Purpose

[tourist]

is just that, need.
GOD HAS NEVER BEEN HUNGRY ARE LONELY.

I'm sure that Jesus got hungry while fasting for 40 days and nights in the desert, otherwise why would Satan tempt Him by taunting Him to turn stones into bread. Don't know for sure if God was ever lonely but He did say in Genesis that it's not good for man to be alone. Jesus understands the human condition quite well so He probably was lonely during stretches of His life on earth, otherwise how could He understand loneliness. He certainly felt isolated too. Jesus wept. He couldn't take the crap down here either.

 

[PERFECTION]

I'm sure that Jesus got hungry while fasting for 40 days and nights in the desert, otherwise why would Satan tempt Him by taunting Him to turn stones into bread. Don't know for sure if God was ever lonely but He did say in Genesis that it's not good for man to be alone. Jesus understands the human condition quite well so He probably was lonely during stretches of His life on earth, otherwise how could He understand loneliness. He certainly felt isolated too. Jesus wept. He couldn't take the crap down here either.

We have switched the subject from the Farther to the Son.

As far as the Father understanding the condition of man, well the understanding of the Father is without measure .
If on the other hand we consider the humanity of Jesus, thats the color of a different horse.
The Father commended His only Son to present Himself as a sacrifice for all of humanity.
Was it possible that Jesus could have failed in carrying out this command from His Father?
The fact is The Father new before He laid the foundation of this world what the outcome would be. He cant help it He's God and nothing is beyond His knowledge.
Man down through the ages has elevated himself to the point where he believes His thoughts are like Gods thoughts. The intellect of man has finally entered the last dispensation.

 

[tourist]

We have switched the subject from the Farther to the Son.

As far as the Father understanding the condition of man, well the understanding of the Father is without measure .
If on the other hand we consider the humanity of Jesus, thats the color of a different horse.
The Father commended His only Son to present Himself as a sacrifice for all of humanity.
Was it possible that Jesus could have failed in carrying out this command from His Father?
The fact is The Father new before He laid the foundation of this world what the outcome would be. He cant help it He's God and nothing is beyond His knowledge.
Man down through the ages has elevated himself to the point where he believes His thoughts are like Gods thoughts. The intellect of man has finally entered the last dispensation.

You believe that God does not get lonely or hungry but Jesus certainly experienced both and He is God.

 

[PERFECTION]

You believe that God does not get lonely or hungry but Jesus certainly experienced both and He is God.

You believe that God does not get lonely or hungry but Jesus certainly experienced both and He is God.[/QUOTE
It does not matter what I believe. The fact is God The Father is perfect in every way.
When the fullness of time had come for The Messiah to appear God was back to the same place He was when Adam felled.
It was a matter of whether Jesus could succeed where Adam had felled. Could He overcome all the temptations of the greatest enemy of God in this world. Mans flesh. If it were not enough for Him to battle His flesh, satin was always there trying to bring doubt. The exact same method he used in the garden against Adam. Yes Jesus suffered all the things we suffer everyday. But remember this WHEN IT WAS OVER......IT WAS OVER.Now comes the next dispensation. The resurrection of the Body of Christ or what we call The Bride of Christ or the "Church". This Bride must be prepared to be presented to the Father PERFECT AND WITHOUT BLEMISH
The point here is we know Jesus was as The Father is from the beginning until His time came to be offered up. Jesus obeying the command of His Father took upon himself the likeness of sinful man. Before He came into this world as a man He was as His Father. Never lacking in anything. Remember Jesus could have summoned 10,000 angles to His side at any time.when only one would have been enough.
Back one more time. The Father, The Son, And The Holy Spirit, have need of nothing. How can they lack in anything when the very words from Their mouth create as they come forth? Omnipresent, Omnipotent, Omniscient, What else can be said?

 

[Grace911]

Purpose? God wanted to have fellowship with His creation. Satan succeeded getting man (and woman) and family thrown out of the garden where they had walked and talked with YHWY (the LORD). God was close to the Israelites (all 12 tribes) through the wilderness experience after leaving Egypt. He said He gave them INSTRUCTIONS (now most of the church calls it THE LAW) how to live in harmony with the creator and in harmony with each other. 2Ti_3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
The LORD divorced the Northern Ten Tribes and they were scattered throughout the earth, to forget who they are and who God is to them. Jesus came to restore "the lost sheep of the House of Israel". After 721 BC through the present day, we Christians seriously have no clue if we are from the lost tribes nor do the majority even care. Before Jesus ascended to heaven, He had the following conversation with His disciples.
Act_1:3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
Act_1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
What is the purpose of Jesus' Second Coming? To restore the Temple and Rule with an iron rod so that He can teach us what the Law of Moses was all about? Some believers will be in positions of kingship and some priests. Why have either in the Millennial Kingdom?

