Redemption: A Transaction Paid in Full

[FlyingDove]

Again you ignore Rom. 11:22, 1Cor. 15:2, Col. 1:22-23, 2Thes. 1:4-5, 2Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6&14, 10:35-36, Jam. 1:12, 2Pet. 1:10-11, 2:20, 1John 2:24-25 and Rev. 2:10, but let us look at what you cited:

Matt. 3:11 & John 1:33 - Yes, Jesus baptizes believers with the HS, but this does not answer the question:
Is it possible per GW for someone with saving faith to repudiate Jesus and commit apostasy/blasphemy?

John 14:16-17 - Jesus said the Father would give his disciples the HS to be with them forever.
This needs to be harmonized with 1John 2:24-25, “See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you.
If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he promised us—even eternal life.”
Harmonization: The HS will be with believers unless they do not remain in the Son and Father.

Rom. 8:2 - Paul said the law of the Spirit of life sets those who are in Christ free from the law of sin and death.
This needs to be harmonized with Rom. 11:22, “Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God:
sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.”
Harmonization: The Spirit sets believers free, but they continue in His kindness in order to be saved.

Col. 1:27 - Yes, Christ is the hope of glory, but this does not answer the question.

Phil. 2:13 - God works in believers to will and act according to His will.
This needs to be harmonized with Col. 1:22-23, “But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel.”
Harmonization: God works in believers to make them holy and blameless, if they continue in saving faith.

I hope you see how harmonization of Scripture is done.
Would you like to take a turn with some more of what you cited,
harmonizing them with verses I cited?

Once again you've collapsed justification & sanctification into the same category, which eliminates justification entirely & in doing so, your position ends up denying the Holy Spirit’s ability to save at all. If salvation ultimately depends on the believer's performance, then a person is only as secure as their best day. Salvation is built on a Rock & that Rock is our great God & Savior, Jesus the Christ!

Titus 3 is says: God saved us ""not because of works of righteousness which we have done,"" but by the Holy Spirit's washing, regeneration & renewal poured out through Jesus Christ. Ephesians 1 says that the moment you heard the gospel & believed, God sealed you with the Holy Spirit of promise, His guarantee, not ours. Eph 4:30 says the Holy Spirit seals the believer until the day of redemption, not ""until you fail enough times."" Eph 2:8–9 says salvation is by grace through faith & no works allowed, so we cannot steal His glory with our performance. Our obedience fluctuates. His guarantee does not.

HOLY SPIRIT - given through faith Acts 10:45 & 11:17

ETERNAL LIFE - given through faith Rom 6:23 & Jn 5:24

RIGHTEOUSNESS - given through faith Rom 4:5 & 5:17–18

GRACE - given freely & received through faith Rom 3:24; 4:16; 5:1–2, 15, 11:6, Eph 2:5, 8

Every one of these salvation gifts is received by faith alone, not by performance, perseverance, or personal consistency. To borrow a line from an old Star Wars movie: ""I find your lack of faith disturbing.""

 

[mailmandan]

Pushers of OSAS are by nature giving those who believe they were once redeemed then they are always redeemed.

Repentance is not needed for redemption because redemption cannot be lost. This is the false hope.

The false hope is in SELF righteousness and SELF preservation. Repentance and faith are inseparable in connection with redemption. (Romans 3:24-26; Acts 11:17,18; 20:21)

 

[mailmandan]

I would like to see these passages that would suddenly become untrue if God could remove His own seal.

2 Corinthians 1:22 - who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

2 Corinthians 5:5 - Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.

Ephesians 1:13 - In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

Ephesians 4:30 - And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed unto/for the day of redemption.

 

[Lamar]

The false hope is in SELF righteousness and SELF preservation.

This goes without saying and no one here is suggesting such hope.

Repentance and faith are inseparable in connection with redemption.

Agreed but again no one here is suggesting that repentance and faith are not part of the act of redemption.

Repentance and faith are generalities and as such must be defined.

 

[Lamar]

2 Corinthians 1:22 - who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

2 Corinthians 5:5 - Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.

Ephesians 1:13 - In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

Ephesians 4:30 - And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed unto/for the day of redemption.

You are misusing the word guarantee as a one sided contract.

A guarantor is not bound to a guarantee if the debtor is not in agreement with the contract.

This is the error behind your faulty reasoning.

We may debate what is in the contract but not that the contract between Jesus and the Christian is one sided.

