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2 Corinthians 10:12-18 New International Version (NIV)
12 We do not dare to classify or compare ourselves with some who commend themselves. When they measure themselves by themselves and compare themselves with themselves, they are not wise. 13 We, however, will not boast beyond proper limits, but will confine our boasting to the sphere of service God himself has assigned to us, a sphere that also includes you. 14 We are not going too far in our boasting, as would be the case if we had not come to you, for we did get as far as you with the gospel of Christ. 15 Neither do we go beyond our limits by boasting of work done by others. Our hope is that, as your faith continues to grow, our sphere of activity among you will greatly expand, 16 so that we can preach the gospel in the regions beyond you. For we do not want to boast about work already done in someone else’s territory. 17 But, “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.”[a] 18 For it is not the one who commends himselfwho is approved, but the one whom the Lord commends.
12 We do not dare to classify or compare ourselves with some who commend themselves. When they measure themselves by themselves and compare themselves with themselves, they are not wise. 13 We, however, will not boast beyond proper limits, but will confine our boasting to the sphere of service God himself has assigned to us, a sphere that also includes you. 14 We are not going too far in our boasting, as would be the case if we had not come to you, for we did get as far as you with the gospel of Christ. 15 Neither do we go beyond our limits by boasting of work done by others. Our hope is that, as your faith continues to grow, our sphere of activity among you will greatly expand, 16 so that we can preach the gospel in the regions beyond you. For we do not want to boast about work already done in someone else’s territory. 17 But, “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.”[a] 18 For it is not the one who commends himselfwho is approved, but the one whom the Lord commends.
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that would certainly ``DO``
1 Corinthians 14:37
If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge what I write to you, that they are a command of the Master.
Ephesians 3:5
which was not made known to the sons of men in other generations, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His set-apart emissaries and prophets:
jesus christ the only begotten son of god the father almighty
is the everlasting prophet and not everyone has that information
without reading and understanding the contents of the holy scriptures
no one will come to this mysteries unless he/she spoken to
our lord god the father who is good and cannot tell a lie.
Luke 24:27
And beginning at Mosheh and all the Prophets, He was explaining to them in all the Scriptures the matters concerning Himself.
1 Corinthians 14:37
If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge what I write to you, that they are a command of the Master.
Ephesians 3:5
which was not made known to the sons of men in other generations, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His set-apart emissaries and prophets:
jesus christ the only begotten son of god the father almighty
is the everlasting prophet and not everyone has that information
without reading and understanding the contents of the holy scriptures
no one will come to this mysteries unless he/she spoken to
our lord god the father who is good and cannot tell a lie.
Luke 24:27
And beginning at Mosheh and all the Prophets, He was explaining to them in all the Scriptures the matters concerning Himself.
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All the verses below disprove all the modern concepts of how and when we recieve the Holy Spirit. There is also a distiction of "Recieveing", "Baptized in" and "when" it is recieved.
(Luke 1:15 [AKJV])
For he [John the Baptist] shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
(John 14:25-26 [AKJV])
These things have I spoken to you, being yet present with you. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you.
(John 20:21-22 [AKJV])
Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be to you: as my Father has sent me, even so send I you. And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, Receive you the Holy Ghost:
"Receive", receive the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit had already been given to them before the day of Penticost.
(Acts 1:4-5 [AKJV])
And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, said he, you have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but you shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
"Baptized"The word means "Immersed", which is different than given which they aready had. Jesus was "Immersed" in the Holy Spirit when John baptized Him in water. Jesus tells the disciples that they too will be baptized with the "Immersion" He was baptized with.
(Acts 1:8 [AKJV])
But you shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come on you: and you shall be witnesses to me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and to the uttermost part of the earth.
They had the Holy Spirit, but had no power.
(Acts 5:32 [UKJV])
And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to them that obey him.You have to "Obey God" in order to receive. Those who have the Holy Spirt are witnesses.
(Acts 8:14-18 [UKJV])
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Spirit:
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit. And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Spirit was given, he offered them money,
So just believing in Jesus does not get you the Holy Spirit. That is what the verse says, or is the verse wrong.
So the question is: does believing in Jesus just give us the indwelling? It certainly does not give us the Power because that was given by the laying on of hands, which is how I received it.So to recap. Jesus was the first to be immersed in the Holy Spirit and received power. The disciples had the Holy Spirit prior to Pentecost, when Jesus breathed upon them. You have to Obey God. They then received the Holy Spirit in Power and became witnesses. People who believed on the name of Jesus did not automatically receive the power of the Holy Spirit, but it was given through the laying on of hands.
All this is so much different than what the modern church teaches today.
(Luke 1:15 [AKJV])
For he [John the Baptist] shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
(John 14:25-26 [AKJV])
These things have I spoken to you, being yet present with you. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I have said to you.
(John 20:21-22 [AKJV])
Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be to you: as my Father has sent me, even so send I you. And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, Receive you the Holy Ghost:
"Receive", receive the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit had already been given to them before the day of Penticost.
(Acts 1:4-5 [AKJV])
And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, said he, you have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but you shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
"Baptized"The word means "Immersed", which is different than given which they aready had. Jesus was "Immersed" in the Holy Spirit when John baptized Him in water. Jesus tells the disciples that they too will be baptized with the "Immersion" He was baptized with.
(Acts 1:8 [AKJV])
But you shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come on you: and you shall be witnesses to me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and to the uttermost part of the earth.
They had the Holy Spirit, but had no power.
(Acts 5:32 [UKJV])
And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to them that obey him.You have to "Obey God" in order to receive. Those who have the Holy Spirt are witnesses.
(Acts 8:14-18 [UKJV])
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Spirit:
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit. And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Spirit was given, he offered them money,
So just believing in Jesus does not get you the Holy Spirit. That is what the verse says, or is the verse wrong.
So the question is: does believing in Jesus just give us the indwelling? It certainly does not give us the Power because that was given by the laying on of hands, which is how I received it.So to recap. Jesus was the first to be immersed in the Holy Spirit and received power. The disciples had the Holy Spirit prior to Pentecost, when Jesus breathed upon them. You have to Obey God. They then received the Holy Spirit in Power and became witnesses. People who believed on the name of Jesus did not automatically receive the power of the Holy Spirit, but it was given through the laying on of hands.
All this is so much different than what the modern church teaches today.
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and to everyone, a meaningful life for being christian!!
Deuteronomy 18:21
“And when you say in your heart, ‘How do we know the word which יהוה has not spoken?’ –
Deuteronomy 18:22
when the prophet speaks in the Name of יהוה and the word is not, or comes not, that is the word which יהוה has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.
but it wasn't supposed to be something like the old passion way of uncivilized ehem:
in the old testament
Numbers 15:32And while the children of Yisra’ĕl were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day.
33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Mosheh and to Aharon, and to all the congregation.
34 And they put him in under guard, because it had not been declared what should be done to him.
35 And יהוה said to Mosheh, “The man shall certainly be put to death, all the congregation stoning him with stones outside the camp.”
36 And all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, as יהוה commanded Mosheh, and he died.
can we do it repeat that good old days? imagine if all the children from all the different sect ask their ``prophet`` a question similar to this one,
should we tell them all that it is just another word coming from god that must be obey even in this modern time?
Romans 13:10
Love does no evil to a neighbour. Therefore, love is completion of the Torah.
Romans 13:11
And do this, knowing the time, that it is already the hour for us to wake up from sleep, for now our deliverance is nearer than when we did believe.
