PROPHETS: A BIBLICAL PERSPECTIVE

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I believe the direction possibly, are the four winds..North, West, East, and South
definitely a false prophetess, there's also up and down ROFL. :rolleyes:
When I answered last night, I was not coming as a prophetess. My visions do not come at the demand of others, only when there is danger of life towards people around my area. I came here last night, only to answer a question about the 4 winds. I still believe it is N.E.W.S..as someone pointed out and up and down, but where does N.E.W.S winds go when they can not go any further in their direction..but up or down. It was a mere scientific answer...not a prophecy! Yes, I guess it was my fault for answering something in a post, that is challenging prophets and prophetesses..I am sorry for that! I did not realize I would be laughed at, for just being a person!
Sister Sandy, Jesus despised (couldn't care less about) the humiliation because He saw the source where it came from: pride. Don't take it to heart when some try to make a fool of you on this forum. It's par for the course in the Bible Discussion Forum. :p Ask anyone in the http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/108916-speak-your-mind.html thread. In fact, I invite you to go there if you want to find loving fellowship. :)
 
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Sister Sandy, Jesus despised (couldn't care less about) the humiliation because He saw the source where it came from: pride. Don't take it to heart when some try to make a fool of you on this forum. It's par for the course in the Bible Discussion Forum. :p Ask anyone in the http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/108916-speak-your-mind.html thread. In fact, I invite you to go there if you want to find loving fellowship. :)
Wow thank you for the info Violet!
 

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When I answered last night, I was not coming as a prophetess. My visions do not come at the demand of others, only when there is danger of life towards people around my area. I came here last night, only to answer a question about the 4 winds. I still believe it is N.E.W.S..as someone pointed out and up and down, but where does N.E.W.S winds go when they can not go any further in their direction..but up or down. It was a mere scientific answer...not a prophecy! Yes, I guess it was my fault for answering something in a post, that is challenging prophets and prophetesses..I am sorry for that! I did not realize I would be laughed at, for just being a person!

At the risk of speaking for another poster, I believe he was only joking and not making fun of you. Welcome! I pray you will find refreshment, and friendship from your brothers and sisters here.
 
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>>>and if other people challenge them on where they've been in error, but they respond by ignoring those people and their correction, and proclaiming their own authority is above reproach, then . . ?

because that's what i think ember's getting at. <<<


No. If I call myself a prophet, and by doing so I am agreeing with God, I know that God requires me to tell the truth and will show it to me. Others who do not know what the truth is and do not want the truth will inevitably disagree with it.
If the person is devoid of the Holy Spirit, how can they offer correction to a prophet of God????????
We as prophets are constantly open to correction, but only from those who are being directed by God. And as prophets of His, He would let us know that we should submit to the correction. We are not perfect and we realize our imperfection. Prophets must always walk in humility, because without it we cannot hear no see.
 

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We as prophets are constantly open to correction, but only from those who are being directed by God.
wonderful! then i guess you wouldn't mind having a look at how wrong you were when you jumped up to be counted as a prophet & teacher & apostle & whatever other titles of preeminence and completely mishandled Revelation 6:15 - 7:3 ?

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Sister Sandy, Jesus despised (couldn't care less about) the humiliation because He saw the source where it came from: pride. Don't take it to heart when some try to make a fool of you on this forum. It's par for the course in the Bible Discussion Forum. :p Ask anyone in the http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/108916-speak-your-mind.html thread. In fact, I invite you to go there if you want to find loving fellowship. :)
Speaking of not-prophet. I thought Crossnote was kidding, considering Sandy never said she was a prophet. He's got this running gag/somewhat-sarcastic-but-a-real-point going on about not-prophets. He has been contending -- for several posts now -- that false prophets tend to think they are glorified fortune-tellers. He's been asking for proof of the alleged assumption on their part, and yet none of those kinds of false prophets have been giving him the proof he seeks.

True, he may have taken it too far and I feel bad for Sandy because she is new and doesn't know about this running gag with Crossnote, but I don't think it was done maliciously. (Maybe more thought before making a comment would help, but not malicious.) I think he is growing increasingly frustrated that the false prophets keep making their claims with absolutely no proof on their side other than sheer arrogance.Still, it was a joke (bad joke, but joke.)

Unless... I got that all wrong.
 

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If the person is devoid of the Holy Spirit, how can they offer correction to a prophet of God????????
thus saith Russel?

have you read this?


Then Abimelek called Abraham in and said, “What have you done to us? How have I wronged you that you have brought such great guilt upon me and my kingdom? You have done things to me that should never be done.”
And Abimelek asked Abraham, “What was your reason for doing this?”
Abraham replied, “I said to myself, ‘There is surely no fear of God in this place, and they will kill me because of my wife.’