 

[PERFECTION]

Dear OneOfHis: Sadly I am out of breath. I simply ask you to produce scripture that teaches satin at one time was (for lack of a better word) was Good.
You offer me your interpretation , which falls in line with traditional interpretation , so I am assuming your belief is founded in what the traditional theologians teach.
Just so you know (not that it makes any difference) I have sat under these DRs of theology who teach this same interpretation.
And they like you, when challenged , react the same way ,which is, never mind what the scripture really says......there are millions who accept our interpretation so it has to be right.
So, why is this issue so important anyway?
Because when we set our battle in array we must first know our enemy.
Remember, from the beginning until now, the Kingdom of God suffers violence and the violent take it by force.
Are your weapons engaged in battle?

Be that what it may, I'm done,.. take what you have and run with it. But remember this, anyone who rejects a particular truth in scripture not only looses that truth but every truth which tied to the original foundation.
Good luck fighting an enemy that is already defeated.

 

[PERFECTION]

We are without a doubt shallow and to be pitted we who are created in the very image of God Himself, yet we know not why.

 

[OneOfHis]

Dear OneOfHis: Sadly I am out of breath. I simply ask you to produce scripture that teaches satin at one time was (for lack of a better word) was Good.
You offer me your interpretation , which falls in line with traditional interpretation , so I am assuming your belief is founded in what the traditional theologians teach.
Just so you know (not that it makes any difference) I have sat under these DRs of theology who teach this same interpretation.
And they like you, when challenged , react the same way ,which is, never mind what the scripture really says......there are millions who accept our interpretation so it has to be right.
So, why is this issue so important anyway?
Because when we set our battle in array we must first know our enemy.
Remember, from the beginning until now, the Kingdom of God suffers violence and the violent take it by force.
Are your weapons engaged in battle?

Be that what it may, I'm done,.. take what you have and run with it. But remember this, anyone who rejects a particular truth in scripture not only looses that truth but every truth which tied to the original foundation.
Good luck fighting an enemy that is already defeated.

Why are you still addressing me?
Look... I answered all of your questions while you kept coming back at me with falsehoods and strawmen.

I was not offended but when you say silly ridiculous things like


"Good luck fighting an enemy that is already defeated."

Don't expect to be taken seriously.

What enemy?
Who do you claim I am fighting?


goodness

please if you can't be real just leave me alone already.


Tired of the false accusations, poor understanding of scripture, and questions you ask hoping for an answer you have already in your mind....

 

[PERFECTION]

Why are you still addressing me?
Look... I answered all of your questions while you kept coming back at me with falsehoods and strawmen.

I was not offended but when you say silly ridiculous things like


"Good luck fighting an enemy that is already defeated."

Don't expect to be taken seriously.

What enemy?
Who do you claim I am fighting?


goodness

please if you can't be real just leave me alone already.


Tired of the false accusations, poor understanding of scripture, and questions you ask hoping for an answer you have already in your mind....

Why should I leave you along? Have you convictions run aground?

 

[OneOfHis]

Why should I leave you along? Have you convictions run aground?

Why would you continue rambling nonsense to someone who calls you out on it?🤔


I've answered your questions, you then dance around the topics at hand and answer none of mine.

 

[OneOfHis]

There is one problem that might play apart here some believe that all evil comes from satin.

^Your first strawman towards me.
Which I answered in detail. (as well as every other point you made)


(no one here was arguing for whatever it is you're speaking against)

How can I be in Christ Jesus and not be what He is?
Why is it so diffuicult to belive those who are born of the Spirit are one IN Christ.

Your second strawman against me which also has just you swinging at air for no reason.

Where have you read in the scripture that satin is a fallen angle.?

This you posted after me needing to ask you on many occasions if you believe Jesus is God when you claimed to be His equal.


vvvv (how I responded)

I am not sure if scripture speaks of that particular fabric or geometrical shape.
😃

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Revelation 12:9 - And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
________
Job Chapter 2

1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
__________
2 Corinthians 11:14 - And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
________
Luke 10:18

“And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.”

_______
Ezekiel 28
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
______

🤔
Could you please be more direct with your points.

I won't walk into a trap.


If you by any chance have a very unique point of view on scriptures, please explain it.

Please do not avoid simple questions or ask loaded questions.


From our talk so far you give me the impression you want to believe you are God in some context, or equal to Him in some way.

On top of that you seem to deny that when our modern bible says "lucifer" it is not speaking of the who we could call 'satan' (the enemy) or the first fallen angel known as the devil.

