question about submission
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Scripture is clear on how husbands and wives serve each other. Both are to help better each other in God's image. Too many people love to twist things to serve their own personal agenda. A relationship is a team effort, and both parties involve love and help each other grow as life goes on.
God's Word is the Authority and He executed many who disobeyed and He told what the penalty is so
the "team" captain is God Himself, not any man; then good - in union with Him love and life prosper.
Go against Him, and suffer discipline at least (as He says in Hebrews, et al), or judgment, as He says.
the "team" captain is God Himself, not any man; then good - in union with Him love and life prosper.
Go against Him, and suffer discipline at least (as He says in Hebrews, et al), or judgment, as He says.
Since God is above all else, wouldn't He be the owner? Since owners are above team captains, which are players?
*shrug* Then I guess I'll face his judgement. I can't picture a snart God, who gave me a brain, then created me as woman and say "well you're a woman so you have to be obedient to the men in your life. No brain usage allowed." If that were the case I think he would have created me VERY different. I have a brain and I intend to use it. If I'm wrong then I will accept Gods punishement because He is just.
Hi,yes u r correct.In Ephesians5:19-21 it says to speak to yourself in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs,making melody in your heart to the Lord.Give thanks to the Lord 4 all things and submit yourselves one to another in the fear of the Lord.Hope the Word answers your question.GBU Jeshuvan.
very good.
instead of God's punishment, which you (and everyone) do totally deserve,
you might want to learn from Him about His grace, (Jesus the Messiah suffered a horrendous and painful and shameful death on a tree in your place, for your sins as well as for the sin of mankind)...
do you think HIS DEATH in crucifixion is not worth your attention ???? you owe Him overwhelmingly....
and why no one's brain(no man's and no woman's) was ever able to save them or even was ever able to obey God - human wisdom and knowledge continually lead people away from Him and keep them opposed to Him.
in your sinful fallen state, you are very different from the resurrected life He provides for His Beloved Ones who are willing to live His Way.
but of course, He never forces anyone to change from dead to alive, and when His disciples walked away from Him He did not go after them to bring them back (just like He tells believing spouses - if an unbelieving spouse chooses to leave, let them go and don't even try to stop them).
isn't the answer included in the question ? as it is written even our hands and our bodies and our spirits are God's - we belong to Him, we are His.
He is the Owner, the Captain, the Lord, the Master, the Savior, the Messiah, all in all.... nothing lacking in Him, nothing missing, nothing (remains) broken among His people as He is the Good Shepherd....
Woman was made from Adams rib as a reminder that woman is side-by-side with Man. If Man was above Woman, God would have used Adams foot . If Woman was above Man , God would have used Adams head . We stand together in the sight of God - it is only the machinations of Fallen mankind that promotes otherwise.
Actually, that is loving another as oneself.
That is part of it, but not all of it.
The Greek word is hupotasso, primarily a military term, "to rank under, to be subject to, to subject oneself to obey,"
so Christian submission would be to submit from her heart.
Sooner or later, there will come a time when agreement cannot be reached on a matter, and that is when the head of the marriage makes the call for the matter, and she is to submit to the decision from her heart.
And a good one. . .
I am more than happy to make a cup of tea whilst my wife cleans the guttering - Equality at work !
It looks like her exercising all the authority in the home the head of the marriage wants her to have,
which can vary depending on the couple.
But when it comes to making a decision regarding a matter on which they cannot reach agreement, it means the head of the marriage makes the call and the spouse lovingly submits to it.
Men do not "submit" to their wives, in the sense of subject to obey her.
Submission is the wrong word.
The word is love--preferring the other before oneself.
Jesus came to serve, not to be served, he did not come not to rule.
Jesus is King, Jesus rules his kingdom, which is the church.
His service was his atoning death for those who believe in him (the church).
Jesus does not submit to (is not under) the church.
Jesus submits to (is under) only the Father.
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We must decide both whose word is truth and law, as well as whose we prefer, God's or man's.
It's a heart issue, and it is the disposition of the heart by which we know whether we are saved or not.
God's word is clear that the husband is head of the marriage, as Christ is head of the church.
And as the church submit to Christ, so the wife is to submit to the husband,
as Christ submits to the Father.
You either misunderstand or misrepresent Biblical submission in marriage.
Will you accept his word because you love him, his truth and law?
His word is clear that the wife is to submit to the husband,
as the church submits to Christ, and as Christ submits to the Father.
The born again have a submissive disposition toward God, whose truth and law they prefer.
The unborn again do not.
God gave men brains, but as boys, men are to submit to parents. Men submit to employers and the government. Submission is very much a part of a man's life if he is in the military. But in all of these situations, men have brains.
Do you think God made you in such a way that there is no situation in life that will stretch or challenge you? That's not a realistic expectation to have in life.
Marriage works as a partnership. But even in a partnership, there is authorization to call the shots in the case of unresolvable disagreement.
Barring mental impairment, if the woman loves her husband, why would she not lovingly submit to his headship as Scripture requires when necessary?
I am not saying a woman should not submit nor am I saying the man is not the head. What I am saying is that yes the man is the head BUT there should be mutual submission because then the wife gets stuck being all "yes dear" and "no dear" and not really having any freedom. I feel like these passages have been really warped by the world because no matter how many times you say "oh women are equal" there is always that "but not really because she has to do what the husband tells her." Someone on here explained how slaves have to submit to their masters. A wife is not a slave. A slave/master relationship is miles away from a marriage relationship. I think if marriage and slavery looked a like that would make for a VERY unhealthy marriage. Same with the father comparison. Someone on here also pointed out how a wife should obey a husband like a father. A daddy/daughter relationship is SO different from marriage. It would make the marriage SOOO unhealthy if the wife and husband had a father/daughter type thing going. *shudder*
Thoughts?
Thoughts?