(Genesis 20:9-11)


also, there's a donkey i think you should meet.


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>>>and if other people challenge them on where they've been in error, but they respond by ignoring those people and their correction, and proclaiming their own authority is above reproach, then . . ?

because that's what i think ember's getting at. <<<




If the person is devoid of the Holy Spirit, how can they offer correction to a prophet of God????????
We as prophets are constantly open to correction, but only from those who are being directed by God. And as prophets of His, He would let us know that we should submit to the correction. We are not perfect and we realize our imperfection. Prophets must always walk in humility, because without it we cannot hear no see.
Oy vey! Only accepting the say-so of someone going along with your delusion about who you say you are has absolutely nothing to do with being "directed by God." Truly, truly it just proves how far away you are from God to be that deluded.

The only way you could possible believe this huge hunk of bologna is to assume, out of this entire website, there are only two believers -- you and Conv! If that's true, exactly how deluded are you?And, being that deluded, why would God make you a prophet?

It is extremely rare for anyone to agree about anything on this site, and yet you bring full agreement among the believers. We all agree you are no prophet. Can it get any clearer than that?

What you're doing is equivalent to putting on a sparkly silver glove and shouting, "I'm Michael Jackson," and yet thinking anyone at all believes that makes you Michael Jackson!
 
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Boy all this fuss about prophets .......no wonder alot of these companies want to be non profit organization..
 
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yes, well...feed a stray cat and it will keep coming back

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In practice, because we know in part and we prophesy in part as Paul says in 1 Cor 13:9, there will be things heard that are not spoken 100% accurately, because spiritual things are sometimes hard to explain with a fleshly tongue.

'In part' is not the same thing as 'in error.' If you have half a map of Florida with some cigarette burns over a few cities, that is 'in part.' But if you have a map of Florida with the pan handle on the eastern side, with Atlanta in the middle, New York near the Keys and Orlando where Miami is supposed to be, that map is in error.
 
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Differences between Old and New Testament Prophets

Old Testament prophets had the distinction of speaking for God. When they said 'thus saieth the Lord' they meant 'thus saieth the Lord'. The Holy Spirit was mainly said to rest upon these prophets and certain other people used of God.

There is NO promise in the OT that the Holy Spirit will indwell believers as He does now.

We do read in the book of Numbers, that the Holy Spirit indwelt Joshua but that seems to be an exception:

And the Lord said to Moses: "Take Joshua the son of Nun with you, a man in whom is the Spirit, lay your hand on him" Numbers 27:18. By stating that the Holy Spirit is in Joshua, it infers that this was not the normal state.

For example we read in the book of Judges that the Holy Spirit came UPON Othniel

The Spirit of the Lord came upon him and he judged Israel Judges 3:10


If you remember, John the Baptist declared that One would come after Him who would baptize with the Holy Spirit

Matthew 3:11
"I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.


So, we can state that as believers after the ascension of Christ, we have a different relationship with the 3rd Person of the Trinity..we are sealed with the Holy Spirit

In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation-- having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, Ephesians 1:13


Since the Holy Spirit has been sent by God the Father, at the return of His Son Jesus into heaven, ALL believers are sealed with the Holy Spirit.

A person, identifying themself as a prophet, does not say the following to other believers:

If the person is devoid of the Holy Spirit, how can they offer correction to a prophet of God????????
We as prophets are constantly open to correction, but only from those who are being directed by God. And as prophets of His, He would let us know that we should submit to the correction. We are not perfect and we realize our imperfection. Prophets must always walk in humility, because without it we cannot hear no see.


you see, the Bible instructs believers on what is and what is not a prophet. NEVER does the Bible state that only prophets can instruct each other. If that were so, we could just ditch our Bibles right now as none of us would have the wherewithall to even ask questions of the so called prophet

Folks, do you realize that these 2 are mocking the office of prophet? It is stated in the quote above that God would let them know if they needed correction

Please see the absolute irony in the words. You see, God has plenty to say about false prophets...and that is why I started this thread

Do not fear the words of these two or think russell has the ability to harm you for if you are a believer, it is God who keeps you and He does not consult with russell about whether or not you are saved because you have the Holy Spirit and God calls you His own

Now neither of these two can give the Holy Spirit and neither of these two can take away the Holy Spirit or erase you out of the Lamb's Book of Life

The only power they have is when they come across an individual who does not know the Bible and has not made it their busines to follow the directive of scripture to study the Bible and show themself a student or workman that God approves of.