1 Corinthians 13:8
Love never fails. And whether there be prophecies, they shall be inactive; or tongues, they shall cease; or knowledge, it shall be inactive.
9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part shall be inactive.
2 Corinthians 13:11
For the rest, brothers, rejoice. Be made perfect, be encouraged, be of one mind, live in peace. And the Elohim of love and peace shall be with you.
2 Corinthians 13:14
The favour of the Master יהושע Messiah, and the love of Elohim, and the fellowship of the Set-apart Spirit be with all of you. Amĕn.
Deuteronomy 18:21
“And when you say in your heart, ‘How do we know the word which יהוה has not spoken?’ –
Deuteronomy 18:22
when the prophet speaks in the Name of יהוה and the word is not, or comes not, that is the word which יהוה has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.
but it wasn't supposed to be something like the old passion way of uncivilized ehem:
in the old testament
Numbers 15:32And while the children of Yisra’ĕl were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day.
33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Mosheh and to Aharon, and to all the congregation.
34 And they put him in under guard, because it had not been declared what should be done to him.
35 And יהוה said to Mosheh, “The man shall certainly be put to death, all the congregation stoning him with stones outside the camp.”
36 And all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, as יהוה commanded Mosheh, and he died.
can we do it repeat that good old days? imagine if all the children from all the different sect ask their ``prophet`` a question similar to this one,
should we tell them all that it is just another word coming from god that must be obey even in this modern time?
Romans 13:10
Love does no evil to a neighbour. Therefore, love is completion of the Torah.
Romans 13:11
And do this, knowing the time, that it is already the hour for us to wake up from sleep, for now our deliverance is nearer than when we did believe.
1 Corinthians 13:8
Love never fails. And whether there be prophecies, they shall be inactive; or tongues, they shall cease; or knowledge, it shall be inactive.
9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part shall be inactive.
2 Corinthians 13:11
For the rest, brothers, rejoice. Be made perfect, be encouraged, be of one mind, live in peace. And the Elohim of love and peace shall be with you.
2 Corinthians 13:14
The favour of the Master יהושע Messiah, and the love of Elohim, and the fellowship of the Set-apart Spirit be with all of you. Amĕn.
note that there was no human 'laying on of hands' with this one
no laying on of hands here either.
Jesus tells his disciples this in the context of His death, not H[SUB]2[/SUB]O baptism. (Mark 10:32-41)
before this,
yes.
so this is what we must obey. to believe in Christ; to love Him, and one another.
one example. see also the counterexample of Cornelius & his house in Acts 10, and Peter's description of it Acts 11 - the Spirit was poured out on these gentiles without baptism, without laying on of hands. with only that they heard the gospel and believed, just as it's written in Ephesians 1.
it's my understanding that interpretation which sets scripture against scripture is wrong.
or you are wrong.
because no, that's not what Acts 8:14-18 says at all. that is an example of certain men, not a pattern for all people as a law.
but Acts 10-11 gives another example, and didn't you start your post with the example of John the baptizer, who was granted the Holy Spirit before he was even born?
what does this verse say, Russ?
and what does this verse say?
God said whoever believes.
i think we shouldn't make Him a liar, don't you? it's His gift to give, after all.
no laying on of hands here either.
Jesus tells his disciples this in the context of His death, not H[SUB]2[/SUB]O baptism. (Mark 10:32-41)
before this,
Jesus called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out impure spirits and to heal every disease and sickness.
(Matthew 10:1)
so authority is what's necessary to do miracles, not power - because power belongs to the Lord, not to men. right? (Matthew 10:1)
And this is his command:
to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ,
and to love one another as he commanded us.
(1 John 3:23)
to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ,
and to love one another as he commanded us.
(1 John 3:23)
so this is what we must obey. to believe in Christ; to love Him, and one another.
one example. see also the counterexample of Cornelius & his house in Acts 10, and Peter's description of it Acts 11 - the Spirit was poured out on these gentiles without baptism, without laying on of hands. with only that they heard the gospel and believed, just as it's written in Ephesians 1.
it's my understanding that interpretation which sets scripture against scripture is wrong.
or you are wrong.
because no, that's not what Acts 8:14-18 says at all. that is an example of certain men, not a pattern for all people as a law.
but Acts 10-11 gives another example, and didn't you start your post with the example of John the baptizer, who was granted the Holy Spirit before he was even born?
what does this verse say, Russ?
He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
(1 John 5:10)
(1 John 5:10)
and what does this verse say?
On the last and greatest day of the festival, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice,
“Let anyone who is thirsty come to me and drink. Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.”
By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.
(John 7:37-39)
“Let anyone who is thirsty come to me and drink. Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.”
By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.
(John 7:37-39)
God said whoever believes.
i think we shouldn't make Him a liar, don't you? it's His gift to give, after all.
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oh phew...well I sure have had a very busy couple of days and it ain't over until its over haha
anyway....
I am thankful this morning that God is not a liar as posthuman says and I think this passage of scripture from prodigal is very appropriate for the op...which is in agreement with scripture:
As Paul said, in Galatians 1:8
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!
There certainly are enough false gospels around and have been right from Genesis on when the serpect deceived Eve and changed what God has said to her in order to get her to questions what He had said
Did you know nothing has changed? Did you know that false teachers still do the very same thing? They will tell you that you do not really understand what the Bible says and use that as a springboard to insert their deceptive 'doctrines of demons' and seducting spirits and if you don't know what the truth is, if you have not got a big helping of the Bible under the belt, and you do not show yourself a workman approved to God (that is you study and know the truth and you can discern what is false), then chances are you just might fall for one of these false prophets or teachers because they have the ability to appear as light when in fact they are in total darkness!
Don't be accursed by falling for lies! Start studying the Bible today...oh not on of those phoney abaloney sites that the net is bursting with, but with Bible in hand and understand the Bible agrees with itself and the Bible interprets itself. That simply means that scripture is not double minded as are false and less then humble self grandiosing criers and purveyors of the false. The Bible will not say something different when you have questions...it will answer your questions...you might have to work for those answers, but we live in a fallen world and the truth is not unlike the faucets of a gem...the truth is like an uncut gem that you have to realize is there and you have to examine it, study it and be precise when you make that cut and then when it shines through, you polish and polish and polish until you become an expert and you will no longer accept the fakes, no matter how good they are!
Above all else, God understands and He has limitless patience and love and He will never condemn you or prophsy against you as you search for Him with your whole heart! He will draw you to Him by His Spirit...as a believer, you have the Holy Spirit indwelling you.
Do NOT listen to these people who tell you that you need them to prophsy to you or teach you...of course you need teachers which is why God has given both the Holy Spirit and some He has given the gift of teaching. BUT understand that if someone tells you that you are not saved or you do not understand until you speak in tongues, they are preaching a false gospel....only belief in Christ and in what He has done for you is what saves...you belief in HIS righteous, your standing IN Christ Jesus, makes your righteous before God...not another thing!
So, praise God this day and thank Him and pray He leads you into all truth and believe He will do so because that is a prayer that God will ALWAYS answer affirmatively because it IS His will for YOU!
anyway....
I am thankful this morning that God is not a liar as posthuman says and I think this passage of scripture from prodigal is very appropriate for the op...which is in agreement with scripture:
As Paul said, in Galatians 1:8
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!
