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[crossnote]

Also the tree being called the "Tree of Good and Evil," does not mean good and evil are on the same tree.

Lord Jesus clearly disputes this thinking as He said a good tree can not bear bad fruit.......Matthew 7:18

The good and evil is the ability to discern between good and evil, not that they reside on the same tree !!!

Genesis 2:16-17 (KJV)
16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

I explained it very clear that the "Tree of Good and Evil" does not mean both good and evil are on that tree, as go read it carefully again as it is about knowing/discernment of good and evil.

Adam and Eve did not know it was wrong to be naked before they ate of the tree because the discernment was not there, after eating the knowledge of what is right and wrong was given to them.

You said they were not on the same tree. How many trees was the knowledge of good and evil found on?
Scripture seems to indicate one tree.

 

[crossnote]

You are trying to read into what is not there, as it clearly says we are saved by grace through faith, and it is only by Christ's redemptive blood that our sins are forgiven.

Paul tells the Galatians they no longer have either by going back to the law, and we need to take Colossians 1:22-23 into account here as Paul shows will receive that remission only if we continue in the faith. Nowhere does it say you will continue to receive His remission even if you walk away from Him !!!

A central point of Galatians is the imparting of the Holy Spirit to those who believe the Gospel.
Here is where God IS FULLY ABLE. ..

Philippians 1:6 (KJV) Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

...in you, that speaks of the Holy Spirit's work in us.

 

[Gr8grace]

How do you come by not all evil is sin ???

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[TD="align: justify"]3:5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,

an unbeliever feeding the poor to better humanity. This isn't sin. It is evil.

An unbeliever or believer feeding the poor with motives of approbation lust. It isn't sin. It is evil.

Any "good"act or "good"deed that we do apart from the filling of the Spirit is EVIL. Men and women will praise us, the world will put us on tv and promote us for our own righteousness..........but God sees it as dung,dead works,menstrual rags or EVIL.[/TD]
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[eternally-gratefull]

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[TD]3:5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,

an unbeliever feeding the poor to better humanity. This isn't sin. It is evil.

An unbeliever or believer feeding the poor with motives of approbation lust. It isn't sin. It is evil.

Any "good"act or "good"deed that we do apart from the filling of the Spirit is EVIL. Men and women will praise us, the world will put us on tv and promote us for our own righteousness..........but God sees it as dung,dead works,menstrual rags or EVIL.[/TD]
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Sadly in order for them to release this, they will have to realize no good can come from self. but only by the power of Gods love, where no man can boast because no man did anything of his own.

They can not believe this until the humble themselves and truly repent.

 

[Gr8grace]

" For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required "

This is stated by Jesus in Luke 12:48...........

Well, honestly Ken, those that believe in loss of salvation..........haven't been given very much. For the believer, the only requirement from the Lord is to return to the TRUE faith.

" For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required "

 

[KennethC]

You said they were not on the same tree. How many trees was the knowledge of good and evil found on?
Scripture seems to indicate one tree.

Knowing the difference between good and evil being on that one tree is different then both good and evil being on the same tree.

Therefore I understand that there was one tree speaking on this, but that one tree did not mean righteousness and lawlessness was on the same tree. Only the knowledge to know what is right and what is wrong was on that tree.

Light and dark does go together........Either we belong to and follow the Light, or we belong to and follow the dark.

We can not serve two masters !!!


Notice it says "Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil", and there was two trees not one...........

Tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 2:17)........Tree of Life (Genesis 3:22)

 

[KennethC]

Well, honestly Ken, those that believe in loss of salvation..........haven't been given very much. For the believer, the only requirement from the Lord is to return to the TRUE faith.

" For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required "

Keep your insistent false premise up that requires denial of a number of scriptures, and please do not address me again if you can not get over holding something over another.

I have true faith in the Lord which is why I don't deny any part of the Word of God.

Please read Jude with a open mind and the examples he gives for us when it comes to salvation !!!

 

[KennethC]

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an unbeliever feeding the poor to better humanity. This isn't sin. It is evil.

