which is created in righteousness and holiness. Sin is deceitful and will destroy us on this earth as well as those we love and ruins our witness for the Lord. But sin does not take away our eternal life in Christ. Sin is not greater than the righteousness of Christ that is in our new creation in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness.

Our spirit is safe in Christ because we are in Him and it is His finished work that brings eternal salvation to us.

Make no mistake about it..the gospel of the grace of Christ is scandalous.

I agree Paul was falsely accused of Lawlessness. He went so far as to pay for others temple sacrafices to try and stop the rumors.

But I do not agree that no one here is saying we can go and sin all we want to.

And I also say my position is proven by the fact no one will of the opposition view to mine will list the New Testament definition of sin. Its given in more than one place.

Please give me New Testament verse to define sin.

 

[Grace777x70]

The very nature of the gospel leads the natural mind of man to think that it means we can sin all we want because of grace and this is also what the natural mind that some Christians live by...which is what they hear when they hear the true gospel being preached that grace believers are saying it's ok to sin all you want now because of grace.....the reality is what is being said is the complete opposite of what those listening with their natural minds think is being said.

The true gospel of the grace of God "teaches" us how to deny ungodliness and to walk sensibly and righteously in this world. It is all by grace through faith in Christ's work on the cross and resurrection. We too died with Him on the cross and rose in His resurrection with Him and now we live unto God in newness of life.

We don't need to water down the gospel because it might get mis-understood as it takes away the full strength of the completed and awesome work that our Lord Jesus Christ did for all of us.

The answer to shall we sin so that grace may abound is in Romans chapters 6 and 7. Then in Chapter 8 we have the Holy Spirit teaching us about the law of the spirit of life in Christ and that we are in the spirit now and not in the flesh.

We do not live now by the oldness of the letter of the law but in the newness of the sin. Sin is transgression of the law - which is why we have died to the law and sin because we died with Christ. We live now from our new creation in Christ. We have nothing to do with the law of Moses anymore. We have the fulfillment of the law - Christ Himself - he is our true life now.