There certainly are enough false gospels around and have been right from Genesis on when the serpect deceived Eve and changed what God has said to her in order to get her to questions what He had said
Did you know nothing has changed? Did you know that false teachers still do the very same thing? They will tell you that you do not really understand what the Bible says and use that as a springboard to insert their deceptive 'doctrines of demons' and seducting spirits and if you don't know what the truth is, if you have not got a big helping of the Bible under the belt, and you do not show yourself a workman approved to God (that is you study and know the truth and you can discern what is false), then chances are you just might fall for one of these false prophets or teachers because they have the ability to appear as light when in fact they are in total darkness!
Don't be accursed by falling for lies! Start studying the Bible today...oh not on of those phoney abaloney sites that the net is bursting with, but with Bible in hand and understand the Bible agrees with itself and the Bible interprets itself. That simply means that scripture is not double minded as are false and less then humble self grandiosing criers and purveyors of the false. The Bible will not say something different when you have questions...it will answer your questions...you might have to work for those answers, but we live in a fallen world and the truth is not unlike the faucets of a gem...the truth is like an uncut gem that you have to realize is there and you have to examine it, study it and be precise when you make that cut and then when it shines through, you polish and polish and polish until you become an expert and you will no longer accept the fakes, no matter how good they are!
Above all else, God understands and He has limitless patience and love and He will never condemn you or prophsy against you as you search for Him with your whole heart! He will draw you to Him by His Spirit...as a believer, you have the Holy Spirit indwelling you.
Do NOT listen to these people who tell you that you need them to prophsy to you or teach you...of course you need teachers which is why God has given both the Holy Spirit and some He has given the gift of teaching. BUT understand that if someone tells you that you are not saved or you do not understand until you speak in tongues, they are preaching a false gospel....only belief in Christ and in what He has done for you is what saves...you belief in HIS righteous, your standing IN Christ Jesus, makes your righteous before God...not another thing!
So, praise God this day and thank Him and pray He leads you into all truth and believe He will do so because that is a prayer that God will ALWAYS answer affirmatively because it IS His will for YOU!
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[/FONT][FONT="]Originally Posted by RussellJBenigno [/FONT][FONT="]
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(Luke 1:15 [AKJV])
For he [John the Baptist] shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and[/FONT][FONT="] he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]PH: note that there was no human 'laying on of hands' with this one
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[FONT="](me) That’s because the Holy Spirit was not yet poured out:[/FONT]
[FONT="]John 7:[/FONT] [FONT="]38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.[/FONT]
[FONT="]39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: [/FONT][FONT="]for the Holy Ghost was not yet given[/FONT][FONT="]; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
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[/FONT][FONT="]Originally Posted by RussellJBenigno [/FONT][FONT="]
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[FONT="](John 20:21-22 [AKJV])
Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be to you: as my Father has sent me, even so send I you. And when he had said this, [/FONT][FONT="]he breathed on them, and said to them, Receive you the Holy Ghost:
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[FONT="]PH: no laying on of hands here either. [/FONT]
[FONT="](me) No need, Jesus gave the Holy Ghost directly from His own breath.[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
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[/FONT][FONT="]Originally Posted by RussellJBenigno [/FONT][FONT="]
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[FONT="](Acts 1:4-5 [AKJV])
[/FONT][FONT="]Jesus tells the disciples that they too will be baptized with the "Immersion" He was baptized with.[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
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PH: Jesus tells his disciples this in the context of His death, not H[SUB]2[/SUB]O baptism. (Mark 10:32-41) [/FONT]
[FONT="](Me) Russell wasn’t talking about water baptism but Holy Spirit baptism here, immersion being another word for baptism.[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
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[/FONT][FONT="]Originally Posted by RussellJBenigno [/FONT][FONT="]
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(Acts 1:8 [AKJV])
But [/FONT][FONT="]you shall receive power[/FONT][FONT="], after that the Holy Ghost is come on you: and you shall be witnesses to me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and to the uttermost part of the earth.
[/FONT][FONT="]They had the Holy Spirit, but had no power.[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
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PH: before this, [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]Jesus called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out impure spirits and to heal every disease and sickness.[/FONT][FONT="]
(Matthew 10:1) [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]so authority is what's necessary to do miracles, not power - because power belongs to the Lord, not to men. right? [/FONT]
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[FONT="](Me) You need both authority and power which each come by the Holy Ghost.[/FONT]
[FONT="]We are to receive power from on high, i.e., power from the Holy Spirit, otherwise we remain powerless and there can be no signs gifts or miraculous events. Of course the power comes from the Lord and He is happy to give it to His believers. But we have to know it is for us and then receive it.[/FONT]
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[FONT="]The Acts scripture is to the church of which we are also members. The pattern is the same as with the disciples and we are His disciples if we are born again and follow Him.[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
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[/FONT][FONT="]Originally Posted by RussellJBenigno [/FONT][FONT="]
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(Acts 5:32 [UKJV])
And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Spirit, whom [/FONT][FONT="]God has given to them that obey him.[/FONT][FONT="]You have to "Obey God" in order to receive. Those who have the Holy Spirt are witnesses.[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
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PH: yes.[/FONT]
[FONT="]And this is his command:
to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ,
and to love one another as he commanded us.[/FONT][FONT="]
(1 John 3:23)[/FONT]
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so this is what we must obey. to believe in Christ; to love Him, and one another. [/FONT]
[FONT="]That is just the beginning.[/FONT]
[FONT="]…and to do these other things He commands effectively we have to wait to be filled with the power which is the promise of the Father:[/FONT]
[FONT="] Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
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[/FONT][FONT="]Originally Posted by RussellJBenigno [/FONT][FONT="]
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(Acts 8:14-18 [UKJV])[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]PH: one example. see also the counterexample of Cornelius & his house in Acts 10, and Peter's description of it Acts 11 - the Spirit was poured out on these gentiles without baptism, without laying on of hands. with only that they heard the gospel and believed, just as it's written in Ephesians 1.
it's my understanding that interpretation which sets scripture against scripture is wrong. [/FONT]
[FONT="]I received the baptism with the Holy Spirit and subsequent empowerments directly from Jesus without the laying on of hands, but I have laid hands on others who have received[/FONT][FONT="].[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
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[/FONT][FONT="]Originally Posted by RussellJBenigno [/FONT][FONT="]
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[FONT="]So just believing in Jesus does not get you the Holy Spirit. That is what the verse says, or is the verse wrong.[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
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[/FONT][FONT="]PH: or you are wrong.
because no, that's not what Acts 8:14-18 says at all. that is an example of certain men, not a pattern for all people as a law.
but Acts 10-11 gives another example, and didn't you start your post with the example of John the baptizer, who was granted the Holy Spirit before he was even born?
what does this verse say, Russ?[/FONT]
[FONT="]He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself[/FONT][FONT="]: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
[/FONT][FONT="](1 John 5:10)[/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="](me) There is a big difference between receiving the witness of the Holy Spirit and then later receiving the power of the Holy Spirit.[/FONT]
[FONT="]
PH:
and what does this verse say? [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]On the last and greatest day of the festival, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice,
“[/FONT][FONT="]Let anyone who is thirsty come to me and drink. Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.[/FONT][FONT="]”
By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.[/FONT][FONT="]
(John 7:37-39) [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]
God said whoever believes.
i think we shouldn't make Him a liar, don't you? it's His gift to give, after all.
[/FONT]
[FONT="](Me) No one is doing that but some are trying to make God a liar by saying that the manifestations of the power of God do not exist any longer. Dangerous, I agree.