What does that mean? It simply means that God approves of those who study His word and consult HIM...he does not want us consulting mediums or soothsayers and He does not want us consulting those who identify themselves as prophets as He wants us to open up HIS Book and get to KNOW him...He does not want us to know Him through a 3rd party...He wants us to meet with Him face to face!

We do not need to have someone between us and God...as Moses was for the Israelites. God wanted to speak with the Israelites face to face but they were afraid and begged Moses to be a go between.

Now, we have these two self proclaimed prophets who are asking US if we would let them be our go between

Apart from the fact that this is a forum for conversation and discussion, the idea is ludicrous.


 
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Differences between Old and New Testament Prophets

Old Testament prophets had the distinction of speaking for God. When they said 'thus saieth the Lord' they meant 'thus saieth the Lord'. The Holy Spirit was mainly said to rest upon these prophets and certain other people used of God.

There is NO promise in the OT that the Holy Spirit will indwell believers as He does now.

We do read in the book of Numbers, that the Holy Spirit indwelt Joshua but that seems to be an exception:

And the Lord said to Moses: "Take Joshua the son of Nun with you, a man in whom is the Spirit, lay your hand on him" Numbers 27:18. By stating that the Holy Spirit is in Joshua, it infers that this was not the normal state.

For example we read in the book of Judges that the Holy Spirit came UPON Othniel

The Spirit of the Lord came upon him and he judged Israel Judges 3:10


If you remember, John the Baptist declared that One would come after Him who would baptize with the Holy Spirit

Matthew 3:11
"I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.


So, we can state that as believers after the ascension of Christ, we have a different relationship with the 3rd Person of the Trinity..we are sealed with the Holy Spirit

In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation-- having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, Ephesians 1:13


Since the Holy Spirit has been sent by God the Father, at the return of His Son Jesus into heaven, ALL believers are sealed with the Holy Spirit.

A person, identifying themself as a prophet, does not say the following to other believers:



you see, the Bible instructs believers on what is and what is not a prophet. NEVER does the Bible state that only prophets can instruct each other. If that were so, we could just ditch our Bibles right now as none of us would have the wherewithall to even ask questions of the so called prophet

Folks, do you realize that these 2 are mocking the office of prophet? It is stated in the quote above that God would let them know if they needed correction

Please see the absolute irony in the words. You see, God has plenty to say about false prophets...and that is why I started this thread

Do not fear the words of these two or think russell has the ability to harm you for if you are a believer, it is God who keeps you and He does not consult with russell about whether or not you are saved because you have the Holy Spirit and God calls you His own

Now neither of these two can give the Holy Spirit and neither of these two can take away the Holy Spirit or erase you out of the Lamb's Book of Life

The only power they have is when they come across an individual who does not know the Bible and has not made it their busines to follow the directive of scripture to study the Bible and show themself a student or workman that God approves of.

What does that mean? It simply means that God approves of those who study His word and consult HIM...he does not want us consulting mediums or soothsayers and He does not want us consulting those who identify themselves as prophets as He wants us to open up HIS Book and get to KNOW him...He does not want us to know Him through a 3rd party...He wants us to meet with Him face to face!

We do not need to have someone between us and God...as Moses was for the Israelites. God wanted to speak with the Israelites face to face but they were afraid and begged Moses to be a go between.

Now, we have these two self proclaimed prophets who are asking US if we would let them be our go between

Apart from the fact that this is a forum for conversation and discussion, the idea is ludicrous.


Will you kick me if I disagree with something you said? (Also humor, but I've been "accused" of being "the accuser" often enough lately, I thought I'd give you a heads up I'm about to disagree, but that doesn't mean I'm accusing you. I'm just disagreeing.)

Here's what I disagree with:
There is NO promise in the OT that the Holy Spirit will indwell believers as He does now.
God really was dwelling with the Israelites from the parting of the Red Sea on to that mountain and all through the rest of the 40 years in the wilderness. He was literally seeable in a fire-cloud guiding them along the way. He asked if he could dwell in them, but morons (not unlike us) decided it would be easier for them to get his Law in print rather then have him that close. He offered the same thing to them that he gave to us -- God indwelling.

They simply didn't take him up on the offer.
 
