Reconciled to God while enemies !
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How can you tell who is chosen? There is an answer from the Bible. Do you know it?
Sounds like the OP is possibly a Calvinist. I am not sure though and I am not assuming. Your point though is accurate. Salvation for which Christ paid in full for those who believe is a gift and a gift has to be received. We have to come to Jesus, believe He is the Son of God. Repentance comes with that faith but it is Jesus who paid for our salvation in full...
What a laughable analysis. One word and you want to build a whole story round it.
The parable tells us exactly what was owed and the promise of the servant to pay it all back. There is no indication the King was looking to settle debts in part or that the amount owing was only a part of his debt.
Matt.18:23-26
23Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants. 24And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents. 25But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made. 26The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
The King wouldn't sell him off and all his family to pay a part of the debt. He would sell his family and keep him working to pay off the remainder if what was forgiven was only partial.
Don't worry though, I forgive you that mistake.
I have a good hope one may be chosen by their adherence to the Gospel Truth, which does include the Truths of Tulip. But this thread isnt about that, its about reconciliation by the death of Christ and what that entails.
Do you still believe, contrary to the definition, that reconciliation is one-sided?
Forgiveness from you is not necessary - but thanks anyway. It is not just "one word" it is the whole parable, which you apparently do not understand because you didn't read it closely enough. The parable does not say the ten thousand talents were all that were owed the lord, just that those ten thousand talents were a debt that he owed him. You assume the ten thousand talents were all, but do you see in vs 18:24 (below), the "and when he had BEGUN to reckon"? His lord's reckoning had not yet completed - there was more to reckon remaining.
The unmerciful servant was sent to the tormenters because he would not forgive others, yet he himself sill had debt. That servant could not be sent to the tormentors for a debt that had already been forgiven him- not continued, not held in abeyance, not made contingent- but forgiven. And by having been forgiven, it was no longer in his Lord's power or prerogative to reinstate it, otherwise, were that the case, it would mean that being forgiven was meaningless, as it could therefore, never, ever be done away with - but to be truly forgiven means that it was not reversable - so you can't have it both ways - it was either forgiven or it wasn't- but through forgiveness, it was eliminated and no longer due to his lord. Therefore, it could only have been for other outstanding debts that he also had pending, and for those, he was sent to the tormentors.
This can be seen in vs18:34. It doesn't say ten thousand talents, but ALL that that was due unto him, which, by having forgiven the servant, those ten thousand talents were not part of it.
[Mat 18:24 KJV] 24 And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.
[Mat 18:34 KJV] 34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
You are reading into the story things that are simply not there.
And it wasn't the forgiveness part that was supposed to get your attention but it seems my irony went over your head.
The Gospel Call of Reconciliation !
2 Cor 5:19-20
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
The Gospel Call of Reconciliation in 2 Cor 5:20 " be ye reconciled to God" in the greek this is a command, an imperative, and it is also in the passive voice, meaning quite frankly the command is instrumental in actually reconciling those the summons is issued to, and this command is not to all men without exception, as false teachers that lie, would have us believe, but it is only to those that belong to that world before in Vs 19, that had not its trespasses imputed to them, and hence a forgiven world, a redeemed world ! And the OT confirmation of this premise is here Isa 43:25;44:22
25 I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.
22 I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.
Or it can very well say, be reconciled to me Ye were reconciled to me by the Death of My Son Rom 5:10 !
Clearly Remission of sins is the foundation for the imperative, return unto me, which is but the OT counterpart for "be ye reconciled to God" and both appeals are made upon the doing away of their sins before God's Sight !
Those trespasses that were not imputed to that World in 2 Cor 5:19 were done away with by the Lamb of God Jn 1:29 ! And it is to them only, the Call goes out '"Be ye reconciled to God " !
2 Cor 5:19-20
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
The Gospel Call of Reconciliation in 2 Cor 5:20 " be ye reconciled to God" in the greek this is a command, an imperative, and it is also in the passive voice, meaning quite frankly the command is instrumental in actually reconciling those the summons is issued to, and this command is not to all men without exception, as false teachers that lie, would have us believe, but it is only to those that belong to that world before in Vs 19, that had not its trespasses imputed to them, and hence a forgiven world, a redeemed world ! And the OT confirmation of this premise is here Isa 43:25;44:22
25 I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.
22 I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.
Or it can very well say, be reconciled to me Ye were reconciled to me by the Death of My Son Rom 5:10 !
Clearly Remission of sins is the foundation for the imperative, return unto me, which is but the OT counterpart for "be ye reconciled to God" and both appeals are made upon the doing away of their sins before God's Sight !
Those trespasses that were not imputed to that World in 2 Cor 5:19 were done away with by the Lamb of God Jn 1:29 ! And it is to them only, the Call goes out '"Be ye reconciled to God " !