The promise of the Father is to all who are true believers, and the signs follow the believers as Jesus said.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Acts 2:39 (when the power had just been poured out at Pentecost): [/FONT]
[FONT="]"For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call."
All that remains is for those who have not received the promise of power, to know that it is for them, to desire it, and then to receive it.
[/FONT]
[FONT="]
(Luke 1:15 [AKJV])
For he [John the Baptist] shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and[/FONT][FONT="] he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]PH: note that there was no human 'laying on of hands' with this one
[FONT="](me) That’s because the Holy Spirit was not yet poured out:[/FONT]
[FONT="]John 7:[/FONT] [FONT="]38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.[/FONT]
[FONT="]39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: [/FONT][FONT="]for the Holy Ghost was not yet given[/FONT][FONT="]; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]
[FONT="](John 20:21-22 [AKJV])
Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be to you: as my Father has sent me, even so send I you. And when he had said this, [/FONT][FONT="]he breathed on them, and said to them, Receive you the Holy Ghost:
[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]PH: no laying on of hands here either. [/FONT]
[FONT="](me) No need, Jesus gave the Holy Ghost directly from His own breath.[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]
[FONT="](Acts 1:4-5 [AKJV])
[/FONT][FONT="]Jesus tells the disciples that they too will be baptized with the "Immersion" He was baptized with.[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]
PH: Jesus tells his disciples this in the context of His death, not H[SUB]2[/SUB]O baptism. (Mark 10:32-41) [/FONT]
[FONT="](Me) Russell wasn’t talking about water baptism but Holy Spirit baptism here, immersion being another word for baptism.[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]
[FONT="]
(Acts 1:8 [AKJV])
But [/FONT][FONT="]you shall receive power[/FONT][FONT="], after that the Holy Ghost is come on you: and you shall be witnesses to me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and to the uttermost part of the earth.
[/FONT][FONT="]They had the Holy Spirit, but had no power.[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]
PH: before this, [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]Jesus called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out impure spirits and to heal every disease and sickness.[/FONT][FONT="]
(Matthew 10:1) [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]so authority is what's necessary to do miracles, not power - because power belongs to the Lord, not to men. right? [/FONT]
[FONT="]
[/FONT]
[FONT="](Me) You need both authority and power which each come by the Holy Ghost.[/FONT]
[FONT="]We are to receive power from on high, i.e., power from the Holy Spirit, otherwise we remain powerless and there can be no signs gifts or miraculous events. Of course the power comes from the Lord and He is happy to give it to His believers. But we have to know it is for us and then receive it.[/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="]The Acts scripture is to the church of which we are also members. The pattern is the same as with the disciples and we are His disciples if we are born again and follow Him.[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="]
[FONT="]
(Acts 5:32 [UKJV])
And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Spirit, whom [/FONT][FONT="]God has given to them that obey him.[/FONT][FONT="]You have to "Obey God" in order to receive. Those who have the Holy Spirt are witnesses.[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]
PH: yes.[/FONT]
[FONT="]And this is his command:
to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ,
and to love one another as he commanded us.[/FONT][FONT="]
(1 John 3:23)[/FONT]
[FONT="]
so this is what we must obey. to believe in Christ; to love Him, and one another. [/FONT]
[FONT="]That is just the beginning.[/FONT]
[FONT="]…and to do these other things He commands effectively we have to wait to be filled with the power which is the promise of the Father:[/FONT]
[FONT="] Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]
[FONT="]
(Acts 8:14-18 [UKJV])[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]PH: one example. see also the counterexample of Cornelius & his house in Acts 10, and Peter's description of it Acts 11 - the Spirit was poured out on these gentiles without baptism, without laying on of hands. with only that they heard the gospel and believed, just as it's written in Ephesians 1.
it's my understanding that interpretation which sets scripture against scripture is wrong. [/FONT]
[FONT="]I received the baptism with the Holy Spirit and subsequent empowerments directly from Jesus without the laying on of hands, but I have laid hands on others who have received[/FONT][FONT="].[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]
[FONT="]So just believing in Jesus does not get you the Holy Spirit. That is what the verse says, or is the verse wrong.[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]
[/FONT][FONT="]PH: or you are wrong.
because no, that's not what Acts 8:14-18 says at all. that is an example of certain men, not a pattern for all people as a law.
but Acts 10-11 gives another example, and didn't you start your post with the example of John the baptizer, who was granted the Holy Spirit before he was even born?
what does this verse say, Russ?[/FONT]
[FONT="]He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself[/FONT][FONT="]: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
[/FONT][FONT="](1 John 5:10)[/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
[FONT="](me) There is a big difference between receiving the witness of the Holy Spirit and then later receiving the power of the Holy Spirit.[/FONT]
[FONT="]
PH:
and what does this verse say? [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]On the last and greatest day of the festival, Jesus stood and said in a loud voice,
“[/FONT][FONT="]Let anyone who is thirsty come to me and drink. Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.[/FONT][FONT="]”
By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.[/FONT][FONT="]
(John 7:37-39) [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT]
[FONT="]
God said whoever believes.
i think we shouldn't make Him a liar, don't you? it's His gift to give, after all.
[/FONT]
[FONT="](Me) No one is doing that but some are trying to make God a liar by saying that the manifestations of the power of God do not exist any longer. Dangerous, I agree.
The promise of the Father is to all who are true believers, and the signs follow the believers as Jesus said.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Acts 2:39 (when the power had just been poured out at Pentecost): [/FONT]
[FONT="]"For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call."
All that remains is for those who have not received the promise of power, to know that it is for them, to desire it, and then to receive it.
[/FONT]
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Yeah...no, you see, that is not how it really is.
You are on really thin ice with your posturing about some people trying to make God a liar.
Tell us, what are these manifestations you are so eager to put yourself on the line for? Are you perhaps arguing about the manifestations in your own life that we have told you we do not believe are of God?
We do not believe you are a prophet and you and Russell have exemplified behavior that denies the title you give yourself as many in this forum, not just this thread that you crashed, but this entire forum, have established through the word and through the simple witness of that same Holy Spirit you keep telling us we do not have!
This thread is about the dangers of following signs and wonders and manifestations that are not put to the test and do not actually line up with biblical order and revelation. I know that, because I started it and I started it for that express purpose!
Here is what you really seem fascinated with....POW POW POWER!!! your words:
What is the promise? What now? Louder? Can't hear you! It's what? power?
no...the promise is the Holy Spirit...NOT power! The 140 were not waiting for power in the upper room...they were waiting for the promised Holy Spirit...power, happens to be a side effect of the Holy Spirit but it is NOT the promise.
1When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[SUP]a[/SUP] as the Spirit enabled them. Acts 2
The gifts of the Spirit are not power, power to the 2nd and power to the nth and then Jesus returns.
Read the whole chapter of Acts 2 and we do not find what you say ANYWHERE!
Lets' back it up abit to Acts 1
1In my former book, Theophilus, I wrote about all that Jesus began to do and to teach 2until the day he was taken up to heaven, after giving instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles he had chosen. 3After his suffering, he presented himself to them and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God.4On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about.5For John baptized with[SUP]a[/SUP] water, but in a few days you will be baptized with[SUP]b[/SUP] the Holy Spirit.”
Many seek after power and it seems many seek after power by claiming what they think is the biggest office they can grab...prophet...but the Bible says the greatest is to love...not to have power
What do you care about power anyway if you are genuine?
