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I follow Dr Berry even though I don't follow his carnivore diet. He teaches so much practical information that I think others can benefit from. Dr Peter Osborne is another who, although not carnivore, is the author of Grain Free, Pain Free. He is a research machine at explaining many pathogens in food, especially grains. I take his weekly classes and correspond regularly. Both of those physicians are top quality plus good teachers.
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My late second wife had a severe form of that disease for most of her life. It developed into psoriatic arthritis which eventually severely limited her mobility. Tried my best to comfort her with her pain. Despite pain killers she still suffered. Very sad. Eventually prematurely ended her life. I pray that your condition is not that severe.
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Well, I don't know how you feel about medicine but I've used calcipotriene (D3) before and it works amazingly well (compared to hydrocortisone which you need the prescription strength as OTC will NOT work). I usually debate long and hard about using medication but I can't see any real issues with this one.
Calcipotriene "is" vitamin D3 derivative and it is unique in that it is the only cream (gel/petrol) that is the closest thing to natural sunlight (outside cod liver oil or some other supplement).
The biggest issue is that it's quite expensive for large areas (or even small areas). I think last I checked it was $300 without insurance as opposed to $11 for hydrocortisone (the prescription strength). Hydrocortisone does work to just keep it "in check" but like I said, prescription strength/formulation.
Natural sunlight works great with some type of moisturizer but the scalp, back of legs, or any other hard to tan area I think you need a boost of some kind. I had a lady that gave me a Vitamin A, E & K cream that instantly soothed irritated skin and it brought down inflammation (this was before) but it's certainly something to look into.
You could also try making a cream with beeswax or aloe vera gel and mix in some avocado oil (it's super simple to make with coconut oil) and try that out. That won't get you vitamin D but you "could" try making a cod liver oil cream/lotion but I'm not sure about transdermal absorption...
In theory, cod liver oil lotion/cream "should" be quite similar to calcipotriene (dovonex) and I don't think there's any risks whatsoever except that you might smell "fishy".
Of course, you will want to find a quality supplier and this may take some trial and error.
Anyway, this came back to mind to post on it after I had forgotten so take it for what it's worth. I've tried bunches of stuff and have had it rather terribly before.
There's a whole lot more info I've picked up about what exacerbates it and what doesn't but unless you smoke/drink/vape OR eat highly inflammatory foods I'd start with D3 if you haven't. It was something of an answer to prayer for me. Not "how" I wanted it answered but that brings up another discussion. Not sure if this advice works for all types though.
Calcipotriene "is" vitamin D3 derivative and it is unique in that it is the only cream (gel/petrol) that is the closest thing to natural sunlight (outside cod liver oil or some other supplement).
The biggest issue is that it's quite expensive for large areas (or even small areas). I think last I checked it was $300 without insurance as opposed to $11 for hydrocortisone (the prescription strength). Hydrocortisone does work to just keep it "in check" but like I said, prescription strength/formulation.
Natural sunlight works great with some type of moisturizer but the scalp, back of legs, or any other hard to tan area I think you need a boost of some kind. I had a lady that gave me a Vitamin A, E & K cream that instantly soothed irritated skin and it brought down inflammation (this was before) but it's certainly something to look into.
You could also try making a cream with beeswax or aloe vera gel and mix in some avocado oil (it's super simple to make with coconut oil) and try that out. That won't get you vitamin D but you "could" try making a cod liver oil cream/lotion but I'm not sure about transdermal absorption...
In theory, cod liver oil lotion/cream "should" be quite similar to calcipotriene (dovonex) and I don't think there's any risks whatsoever except that you might smell "fishy".
Of course, you will want to find a quality supplier and this may take some trial and error.
Anyway, this came back to mind to post on it after I had forgotten so take it for what it's worth. I've tried bunches of stuff and have had it rather terribly before.
There's a whole lot more info I've picked up about what exacerbates it and what doesn't but unless you smoke/drink/vape OR eat highly inflammatory foods I'd start with D3 if you haven't. It was something of an answer to prayer for me. Not "how" I wanted it answered but that brings up another discussion. Not sure if this advice works for all types though.
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When I take a supplement it keeps it from getting inflamed but without direct localized application I can't get it to go into remission except with an easy area like the face (since that's easy to tan). I always applied it more than they said and was "religious" about it. The main thing is to keep applying even when it appears to be gone (assuming you have product left) for a few days or a week (I took that from antibiotic SOP and it seems to bear out).
Also, not sure why you brought up shingles but interestingly there IS a potential link between the two that I had the idea about when I was typing the first post.