But because of the way you speak, you leave openings and make it hard to see what you mean.


(i understand satan is also a title of the enemy, and there are many devils, but this is another discussion i believe)

You've done nothing but post wacky ideas and questions then wag your finger at anyone who disagrees with your position while keeping your position in the shadows....

You then make worthless statements like....

You seem to have a great deal of difficulty when it comes to discussion of scripture.In all you have mentioned above you cannot bring yourself to realize the fact that know where does it say or insinuate that satan is a fallen angle nor does it say or insinuate that Lucifer and satan are one in the same. If you believe that satan is a fallen angle then you must believe there was or is provided for him an avenue of redemption . You must also believe that God was and is powerless to deal with this creatures disobedience. You are aware that angles are not freewill creatures? No the truth is satan along with his horde was created as a lier,killer, destroyer.He has no power except that which God gives him. There was a time when the Sons of God presented themselves to God and satan was allowed to be present to accuse . At some point God ended this process and cast satan and his hordes to the earth. Now neither man nor devil are allowed to come into His presence until the dispensation has been made full.

Let me leave you with this question IF satan is a rebellious angle why does God not take away his power? Is God powerless to deal with this evil? Is God indifferent to the suffering satan brings on humanity . You cant walk down the middle of the fence either you believe satan is a rebellious angle who inflicts suffering on Christians and who God seems to have no power to control, or satan was created to do just what he does and we have been given power to control his influence over us. Again you cannot say satan as a fallen angle came to the earth with all his evil and God gave us the job of fighting him. And how is it that satan all of a sudden and had of these demons at his command and all of a sudden he came into the knowledge of what evil is. When Adam and Eve ate from the tree of the knowledge of evil they did not take on the evil nature of satan. So again why did God not deal with this "fallen angle " right from the start. Your ideas are contrary to the knowledge and power of God

To which I replied...v

Only with people who dance around the topics at hand to play into thier own agenda.




A lot of words... not one addresses the scriptures...

I will repost for you🙂

Revelation 12:9 - And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
________
Job Chapter 2

1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
__________
2 Corinthians 11:14 - And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
________
Luke 10:18

“And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.”

_______
Ezekiel 28
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.




Lol we can have a back and forth all day but this is silly, it is like asking "why does God allow murder"....

Your questions seem ridiculous to me and are filled with presuppositions I disagree with entirely.


(also satin is not satan, angles are not angels, and no one here would suggest God is powerless, your strawmen are pointless and weak arguments that hold no more weight than someone in unbelief saying "if God loves the world why is there cancer" or "why do Christians suffer if there is a God")

Be genuine if you want to debate, but silly strawmen and presuppositions will be dealt with as such.

Then when I ask you to leave me alone if you won't be genuine.... you made another silly and ridiculous statement about me being convicted...😧


No, not about one powerless word you've said.... just tired of talking to someone who doesn't care enough to be a real person in conversation.

 

[PERFECTION]

^Your first strawman towards me.
Which I answered in detail. (as well as every other point you made)


(no one here was arguing for whatever it is you're speaking against)



Your second strawman against me which also has just you swinging at air for no reason.




This you posted after me needing to ask you on many occasions if you believe Jesus is God when you claimed to be His equal.


vvvv (how I responded)




You've done nothing but post wacky ideas and questions then wag your finger at anyone who disagrees with your position while keeping your position in the shadows....

You then make worthless statements like....



To which I replied...v



Then when I ask you to leave me alone if you won't be genuine.... you made another silly and ridiculous statement about me being convicted...😧


No, not about one powerless word you've said.... just tired of talking to someone who doesn't care enough to be a real person in conversation.

Dear OneofHison: Forgive me for not being skilled as you in using the format of this sight. You have labeled me a "strawman" If that means I have offended you then I apologize.

This conversation started, as best I can recall, when you took exception to , what I declared to be my relationship with God.
I professed to be in Christ, therefore, when God sees me He sees what I am in Christ.
You challenged this profession saying that I am making myself equal with God in making it.

Correct me if I am wrong, next came the discussion about satin as a fallen angle. You gave me your interpretation of scripture in regard to this subject.

Next I see where you are telling me to leave you alone. You no longer wish to converse with me.

Have I missed something? This is your chance to rid yourself of me. Just tell the "strawman" where to get off.

 

[OneOfHis]

Dear OneofHison: Forgive me for not being skilled as you in using the format of this sight. You have labeled me a "strawman" If that means I have offended you then I apologize.

This conversation started, as best I can recall, when you took exception to , what I declared to be my relationship with God.
I professed to be in Christ, therefore, when God sees me He sees what I am in Christ.
You challenged this profession saying that I am making myself equal with God in making it.