ALL power belongs to Christ and God has given it to Him. That's in the Bible in more than one place by the way.
The power that is promised through the Holy Spirit is not manifestations...the power is for witnessing as scripture states:
but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth. Acts 8
What does that say now? You shall receive power for manifestations?
It says you shall receive power after the Holy Spirit comes upon you AND you shall be my WITNESSES
It's all about Jesus...not your personal self appointed prophetic gifts which are sounding more and more like flat notes on the spiritual scale
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sometimes, it is better to know the evil things first then learned from it.
base on experienced thats it :happy:
and when the light shine upon us
with the the help and mercy of our lord jesus christ and if
that is the will of
our lord god the father who is good and cannot lie
then so be it.
i never meet someone who has a teaching about
``GOD WHO IS GOOD AND CANNOT LIE TO ANYONE ``
purely base from
the holy scriptures.
Titus 1:2
in expectation of everlasting life which Elohim, who does not lie, promised before times of old,
Hebrews 6:18
so that by two unchangeable matters in which it is impossible for Elohim to lie, we might have strong encouragement, we who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the expectation set before us,
Hebrews 11:6
But without belief it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Elohim has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.
1 Timothy 5:25
In the same way, the good works are obvious, while it is impossible to conceal those that are otherwise.
*i do hope someday, somebody needs someone to tell what is the truth
or perhaps they should ask for themselves if the god they worshipped always tells the truth?
``FOR MY LORD GOD IS NOT A LIAR,
EVEN THOUGH I MYSELF
SOMETIMES TELLING A LIE (DEPENDS UPON A SITUATION)
ESPECIALLY WHEN TALKING TO THOSE STRANGERS WHOSE MOTIVES
CAN BE SEEN NOT BY ITS LOOKS AND SPEECHES BUT THROUGH THE
THE THING WE SIMPLY CALL COMMON SENSE!
AND MY SENSES TELLS ME SOMETHING OR SOMEHOW ITMUST BE DONE
BUT NOT MY LORD GOD, BELIEVE IT``
sad to say but it is reality,
most people i meet were teachings outside from the holy bible.
even saying words that so predictable to humans bacause it was
a man made doctrine and those word are just empty hall.
an example of those epic fail dramas.
im very sorry to tell this and hurting someones pride or ego's is not my purpised
but as whAt the scriptures say
Acts 4:20
“For it is impossible for us not to speak of what we saw and heard.”
the word of god cannot be justified by men alone
base on experienced thats it :happy:
and when the light shine upon us
with the the help and mercy of our lord jesus christ and if
that is the will of
our lord god the father who is good and cannot lie
then so be it.
i never meet someone who has a teaching about
``GOD WHO IS GOOD AND CANNOT LIE TO ANYONE ``
purely base from
the holy scriptures.
Titus 1:2
in expectation of everlasting life which Elohim, who does not lie, promised before times of old,
Hebrews 6:18
so that by two unchangeable matters in which it is impossible for Elohim to lie, we might have strong encouragement, we who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the expectation set before us,
Hebrews 11:6
But without belief it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Elohim has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.
1 Timothy 5:25
In the same way, the good works are obvious, while it is impossible to conceal those that are otherwise.
*i do hope someday, somebody needs someone to tell what is the truth
or perhaps they should ask for themselves if the god they worshipped always tells the truth?
``FOR MY LORD GOD IS NOT A LIAR,
EVEN THOUGH I MYSELF
SOMETIMES TELLING A LIE (DEPENDS UPON A SITUATION)
ESPECIALLY WHEN TALKING TO THOSE STRANGERS WHOSE MOTIVES
CAN BE SEEN NOT BY ITS LOOKS AND SPEECHES BUT THROUGH THE
THE THING WE SIMPLY CALL COMMON SENSE!
AND MY SENSES TELLS ME SOMETHING OR SOMEHOW ITMUST BE DONE
BUT NOT MY LORD GOD, BELIEVE IT``
sad to say but it is reality,
most people i meet were teachings outside from the holy bible.
even saying words that so predictable to humans bacause it was
a man made doctrine and those word are just empty hall.
an example of those epic fail dramas.
im very sorry to tell this and hurting someones pride or ego's is not my purpised
but as whAt the scriptures say
Acts 4:20
“For it is impossible for us not to speak of what we saw and heard.”
the word of god cannot be justified by men alone
always as ever
sometimes, it is better to know the evil things first then learned from it.
base on experienced thats it :happy:
and when the light shine upon us
with the the help and mercy of our lord jesus christ and if
that is the will of
our lord god the father who is good and cannot lie
then so be it.
i never meet someone who has a teaching about
``GOD WHO IS GOOD AND HE WHO) CANNOT LIE TO ANYONE ``
purely base from
the holy scriptures.
Titus 1:2
in expectation of everlasting life which Elohim, who does not lie, promised before times of old,
Hebrews 6:18
so that by two unchangeable matters in which it is impossible for Elohim to lie, we might have strong encouragement, we who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the expectation set before us,
Hebrews 11:6
But without belief it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Elohim has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.
1 Timothy 5:25
In the same way, the good works are obvious, while it is impossible to conceal those that are otherwise.
*i do hope someday, somebody needs someone to tell what is the truth
or perhaps they should ask for themselves if the god they worshipped always tells the truth?
``FOR MY LORD GOD IS NOT A LIAR,
EVEN THOUGH I MYSELF
SOMETIMES TELLING A LIE (DEPENDS UPON A SITUATION)
ESPECIALLY WHEN TALKING TO THOSE STRANGERS WHOSE MOTIVES
CAN BE SEEN NOT BY ITS LOOKS AND SPEECHES BUT THROUGH THE
THE THING WE SIMPLY CALL COMMON SENSE!
AND MY SENSES TELLS ME SOMETHING OR SOMEHOW ITMUST BE DONE
BUT NOT ON MY OWN WILL
BUT BY THE WILL OF MY LORD GOD THE TRUTH OF ALL THINGS TO COME
TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVES THAT THEIR IS EVERLASTING LIFE
AS OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST TEACHINGS WHICH ALSO COMES FROM HIM
ACCORDING TO HIS PROMISED` `
James 1:18
Having purposed it, He brought us forth by the Word of truth, for us to be a kind of first-fruits of His creatures.
note: if someone deny the scriptures, ask him first so that he/she may explain the
``truth`` that is within him/her
for that is what most true christian do
ask first and consult as they say
because saying anything coming from our own understanding
but without having an understanding on the situation, sometimes
makes as ignorance.
and that is against the truth wther you like it or not.
sad to say but it is reality,
most people i meet were teachings outside from the holy bible.
even saying words that so predictable to humans bacause it was
a man made doctrine and those word are just empty hall.
an example of those epic fail dramas.
im very sorry to tell this and hurting someones pride or ego's is not my purpised
but as whAt the scriptures say
Acts 4:20
“For it is impossible for us not to speak of what we saw and heard.”
sometimes, it is better to know the evil things first then learned from it.
base on experienced thats it :happy:
and when the light shine upon us
with the the help and mercy of our lord jesus christ and if
that is the will of
our lord god the father who is good and cannot lie
then so be it.
i never meet someone who has a teaching about
``GOD WHO IS GOOD AND HE WHO) CANNOT LIE TO ANYONE ``
purely base from
the holy scriptures.