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that's ok Lynn

however, it is not an occasion of the Holy Spirit dwelling with that I have posted about

it is the INDWELLING for EVERY believe that is the major difference

of course God was evident by His Spirit...from Genesis 1:1 on, but the Holy Spirit did not start to indwell EVERY believer until after the day of Pentecost

It is incorrect to state that God offered the same to the Israelites. Note the words of John the Baptist and how Jesus told the believers He had to go back to heaven in order for God to send the Holy Spirit

you will find that every study on the Holy Spirit with regard to differences in the old and new testaments will say what I posted...probably better, but they will note the difference
 
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I should have added that the reason the distinction is so important, especially for the purposes of rebutting what the prophets are saying, is that the OT prophets did in fact speak for God...the true ones...and God appointed and annointed them to do so

The OT is also quite full with the warnings about false prophets and false words and how they flatter people etc...a true prophet speaking for God pointed out sin and spoke on behalf of God...irregardless of the message, the end was always if you repent and turn back to me I will forgive you and so on...here, on this site, we have them cursing other believers rather than calling them back with love as does God...better yet, we are not in the position of having to be called back if our walk with the Lord is one of obedience...

All Israelites did not have the Holy Spirit....in the end they rejected God by disobedience and both kingdoms fell (extremely condensed and detail sparse synopsis)...

Each believer now has the capacity to hear from God and how a person hears God, has to do with their obedience, walking in the Spirit and so on. The office of prophet that is being claimed in this thread by a few is resembling the OT office to a large extent rather than the NT office. The gifts are for the building up and for the edification of the church..ie body of Christ...

This is just a very brief explanation...suffice it to say, that NO ONE has the right to over ride the Holy Spirit in YOU with their God told me to tell you messages...

There is so much abuse of this 'prophet' and 'I am a prophet', that I hardly know where to begin
 
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Ukok, Welcome to CC.

Just a heads-up, since I didn't know, until someone told me. It the person's user name is pink, the person is a woman. If it's blue, then the person is a guy. You no longer have to guess gender.
im so glad someone here told me now how it is to be done :eek:
thank you very much ma'am

by the way i just want to ask everyone here about
``the four winds`` which is written in the scripture ``rev. 7:1``
stating that, those four messengers also known as angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

are those four winds are literal winds?
or are spiritual?
if it is spiritual, thus it have a power to affect any substance where bein made on a tangible elements and intangible elements according to human knowledge
even though water cannot be held as a tangible substance
(everyone knows we can literaly slip through it) for it can only be contain or
be evaporated.

are spirits could somehow manipulate solid objects, liquids and even gases?

i do hope with this questons doesn't overcome the ``op``
and if someone want to answer it, plesse do so.

thank you very much
goodluck and godbless to all
 
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'In part' is not the same thing as 'in error.' If you have half a map of Florida with some cigarette burns over a few cities, that is 'in part.' But if you have a map of Florida with the pan handle on the eastern side, with Atlanta in the middle, New York near the Keys and Orlando where Miami is supposed to be, that map is in error.
Exactly presidente, that is what I mean. And the ones who spend all their time accusing want to make us false prophets because of the bits we have found hard to see or explain.
 
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If the person is devoid of the Holy Spirit, how can they offer correction to a prophet of God????????
Hi Russell, this is an important subject which needs addressing. There are so many dodgy doctrines out there that some think receiving the Holy Spirit is the same as positive thinking: that if they just SAY they have received Him, it is so. It is kind of like that other wierd one where people say that the baptism with the Holy Spirit is not subsequent to conversion, that it is synonymous with water baptism which is how you are born again. You have to shake your head and wonder where these things come from. Some of them inevitably account for the ignorance of what a NT prophet is all about and also the arrogance that it is fine to attempt to correct a prophet of God while remaining in such ignorance.

To me it is really serious because unless the basic things are in place: being born again and receiving the Holy Spirit, then the Holy Spirit baptism and thus demonstration of the signs promised to believers by Jesus etc....unless they are in place, and the process is begun at least whereby through faith all remaining things lacking will be received, then our conversations are not even with believers so we can't be talking to the church. This seems very odd to me since all things that pertain to life and Godliness are freely given. Why not ask? Why not just ask the Lord to give what He freely wants to give? Makes no sense.

Anyone if they are not sure or suspect they have been sold a lie regarding the gifts and signs and callings etc, can go back to the drawing board and ask the Lord to lead, making sure not to be swayed by anyone along that route of discovery.

If in that event someone discovers they are in a fellowship which does not accept the callings signs gifts and other manifestations of the Spirit, they should RUN and don't look back.
 

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That's pretty much where I am wondering with my question. To put it another way, is prophet like a stratified and distinct office, or is it more like a gift that any Christian can utilize? I am not too sure on the answer, though I kind of lean more towards what you conclude here that there may be distinct prophets that go about specific prophetic tasks (such as the OT prophets), and at the same time everyone can prophesy, as it is the spirit of prophesy is the testimony of Jesus.

I'm not settled though on the conclusion, but it is worth studying I believe. I like your answers.
If by prophesy, you mean proclaim God's word; that could be accomplished by reading Scripture and suggesting a sound application to a current issue. That would certainly make the speaker a prophet.