Correct me if I am wrong, next came the discussion about satin as a fallen angle. You gave me your interpretation of scripture in regard to this subject.

Next I see where you are telling me to leave you alone. You no longer wish to converse with me.

Have I missed something? This is your chance to rid yourself of me. Just tell the "strawman" where to get off.

Well I don't mind answering earnest questions.

But when you have your own answer in mind and belittle others or call them dangerous for answering you differently than you would like, it is not fruitful.

You threw subtle digs and even went ahead and used strawmen arguements.


I highlighted many of them for you in my previous post.


I did not insult you but pointed out the less than honest approach you were taking with me when I asked you to stop talking to me.


I could continue and am not offended, but why would I waste time defending positions I don't hold?


A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".


1. I never, nor as anyone in this thread said "all evil comes from satan". (which you spell as satin which is a silky fabric) : I still tried to humor you before you ignored all of my words before you argued against orthadox beliefs and claimed I fall into whatever group you created.

2. When I said we are not EQUAL with Christ in standing or being, you then argued I don't believe we are IN Christ. (another strawman which is dishonest and unfruitful to engage in discussion about when I do not hold such a positon)

3. You asked :"Let me leave you with this question IF satan is a rebellious angle why does God not take away his power? Is God powerless to deal with this evil?": Which again is a less than worthwhile question that can be likened to... :"If God is good, why is there evil?":

We as Christians do not question His power or righteousnes and to impute such a belief to another by word games is dishonest.

4. You being snarky or just a troll, or just not being familiar with talking to people who disagree with you then make the silly statement I am convicted by your words when our argument is not about salvation, nor our own walk is just a weak cop out.

It is what many works salvationists or false preachers use when they are losing the attention they crave so much.

You never once defend or explain your positions, while clumping positions of others together as mainstream, posting no related scriptures or your own understandings of them.


I am not "trying to be rid of" you, but asking why you keep sending me responses.... I have no interest in this sort of game and I wish you the best....

(though if you think I'll fall into a trap that leads to some silly rabbit hole by questions filled with guile you're wrong... I have explained my beliefs on satan while you have yet to do so... if you want to continue maybe address that instead of continuing the argument)


I hope you have a blessed day, see what God wants you too... and are comforted and joyful and well fed....

 

[PERFECTION]

Well I don't mind answering earnest questions.

But when you have your own answer in mind and belittle others or call them dangerous for answering you differently than you would like, it is not fruitful.

You threw subtle digs and even went ahead and used strawmen arguements.


I highlighted many of them for you in my previous post.


I did not insult you but pointed out the less than honest approach you were taking with me when I asked you to stop talking to me.


I could continue and am not offended, but why would I waste time defending positions I don't hold?


A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".


1. I never, nor as anyone in this thread said "all evil comes from satan". (which you spell as satin which is a silky fabric) : I still tried to humor you before you ignored all of my words before you argued against orthadox beliefs and claimed I fall into whatever group you created.

2. When I said we are not EQUAL with Christ in standing or being, you then argued I don't believe we are IN Christ. (another strawman which is dishonest and unfruitful to engage in discussion about when I do not hold such a positon)

3. You asked :"Let me leave you with this question IF satan is a rebellious angle why does God not take away his power? Is God powerless to deal with this evil?": Which again is a less than worthwhile question that can be likened to... :"If God is good, why is there evil?":

We as Christians do not question His power or righteousnes and to impute such a belief to another by word games is dishonest.

4. You being snarky or just a troll, or just not being familiar with talking to people who disagree with you then make the silly statement I am convicted by your words when our argument is not about salvation, nor our own walk is just a weak cop out.

It is what many works salvationists or false preachers use when they are losing the attention they crave so much.

You never once defend or explain your positions, while clumping positions of others together as mainstream, posting no related scriptures or your own understandings of them.


I am not "trying to be rid of" you, but asking why you keep sending me responses.... I have no interest in this sort of game and I wish you the best....

(though if you think I'll fall into a trap that leads to some silly rabbit hole by questions filled with guile you're wrong... I have explained my beliefs on satan while you have yet to do so... if you want to continue maybe address that instead of continuing the argument)


I hope you have a blessed day, see what God wants you too... and are comforted and joyful and well fed....

Thank you for your response. Although I do not understand it, I will nevertheless accept it. Bottom line is you no longer wish to converse with me about scripture we disagree on.
My inadequate ability(as compared to yours) to navigate this site might result in us crossing paths again but rest assured if you make a post which you cannot support with accusal scripture I will be back in your life.

Note: So everyone understands I never have challenged this mans conversation just His understanding of the scripture.