Titus 1:2
in expectation of everlasting life which Elohim, who does not lie, promised before times of old,
Hebrews 6:18
so that by two unchangeable matters in which it is impossible for Elohim to lie, we might have strong encouragement, we who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the expectation set before us,
Hebrews 11:6
But without belief it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Elohim has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.
1 Timothy 5:25
In the same way, the good works are obvious, while it is impossible to conceal those that are otherwise.
*i do hope someday, somebody needs someone to tell what is the truth
or perhaps they should ask for themselves if the god they worshipped always tells the truth?
``FOR MY LORD GOD IS NOT A LIAR,
EVEN THOUGH I MYSELF
SOMETIMES TELLING A LIE (DEPENDS UPON A SITUATION)
ESPECIALLY WHEN TALKING TO THOSE STRANGERS WHOSE MOTIVES
CAN BE SEEN NOT BY ITS LOOKS AND SPEECHES BUT THROUGH THE
THE THING WE SIMPLY CALL COMMON SENSE!
AND MY SENSES TELLS ME SOMETHING OR SOMEHOW ITMUST BE DONE
BUT NOT ON MY OWN WILL
BUT BY THE WILL OF MY LORD GOD THE TRUTH OF ALL THINGS TO COME
TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVES THAT THEIR IS EVERLASTING LIFE
AS OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST TEACHINGS WHICH ALSO COMES FROM HIM
ACCORDING TO HIS PROMISED` `
James 1:18
Having purposed it, He brought us forth by the Word of truth, for us to be a kind of first-fruits of His creatures.
note: if someone deny the scriptures, ask him first so that he/she may explain the
``truth`` that is within him/her
for that is what most true christian do
ask first and consult as they say
because saying anything coming from our own understanding
but without having an understanding on the situation, sometimes
makes as ignorance.
and that is against the truth wther you like it or not.
sad to say but it is reality,
most people i meet were teachings outside from the holy bible.
even saying words that so predictable to humans bacause it was
a man made doctrine and those word are just empty hall.
an example of those epic fail dramas.
im very sorry to tell this and hurting someones pride or ego's is not my purpised
but as whAt the scriptures say
Acts 4:20
“For it is impossible for us not to speak of what we saw and heard.”
nice thread
always as ever
sometimes, it is better to know the evil things first then learned from it.
base on experienced thats it :happy:
and when the light shine upon us
with the the help and mercy of our lord jesus christ and if
that is the will of
our lord god the father who is good and cannot lie
then so be it.
i never meet someone who has a teaching about
``GOD WHO IS GOOD AND HE WHO) CANNOT LIE TO ANYONE ``
purely base from
the holy scriptures.
Titus 1:2
in expectation of everlasting life which Elohim, who does not lie, promised before times of old,
Hebrews 6:18
so that by two unchangeable matters in which it is impossible for Elohim to lie, we might have strong encouragement, we who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the expectation set before us,
Hebrews 11:6
But without belief it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Elohim has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.
1 Timothy 5:25
In the same way, the good works are obvious, while it is impossible to conceal those that are otherwise.
*i do hope someday, somebody needs someone to tell what is the truth
or perhaps they should ask for themselves if the god they worshipped always tells the truth?
``FOR MY LORD GOD IS NOT A LIAR,
EVEN THOUGH I MYSELF
SOMETIMES TELLING A LIE (DEPENDS UPON A SITUATION)
ESPECIALLY WHEN TALKING TO THOSE STRANGERS WHOSE MOTIVES
CAN BE SEEN NOT BY ITS LOOKS AND SPEECHES BUT THROUGH THE
THE THING WE SIMPLY CALL COMMON SENSE!
AND MY SENSES TELLS ME SOMETHING OR SOMEHOW ITMUST BE DONE
BUT NOT ON MY OWN WILL
BUT BY THE WILL OF MY LORD GOD THE TRUTH OF ALL THINGS TO COME
TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVES THAT THEIR IS EVERLASTING LIFE
AS OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST TEACHINGS WHICH ALSO COMES FROM HIM
ACCORDING TO HIS PROMISED` `
James 1:18
Having purposed it, He brought us forth by the Word of truth, for us to be a kind of first-fruits of His creatures.
note: if someone deny the scriptures, ask him first so that he/she may explain the
``truth`` that is within him/her
for that is what most true christian do
ask first and consult as they say
because saying anything coming from our own understanding
but without having an understanding on the situation, sometimes
makes as ignorance.
and that is against the truth wther you like it or not.
sad to say but it is reality,
most people i meet were teachings outside from the holy bible.
even saying words that so predictable to humans bacause it was
a man made doctrine and those word are just empty hall.
an example of those epic fail dramas.
im very sorry to tell this and hurting someones pride or ego's is not my purposed
but as whAt the scriptures say
Acts 4:20
“For it is impossible for us not to speak of what we saw and heard.”
PS: by the way did anyone here ask
if their was other gods who is good and doesn't lie?
that is before the begginning of everything that was made in this reality of ours :happy:
always as ever
sometimes, it is better to know the evil things first then learned from it.
base on experienced thats it :happy:
and when the light shine upon us
with the the help and mercy of our lord jesus christ and if
that is the will of
our lord god the father who is good and cannot lie
then so be it.
i never meet someone who has a teaching about
``GOD WHO IS GOOD AND HE WHO) CANNOT LIE TO ANYONE ``
purely base from
the holy scriptures.
Titus 1:2
in expectation of everlasting life which Elohim, who does not lie, promised before times of old,
Hebrews 6:18
so that by two unchangeable matters in which it is impossible for Elohim to lie, we might have strong encouragement, we who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the expectation set before us,
Hebrews 11:6
But without belief it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Elohim has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.
1 Timothy 5:25
In the same way, the good works are obvious, while it is impossible to conceal those that are otherwise.
*i do hope someday, somebody needs someone to tell what is the truth
or perhaps they should ask for themselves if the god they worshipped always tells the truth?
``FOR MY LORD GOD IS NOT A LIAR,
EVEN THOUGH I MYSELF
SOMETIMES TELLING A LIE (DEPENDS UPON A SITUATION)
ESPECIALLY WHEN TALKING TO THOSE STRANGERS WHOSE MOTIVES
CAN BE SEEN NOT BY ITS LOOKS AND SPEECHES BUT THROUGH THE
THE THING WE SIMPLY CALL COMMON SENSE!
AND MY SENSES TELLS ME SOMETHING OR SOMEHOW ITMUST BE DONE
BUT NOT ON MY OWN WILL
BUT BY THE WILL OF MY LORD GOD THE TRUTH OF ALL THINGS TO COME
TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVES THAT THEIR IS EVERLASTING LIFE
AS OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST TEACHINGS WHICH ALSO COMES FROM HIM
ACCORDING TO HIS PROMISED` `
James 1:18
Having purposed it, He brought us forth by the Word of truth, for us to be a kind of first-fruits of His creatures.
note: if someone deny the scriptures, ask him first so that he/she may explain the
``truth`` that is within him/her
for that is what most true christian do
ask first and consult as they say
because saying anything coming from our own understanding
but without having an understanding on the situation, sometimes
makes as ignorance.
and that is against the truth wther you like it or not.
sad to say but it is reality,
most people i meet were teachings outside from the holy bible.
even saying words that so predictable to humans bacause it was
a man made doctrine and those word are just empty hall.
an example of those epic fail dramas.
im very sorry to tell this and hurting someones pride or ego's is not my purposed
but as whAt the scriptures say
Acts 4:20
“For it is impossible for us not to speak of what we saw and heard.”
