It's not something that would take away any ones salvation and honestly it seems so many people are either or. I don't mean to start any arguments sorry guys
Question on post trib rapture.
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Most who swallow the pre trib lie wil not listen..the fact that scripture contradicts it proves it is false
This is an interesting notation Mat 24:31 And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
He mentions all from one end of the heavens to the other, I understood there are more then one heaven but this is indicating there also dwells some more of the elect.
Yes, it's the 7th trumpet of Rev.11, simply because what happens on the 7th trumpet per God's Word?
Rev 10:7
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as He hath declared to His servants the prophets.
KJV
Well, you definitely shouldn't come to forums like these and expect to hear the Truth without an over-abundant amount of rubbish from men's doctrines to try and turn your heart away.
Your church can't save you. Only Jesus Christ can. Your father-in-law cannot save you. Only Jesus Christ can.
No argument with me. I can sense your honesty.
Some things those on the 'fly away' doctrine don't understand:
Christ's servants have a job to do during the tribulation, it's a spiritual battle with spiritual weapons (Holy Spirit). Matt.10; Mark 13 about being delivered up to give a Testimony.
Not all believers will be killed in the tribulation (1 Thess.4 "caught up" happens on final day; there's still servants of Christ on earth when Jesus comes to punish the wicked).
The "day of the Lord" events occur on the last day of this world, when Jesus comes to gather us and punishes the wicked. Research what all is to occur with that "day of the Lord".
We're gathered to Jesus with the asleep saints when He brings them with Him, and we all go to the area of Jerusalem on earth to reign with Him for the thousand years.
The most dangerous thing our Lord Jesus showed us about the coming tribulation is how the coming pseudo-Christ is going to play God in Jerusalem and demand all to bow to him as God. He is going to be given the power to do supernatural wonders and miracles right here on earth.
Since those on Pre-trib are told they will be raptured prior to the tribulation, they could be in danger of falling away thinking that first supernatural messiah to come is our Lord Jesus. Apostle Paul did show in 2 Thess.2 that is what the "strong delusion" is especially about, i.e., the great falling away to that false one who comes to sit in the temple of God showing that he is God, and exalting himself over all that is even called... God, or that is worshiped.
Post trib is much like closing the barn door after the horse has already run away.
Why don't you desire a pre trib rapture? Makes no sense to me for you to want to hang around and watch the wrath of God poured out on the world of unbelievers and the persecution to death of Israel.
Dumbest thing I have ever heard. Post trib. Right up there with gay Christians, Christians who are swingers and wife swappers and the like. Drug addicts for Jesus getting closer to God through chemistry.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Why don't you desire a pre trib rapture? Makes no sense to me for you to want to hang around and watch the wrath of God poured out on the world of unbelievers and the persecution to death of Israel.
Dumbest thing I have ever heard. Post trib. Right up there with gay Christians, Christians who are swingers and wife swappers and the like. Drug addicts for Jesus getting closer to God through chemistry.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Would you please tell us your feelings toward those of us who know that the rapture and the second coming of Jesus both take place on the last day.
Apostle Paul used an OT metaphor from the prophets about the deceived being like drunks who sleep in the night.
1 Thess 5:4-7
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
KJV
It's easy to tell the drunkards on pre-trib too; they literally act like someone drunken with their comebacks against those who disagree with them. And when a clear wording directly from our Lord Jesus is set before them, like one drunken they cannot see it. Truly this metaphor from the prophets is spot on for those drunken on men's doctrines of a pre-trib secret rapture.
1 Thess 5:4-7
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
KJV
It's easy to tell the drunkards on pre-trib too; they literally act like someone drunken with their comebacks against those who disagree with them. And when a clear wording directly from our Lord Jesus is set before them, like one drunken they cannot see it. Truly this metaphor from the prophets is spot on for those drunken on men's doctrines of a pre-trib secret rapture.
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I'm sorry maybe you missed understood, that's exactly why I asked the question in the first place and I was looking for truth in scripture not what I desired
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popeye
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I see this type of study only in postrib rapture adherents.
End times hinging on definitions.
Last tump
7 trumpets
1st resurrection
The word "rapture"
"eagles gather"
"day of the Lord"
"day of Christ"
No depth,no bride,no bridegroom,no times of the gentiles completed,can't read the part where all christians die during the GT,prohibited from the harvest study of leviticus,never promote the eminent return of Jesus,worry us with doom and gloom and God's supposed anger at his church,Deliberately twist Lot into staying while sodom is taken,and on and on.
Oh,and oblivious to Noah entering the ark PREJUDGEMENT,PREFLOOD,THEN LIFTED UP A MILE INTO THE EARTHS ATMOSPHERE,AND RETURNING POST WRATH BACK TO EARTH!!!!!! OBLIVIOUS.....AND IT IS A NO BRAINER,PERFECT PICTURE OF A PRETRIB RAPTURE.
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I am a pretrib rapture adherent.
I defend that doctrine,but not from the common ground of following others.
My study is based on the "other side of the spectrum". I use the "gathering of the bride" as the foundation of end times events.
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popeye
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That concept is not biblical.
The AC killing all w/o the mark is just one of many realms that make a postrib rapture impossible
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A 'twinkling of an eye' is an even shorter period of time than a 'blink of an eye'. And, it is talking about the "change"; it is not talking about seeing Christ in the air.Some believe that it is the "seventh trump" in Revelation because it says "the last trump". Do a study on "trumpets", when and why they were used and blown . . . the trumpets of Revelation are entirely different from any other series of trumpets in Scripture. The trumpets in Revelation are sounded by angels. The trumpet at the rapture is the "trumpet of God." The trumpets of Revelation are all connected with divine judgment of sin and unbelief. The trumpet of 1 Thess. 4 and 1 Cor. 15 is a call and command to the dead to rise. In Revelation 1:7 it says that "every eye shall see him" - if something happens in the "twinkling of an eye" or in the moment of time it takes for your eye to blink - I doubt it will be seen. Revelation 6:17 at the 6th seal scripture says For the great day of their wrath (one who sits on the throne & the Lamb) has come and who can withstand it? This is before the 7th trump . . . Just things to think about.
So just study how and when trumpets are used throughout scripture and you can make your own decision . . .
The resurrection being at the "last trump" is a matter of timing; it does not mean that the resurrection is by definition part of 'Divine Judgment'.