I'm not sure how vaccines work with already having had varicella. I know that natural immunity is officially recognized for that particular virus (as a reason for not getting the vaccine) but perhaps if you expected to get another case of shingles you "could" prime your system with a toothless version of it prior and that "might" help...idk that's a tough one
I could link a few scholarly articles about the potential connection to varicella if you like, because that's the only thing that I had (age 6) and got my first case of psoriasis (age 7 or 8). Not sure what made me think of it but it's kinda cool.
@Poinsetta this is an attempt at mutli-reply lol, apologies if it's a bit hasty.
Also, not sure why you brought up shingles but interestingly there IS a potential link between the two that I had the idea about when I was typing the first post.
I'm not sure how vaccines work with already having had varicella. I know that natural immunity is officially recognized for that particular virus (as a reason for not getting the vaccine) but perhaps if you expected to get another case of shingles you "could" prime your system with a toothless version of it prior and that "might" help...idk that's a tough one
I could link a few scholarly articles about the potential connection to varicella if you like, because that's the only thing that I had (age 6) and got my first case of psoriasis (age 7 or 8). Not sure what made me think of it but it's kinda cool.
@Poinsetta this is an attempt at mutli-reply lol, apologies if it's a bit hasty.
When I take a supplement it keeps it from getting inflamed but without direct localized application I can't get it to go into remission except with an easy area like the face (since that's easy to tan). I always applied it more than they said and was "religious" about it. The main thing is to keep applying even when it appears to be gone (assuming you have product left) for a few days or a week (I took that from antibiotic SOP and it seems to bear out).
Also, not sure why you brought up shingles but interestingly there IS a potential link between the two that I had the idea about when I was typing the first post.
I'm not sure how vaccines work with already having had varicella. I know that natural immunity is officially recognized for that particular virus (as a reason for not getting the vaccine) but perhaps if you expected to get another case of shingles you "could" prime your system with a toothless version of it prior and that "might" help...idk that's a tough one
I could link a few scholarly articles about the potential connection to varicella if you like, because that's the only thing that I had (age 6) and got my first case of psoriasis (age 7 or 8). Not sure what made me think of it but it's kinda cool.
@Poinsetta this is an attempt at mutli-reply lol, apologies if it's a bit hasty.
Also, not sure why you brought up shingles but interestingly there IS a potential link between the two that I had the idea about when I was typing the first post.
I'm not sure how vaccines work with already having had varicella. I know that natural immunity is officially recognized for that particular virus (as a reason for not getting the vaccine) but perhaps if you expected to get another case of shingles you "could" prime your system with a toothless version of it prior and that "might" help...idk that's a tough one
I could link a few scholarly articles about the potential connection to varicella if you like, because that's the only thing that I had (age 6) and got my first case of psoriasis (age 7 or 8). Not sure what made me think of it but it's kinda cool.
@Poinsetta this is an attempt at mutli-reply lol, apologies if it's a bit hasty.
It depends on what he means. Collodial oatmeal I've heard of but I don't recall if I ever tried it. Regular oatmeal baths I guess could help since they certainly sooth bad cases of poison ivy (I've had 3 extreme cases)...for those I had to eventually resort to steroids but I don't use medication as a first resort usually.
Apparently collodial oatmeal is just finely ground...you can put regular oats in a sock or something (which is weird) but it works. It'd help with itching at least
Apparently collodial oatmeal is just finely ground...you can put regular oats in a sock or something (which is weird) but it works. It'd help with itching at least
Hi Poinsetta, I have searched medical databases on psoriasis, it is a complex autoimmune disease, usually it means that your immune system can attacks itself, it is well known that vitamin D3 helps in regulating the immune system. supplementation may work or not it depends but hard to say for everyone is different. I will avoid the complex details but discuss with your MD if it can be valid in your case , first get your levels of vit D. checked, also get your thyroid checked, it could be a part of the problem.
there are new therapies fort treatment, I include the link to a recent review of psoriasis including treatments, it is worth printing and discuss with your MD ( they are sometimes not aware of new therapies available)
Info links;
review article; https://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/20/6/1475
Vit D supp. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32340428/. Other links available on that link page
thyroid and psoriasis: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33585138/
let me know if you need more info, i will be glad to help
there are new therapies fort treatment, I include the link to a recent review of psoriasis including treatments, it is worth printing and discuss with your MD ( they are sometimes not aware of new therapies available)
Info links;
review article; https://www.mdpi.com/1422-0067/20/6/1475
Vit D supp. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32340428/. Other links available on that link page
thyroid and psoriasis: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33585138/
let me know if you need more info, i will be glad to help