PS: by the way did anyone here ask
if their was other gods who is good and doesn't lie?
that is before the begginning of everything that was made in this reality of ours :happy:
nice thread
always as ever
sometimes, it is better to know the evil things first then learned from it.
base on experienced thats it :happy:
and when the light shine upon us
with the the help and mercy of our lord jesus christ and if
that is the will of
our lord god the father who is good and cannot lie
then so be it.
i never meet someone who has a teaching about
``GOD WHO IS GOOD AND HE WHO) CANNOT LIE TO ANYONE ``
purely base from
the holy scriptures.
Titus 1:2
in expectation of everlasting life which Elohim, who does not lie, promised before times of old,
Hebrews 6:18
so that by two unchangeable matters in which it is impossible for Elohim to lie, we might have strong encouragement, we who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the expectation set before us,
Hebrews 11:6
But without belief it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Elohim has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.
1 Timothy 5:25
In the same way, the good works are obvious, while it is impossible to conceal those that are otherwise.
*i do hope someday, somebody needs someone to tell what is the truth
or perhaps they should ask for themselves if the god they worshipped always tells the truth?
``FOR MY LORD GOD IS NOT A LIAR,
EVEN THOUGH I MYSELF
SOMETIMES TELLING A LIE (DEPENDS UPON A SITUATION)
ESPECIALLY WHEN TALKING TO THOSE STRANGERS WHOSE MOTIVES
CAN BE SEEN NOT BY ITS LOOKS AND SPEECHES BUT THROUGH THE
THE THING WE SIMPLY CALL COMMON SENSE!
AND MY SENSES TELLS ME SOMETHING OR SOMEHOW ITMUST BE DONE
BUT NOT ON MY OWN WILL
BUT BY THE WILL OF MY LORD GOD THE TRUTH OF ALL THINGS TO COME
TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVES THAT THEIR IS EVERLASTING LIFE
AS OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST TEACHINGS WHICH ALSO COMES FROM HIM
ACCORDING TO HIS PROMISED` `
James 1:18
Having purposed it, He brought us forth by the Word of truth, for us to be a kind of first-fruits of His creatures.
note: if someone deny the scriptures, ask him first so that he/she may explain the
``truth`` that is within him/her
for that is what most true christian do
ask first and consult as they say
because saying anything coming from our own understanding
but without having an understanding on the situation, sometimes
makes as ignorance.
and that is against the truth wther you like it or not.
sad to say but it is reality,
most people i meet were teachings outside from the holy bible.
even saying words that so predictable to humans bacause it was
a man made doctrine and those word are just empty hall.
an example of those epic fail dramas.
im very sorry to tell this and hurting someones pride or ego's is not my purposed
but as whAt the scriptures say
Acts 4:20
“For it is impossible for us not to speak of what we saw and heard.”
PS: by the way did anyone here ask
if their was other gods who is good and doesn't lie?
that is before the begginning of everything that was made in this reality of ours :happy:
always as ever
sometimes, it is better to know the evil things first then learned from it.
base on experienced thats it :happy:
and when the light shine upon us
with the the help and mercy of our lord jesus christ and if
that is the will of
our lord god the father who is good and cannot lie
then so be it.
i never meet someone who has a teaching about
``GOD WHO IS GOOD AND HE WHO) CANNOT LIE TO ANYONE ``
purely base from
the holy scriptures.
Titus 1:2
in expectation of everlasting life which Elohim, who does not lie, promised before times of old,
Hebrews 6:18
so that by two unchangeable matters in which it is impossible for Elohim to lie, we might have strong encouragement, we who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the expectation set before us,
Hebrews 11:6
But without belief it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Elohim has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.
1 Timothy 5:25
In the same way, the good works are obvious, while it is impossible to conceal those that are otherwise.
*i do hope someday, somebody needs someone to tell what is the truth
or perhaps they should ask for themselves if the god they worshipped always tells the truth?
``FOR MY LORD GOD IS NOT A LIAR,
EVEN THOUGH I MYSELF
SOMETIMES TELLING A LIE (DEPENDS UPON A SITUATION)
ESPECIALLY WHEN TALKING TO THOSE STRANGERS WHOSE MOTIVES
CAN BE SEEN NOT BY ITS LOOKS AND SPEECHES BUT THROUGH THE
THE THING WE SIMPLY CALL COMMON SENSE!
AND MY SENSES TELLS ME SOMETHING OR SOMEHOW ITMUST BE DONE
BUT NOT ON MY OWN WILL
BUT BY THE WILL OF MY LORD GOD THE TRUTH OF ALL THINGS TO COME
TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVES THAT THEIR IS EVERLASTING LIFE
AS OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST TEACHINGS WHICH ALSO COMES FROM HIM
ACCORDING TO HIS PROMISED` `
James 1:18
Having purposed it, He brought us forth by the Word of truth, for us to be a kind of first-fruits of His creatures.
note: if someone deny the scriptures, ask him first so that he/she may explain the
``truth`` that is within him/her
for that is what most true christian do
ask first and consult as they say
because saying anything coming from our own understanding
but without having an understanding on the situation, sometimes
makes as ignorance.
and that is against the truth wther you like it or not.
sad to say but it is reality,
most people i meet were teachings outside from the holy bible.
even saying words that so predictable to humans bacause it was
a man made doctrine and those word are just empty hall.
an example of those epic fail dramas.
im very sorry to tell this and hurting someones pride or ego's is not my purposed
but as whAt the scriptures say
Acts 4:20
“For it is impossible for us not to speak of what we saw and heard.”
PS: by the way did anyone here ask
if their was other gods who is good and doesn't lie?
that is before the begginning of everything that was made in this reality of ours :happy:
(convallaria) There is a big difference between receiving the witness of the Holy Spirit and then later receiving the power of the Holy Spirit.
(post) sure. but that's not what i was talking about, and not what Russel said, that i contest.
(Russell) So just believing in Jesus does not get you the Holy Spirit.
(Jesus) whoever believes, rivers of living water will flow out of them. (speaking of the Holy Spirit)
(John) whoever believes has the Spirit in them (that Witness)
(Paul) whoever believes was sealed with the Spirit when they heard & believed
(Luke) as Cornelius and those gathered in his house heard Peter speaking and believed what they heard, the Holy Spirit was poured out on them and they began manifesting miraculous signs and praising God. (without laying on of human hands. without immersion by human hands. without any act of obedience apart from one: to believe)
(post) see the difference?
(Russell) believing in Jesus does not get you the Holy Spirit.
(The Bible) believing in Jesus is enough to receive the Holy Spirit.
measure & power is another thing.
either Russell misspoke, or what he's saying is very different from the gospel that the scripture teaches. subtly different, mixed with & misdirected by truth, but still different.
(post) sure. but that's not what i was talking about, and not what Russel said, that i contest.
(Russell) So just believing in Jesus does not get you the Holy Spirit.
(Jesus) whoever believes, rivers of living water will flow out of them. (speaking of the Holy Spirit)
(John) whoever believes has the Spirit in them (that Witness)
(Paul) whoever believes was sealed with the Spirit when they heard & believed
(Luke) as Cornelius and those gathered in his house heard Peter speaking and believed what they heard, the Holy Spirit was poured out on them and they began manifesting miraculous signs and praising God. (without laying on of human hands. without immersion by human hands. without any act of obedience apart from one: to believe)
(post) see the difference?