An unbeliever or believer feeding the poor with motives of approbation lust. It isn't sin. It is evil.

Any "good"act or "good"deed that we do apart from the filling of the Spirit is EVIL. Men and women will praise us, the world will put us on tv and promote us for our own righteousness..........but God sees it as dung,dead works,menstrual rags or EVIL.[/TD]
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That is your opinion that is not supported by scripture, and Titus 3:5 does not say or support your stance that not all evil is sin.

Also again nobody is saying we are saved by deeds, please get over that, as they are proof of one who is saved not what does the saving for that is grace through faith in Jesus !!!

 

[crossnote]

Knowing the difference between good and evil being on that one tree is different then both good and evil being on the same tree.

Therefore I understand that there was one tree speaking on this, but that one tree did not mean righteousness and lawlessness was on the same tree. Only the knowledge to know what is right and what is wrong was on that tree.

Light and dark does go together........Either we belong to and follow the Light, or we belong to and follow the dark.

We can not serve two masters !!!


Notice it says "Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil", and there was two trees not one...........

Tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 2:17)........Tree of Life (Genesis 3:22)

There were more than two trees...
The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was ONE tree.

Genesis 2:16 KJVS
[16] And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

Genesis 3:2-3 KJVS
[2] And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: [3] But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

 

[KennethC]

There were more than two trees...
The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was ONE tree.

Genesis 2:16 KJVS
[16] And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

Genesis 3:2-3 KJVS
[2] And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: [3] But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

You are playing with words now because I don't deny the other trees, but there were only 2 that were spoken of that they were not to eat from.

Again focusing on the tree of good and evil do not overlook............."Knowledge of"

Adam and Ever were naked before they ate from that tree, did they know this was wrong then ??? No they did not as the discernment was not given to them, therefore it was not sin before they ate from the tree.

 

[justpassinthrough]

Where do you get your understanding from because it does not come from the Word of God ???

If a person continues to willfully/deliberately sin they still are giving into that sin nature, you can try to reword it as you like but Paul is clearly saying we can not continue to deliberately go on sinning. God forbid he says in emphasizing this point !!!

Where you get fig leaves for covering is evil ???

I do not see this in the bible either as God covering them with animal skin was not saying the fig leaves were evil, but shadowing that which is come through Him.

How do you come by not all evil is sin ???

The bible says anything not of the faith is sin, and evil is not of the faith..........Romans 14:23

Again nobody is saying to follow the law, at least not me, I am however stating the same thing the bible does that by faith we when walking in love establish and fulfill the law.

Grace does not allow lewdness to continue in our lives, those who believe and teach this way that we can continue to be deliberate sinners and have salvation both at the same time needs to reread the epistles.

Apostle Jude in his epistle clearly says teachers that take the Grace of God to allow lewdness are marked for condemnation !!!

Amen!

I am however stating the same thing the bible does that by faith we when walking in love establish and fulfill the law.

Could you give the scripture that states this?


Thanks, God Bless.


justpassinthrough

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Amen!

Amen to what?

Amen to Ken saying that if a person has a claim he is saved, yet still lives as if he was not saved, that he was saved to begin with, but lost that salvation?

What, is God so dense he can not see a persons faith was not real? God was fooled by a person saying the sinners prayer with no repentance?

SAD, JUST SAD!!

Could you give the scripture that states this?


Thanks, God Bless.


justpassinthrough

which one would you like, here are a few..

Romans 13:8 no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law.

Romans 13:10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

James 2:8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well;

Matt 22: 37-40Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the first and great commandment. [SUP]39 [/SUP]And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]40 [/SUP]On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

 

[crossnote]

You are playing with words now because I don't deny the other trees, but there were only 2 that were spoken of that they were not to eat from.

Again focusing on the tree of good and evil do not overlook............."Knowledge of"

Adam and Ever were naked before they ate from that tree, did they know this was wrong then ??? No they did not as the discernment was not given to them, therefore it was not sin before they ate from the tree.

Only one tree they were not to eat from.