2 Cor 5:19 Preaching Reconciliation !
2 Cor 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
When Preaching the Word of reconciliation as the Apostle Paul did, it is imperative to Preach the Non Imputation of sin or trespasses unto those Christ died for and reconciled to God by His Death Rom 5:10, for in our text we read in 2 Cor 5:19 how was God reconciling the World [The Church] unto Himself, for it is put quite plainly " by not imputing their trespasses against them !
The word trespasses here is the greek word paraptōma and means:
to fall beside or near something
2) a lapse or deviation from truth and uprightness
a) a sin, misdeed
Its also where we get the word fall away as here Heb 6:6
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
So when one for whom God reconciled falls away, that one or ones does not have that laid to their charge. All for whom Christ died did fall away at first in Adam, that was not laid to their charge.
Now understand, everyone of that World in 2 Cor 5:19 is freed or Justified from all sin, they have a clean slate before God, God views them, even as sinners and dead in sin, He views them with no sin charges against them Rom 8:33 ! He views them as the blessed man here Rom 4:7-8
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
The word man here is used generically to denote a group of both men and women, and we can very well understand Vs 8 to read this way:
8 Blessed is the world as in 2 Cir 5:19 to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
Such a world is freed or Justified from the legal charge of sin before God ! 1
2 Cor 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
When Preaching the Word of reconciliation as the Apostle Paul did, it is imperative to Preach the Non Imputation of sin or trespasses unto those Christ died for and reconciled to God by His Death Rom 5:10, for in our text we read in 2 Cor 5:19 how was God reconciling the World [The Church] unto Himself, for it is put quite plainly " by not imputing their trespasses against them !
The word trespasses here is the greek word paraptōma and means:
to fall beside or near something
2) a lapse or deviation from truth and uprightness
a) a sin, misdeed
Its also where we get the word fall away as here Heb 6:6
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
So when one for whom God reconciled falls away, that one or ones does not have that laid to their charge. All for whom Christ died did fall away at first in Adam, that was not laid to their charge.
Now understand, everyone of that World in 2 Cor 5:19 is freed or Justified from all sin, they have a clean slate before God, God views them, even as sinners and dead in sin, He views them with no sin charges against them Rom 8:33 ! He views them as the blessed man here Rom 4:7-8
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
The word man here is used generically to denote a group of both men and women, and we can very well understand Vs 8 to read this way:
8 Blessed is the world as in 2 Cir 5:19 to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
Such a world is freed or Justified from the legal charge of sin before God ! 1
No, all of his debts were forgiven. Don't you see? The Lord turned him over to tormentors, who didn't extract talents from him. This was a different sort of payment. He was not being punished for owing the Lord money; He was being punished for being the kind of person who wouldn't forgive others.
Jesus is arguing from the greater to the lesser. If God is willing to forgive my debt to him, which is very large, then I should be willing to forgive my brother's debt to me, which is much smaller by comparison. And that is the key to the parable: our willingness to forgive.
Think about it this way. When the preacher says, "Jesus saves," his word falls on deaf ears. Why? Because, framed that way, the message is impersonal and too generalized. If I want a savior, I want to know if Jesus will save ME. Yes, Jesus saves people but I want to know if I am one of those people.
The existential crisis at the heart of the gospel.
Every honest hearer asks the same question: "Am I included?” This is not selfishness. This is the very nature of salvation.
If salvation is rescue, then the question is not, “Does the rescuer rescue people?”
The question is, “Will the rescuer rescue me?”
If salvation is forgiveness, the question is not, “Does Jesus forgive sinners?”
The question is, “Will He forgive my sins?”
If salvation is eternal life, the question is not, “Does Jesus give eternal life?”
The question is, “Will He give me eternal life?”
Salvation is not a general announcement but a personal encounter. When a preacher says, “Jesus saves,” the statement is true but existentially empty, because it does not answer the only question the human heart cares about: “Will He save *me*?” Scripture never treats salvation as a category but as a relationship—being known, called, forgiven, and interceded for by name. A generalized proclamation cannot save because it does not address the individual. The gospel becomes real only when the universal truth becomes a personal promise.
That individual had not been reconciled to God by Jesus Christ. Thats a different economy God dealt with that person upon, more like the Law
What do you think this verse is saying?
[Mat 18:34 KJV] 34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
No. This is an illustration of Jesus' teaching that if we are unwilling to forgive others, God is not willing to forgive us.
I understand Paul's point about what Christ did. But you don't understand that actual reconciliation isn't accomplished until a person repents.
False, thats conditional forgiveness based on mans actions, thats against Forgiveness and reconciliation by Christ Christs blood and death.
The apostolic basis for Gods forgiveness is right here Eph 4:32
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
Absolutely false and a attack on Christs Death accomplishment Rom 5:10