(Russell) believing in Jesus does not get you the Holy Spirit.
(The Bible) believing in Jesus is enough to receive the Holy Spirit.
measure & power is another thing.
either Russell misspoke, or what he's saying is very different from the gospel that the scripture teaches. subtly different, mixed with & misdirected by truth, but still different.
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good morning to all,
Luke 18:18
And a certain ruler asked Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit everlasting life?”
19 So יהושע said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except One – Elohim.
Matthew 19:16
And see, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good shall I do to have everlasting life?”
17 And He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except One – Elohim. But if you wish to enter into life, guard the commands.”c
18 He said to Him, “Which?” And יהושע said, “ ‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’
19 ‘Respect your father and your mother,’ and ‘You shall love your neighbour as yourself.’ ”
Mark 10:18
And יהושע said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except One – Elohim.
John 7:16
יהושע answered them and said, “My teaching is not Mine, but His who sent Me.
16 יהושע answered them and said, “My teaching is not Mine, but His who sent Me.a
17 “If anyone desires to do His desire, he shall know concerning the teaching, whether it is from Elohim, or whether I speak from Myself.
18 “He who speaks from himself is seeking his own esteem, but He who seeks the esteem of the One who sent Him is true, and no unrighteousness is in Him.
praise be to god
thank you very much my breathrens :smoke: and my fellows :happy:
Luke 18:18
And a certain ruler asked Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit everlasting life?”
19 So יהושע said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except One – Elohim.
Matthew 19:16
And see, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good shall I do to have everlasting life?”
17 And He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except One – Elohim. But if you wish to enter into life, guard the commands.”c
18 He said to Him, “Which?” And יהושע said, “ ‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not bear false witness,’
19 ‘Respect your father and your mother,’ and ‘You shall love your neighbour as yourself.’ ”
Mark 10:18
And יהושע said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except One – Elohim.
John 7:16
יהושע answered them and said, “My teaching is not Mine, but His who sent Me.
16 יהושע answered them and said, “My teaching is not Mine, but His who sent Me.a
17 “If anyone desires to do His desire, he shall know concerning the teaching, whether it is from Elohim, or whether I speak from Myself.
18 “He who speaks from himself is seeking his own esteem, but He who seeks the esteem of the One who sent Him is true, and no unrighteousness is in Him.
praise be to god
thank you very much my breathrens :smoke: and my fellows :happy:
How wrong can you get? At the large words in the above quote. What a perversion of the truth of the Holy Spirit in each one of us, from the day of salvation by self appointed prophets! Unbelievable!
"You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him." Romans 8:9
"Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." John 3:5
Both these Scriptures confirm - if you are born again, you are filled with the Holy Spirit. Very sad, the lack of Biblical knowledge you have!
I think before you set yourself up as a prophet, you need to learn the biblical basics. Try reading the Bible straight through from cover to cover 10 or 50 times. And don't forget to memorize, mediate on the whole Bible, not ust these few verses in Acts.
I would also tell you to go beyond Acts which is the history of the church of Jesus Christ. There is no doubt that God poured out his Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost and thousands were saved. There is no doubt the church continued to spread, through the power of the Holy Spirit. It does continue to spread to this day! In spite of persecution and a lazy, self obssessed western church, which glorifies self and experiences, not God!
But the Bible is so much richer and deeper than just Acts 1 and even Acts 2. It is the journey of God with his people. Correcting them, leading them, but the more overt signs and wonders which happened on the Day of Pentecost dying out.
For instance, why don't charismatics (no insult intended, Ember) never seem to quote this verse as their evidence for modern day signs:
"And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. 3 And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and rested on each one." Acts 2:1-3
Why don't people like you, cite examples of a rushing wind, or divided tongues of fire as the evidence for the "Baptism of the Holy Spirit?" Why, because THEY DON'T HAPPEN ANY MORE! In fact, these signs were given for the birth of the church. Not so people in the 21st century would ignore the whole counsel of God, and focus on a few chapters of one book of the Bible.
As for you being a prophet, well, you would just have to show me that you knew a little more of the Bible to qualify for that office. Like the rest of the NT (besides Acts) and the whole OT. Because a prophet has to know God's Word inside out and backwards and forwards, to be sure he is not contradicting what God has written. And you apparently do not have much of a knowledge of the Bible, outside your self-aggrandizing Scriptures.
"You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him." Romans 8:9
"Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." John 3:5
Both these Scriptures confirm - if you are born again, you are filled with the Holy Spirit. Very sad, the lack of Biblical knowledge you have!
I think before you set yourself up as a prophet, you need to learn the biblical basics. Try reading the Bible straight through from cover to cover 10 or 50 times. And don't forget to memorize, mediate on the whole Bible, not ust these few verses in Acts.
I would also tell you to go beyond Acts which is the history of the church of Jesus Christ. There is no doubt that God poured out his Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost and thousands were saved. There is no doubt the church continued to spread, through the power of the Holy Spirit. It does continue to spread to this day! In spite of persecution and a lazy, self obssessed western church, which glorifies self and experiences, not God!
But the Bible is so much richer and deeper than just Acts 1 and even Acts 2. It is the journey of God with his people. Correcting them, leading them, but the more overt signs and wonders which happened on the Day of Pentecost dying out.
For instance, why don't charismatics (no insult intended, Ember) never seem to quote this verse as their evidence for modern day signs:
"And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. 3 And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and rested on each one." Acts 2:1-3
Why don't people like you, cite examples of a rushing wind, or divided tongues of fire as the evidence for the "Baptism of the Holy Spirit?" Why, because THEY DON'T HAPPEN ANY MORE! In fact, these signs were given for the birth of the church. Not so people in the 21st century would ignore the whole counsel of God, and focus on a few chapters of one book of the Bible.
As for you being a prophet, well, you would just have to show me that you knew a little more of the Bible to qualify for that office. Like the rest of the NT (besides Acts) and the whole OT. Because a prophet has to know God's Word inside out and backwards and forwards, to be sure he is not contradicting what God has written. And you apparently do not have much of a knowledge of the Bible, outside your self-aggrandizing Scriptures.
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Acts 10 verse 44 talks about people receiving the Holy spirit by just hearing and accepting the gospel without the laying of hands.
All believers are called to be Oracle's for God...repent for the kingdom of God is at hand. Jesus died on the cross for the forgiveness of our sins and rose again on the third day....that is the milk,,,,when will we move on to the meat: discerning good from evil? Showing fruits of walking with God and His indwelling Holy spirit? Being of one body and helping the world see, feel, know His love and peace and joy?
All believers are called to be Oracle's for God...repent for the kingdom of God is at hand. Jesus died on the cross for the forgiveness of our sins and rose again on the third day....that is the milk,,,,when will we move on to the meat: discerning good from evil? Showing fruits of walking with God and His indwelling Holy spirit? Being of one body and helping the world see, feel, know His love and peace and joy?
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Hebrews 5 v. 12-15
How do you know a true prophet from a false?
True prophets repeat what God's message has always been...salvation through grace and faith in our Redeemer.
False prophets are constantly talking about them, or you, or works or power.
That's what the Bible reveals whenever I read it at least.
How do you know a true prophet from a false?
True prophets repeat what God's message has always been...salvation through grace and faith in our Redeemer.
False prophets are constantly talking about them, or you, or works or power.
That's what the Bible reveals whenever I read it at least.