 

[mailmandan]

You are misusing the word guarantee as a one sided contract.

A guarantor is not bound to a guarantee if the debtor is not in agreement with the contract.

This is the error behind your faulty reasoning.

We may debate what is in the contract but not that the contract between Jesus and the Christian is one sided.

It's your faulty reasoning that says a guarantee is no guarantee at all.

Vine's Expository Dictionary of NT Words

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originally, "earnest-money" deposited by the purchaser and forfeited if the purchase was not completed, was probably a Phoenician word, introduced into Greece. In general usage it came to denote "a pledge" or "earnest" of any sort; in the NT it is used only of that which is assured by God to believers; it is said of the Holy Spirit as the Divine "pledge" of all their future blessedness, 2 Corinthians 1:22; 5:5; in Ephesians 1:14; 4:30 particularly of their eternal inheritance.

What the Bible says about Arrabon

 

[Pilgrimshope]

And, then I must ask: What of the believer who commits sin after their salvation? What of the believer who does not obey the Commandments of Jesus?

“Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; and having an high priest over the house of God; let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised and let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭10:19-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But somehow modern day grace makes all that void in the minds of some

 

[mailmandan]

In regard to Hebrews 10:26, To "sin willfully" carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is continuous action, a matter of practice. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows a ongoing, willful, habitual action. The unrighteous practice sin (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9). *Hermeneutics.

If the word 'sanctified' in Hebrews 10:29 is used to describe saved people who lost their salvation as eternal IN-securists teach, then we have a contradiction because the writer of Hebrews in verse 10 said "sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all" (Hebrews 10:10) and in verse 14, we read, "perfected for all time those who are sanctified." (Hebrews 10:14) I've heard eternal IN-securists try to get around the truth here by either saying forever doesn't really mean forever or "once for all and for all time" ONLY applies to "the offering of the body of Jesus Christ," but not to the person who is sanctified. Yet in Hebrews 10:10, we clearly read ..WE have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. In Hebrews 10:14, we read - For by one offering He has perfected for all time THOSE who are sanctified. To go from sanctified back to un-sanctified would be in contradiction here.

*NOWHERE in the context does it specifically say the person who "trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant" was "saved" and/or "lost their salvation." The reference to "the blood of the covenant that sanctified him" in verse 29 "on the surface" appears to be referring to a Christian, but this overlooks the fact that the word translated "sanctified" (which is the verb form of the adjective "holy") which means "set apart," and doesn't necessarily refer to salvation.

Strong's Concordance
hagiazó: to make holy, consecrate, sanctify
Original Word: ἁγιάζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: hagiazó
Phonetic Spelling: (hag-ee-ad'-zo)
Definition: to make holy, consecrate, sanctify
Usage: I make holy, treat as holy, set apart as holy, sanctify, hallow, purify.

*In 1 Corinthians 7:14, Paul uses it to specifically refer to non-Christians who are "sanctified" or "set apart" by their believing spouse. (And by this Paul does not mean that they are saved). A non-Christian can be "set apart" from other non-Christians without experiencing salvation as Paul explained. So the word "sanctified" means to be "set apart." If the word "sanctified" simply meant saved, then you would have to say that the seventh day was saved (Genesis 2:3), the tabernacle was saved (Exodus 29:43), Moses saved the people after coming down off the mountain (Exodus 19:14), the priests and the Levites saved themselves (1 Chronicles 15:14), the Father saved the Son (John 10:36), the Son saved Himself (John 17:19) and many other things that do not line up with scripture.

In verse 39, the writer of Hebrews sets up the CONTRAST that makes it clear to me that he was referring to make believers/nominal Christians, not saved people: But WE are not of those who draw back to perdition, but OF THOSE who believe to the saving of the soul. Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul and those who believe to the saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition.

So after considering the CONTEXT, it seems most likely that "he was sanctified" should be understood in the sense of someone who had been "set apart" or identified as a professing believer in the Hebrew Christian community of believers, but later renounces his identification with other believers, by rejecting the "knowledge of the truth" that he had received, and trampling under foot the work and the person of Christ himself. This gives evidence that his identification with the Hebrew Christian community of believers was only superficial and that he was not a genuine believer.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

It's your faulty reasoning that says a guarantee is no guarantee at all.

Vine's Expository Dictionary of NT Words

<1,,728,arrabon>
originally, "earnest-money" deposited by the purchaser and forfeited if the purchase was not completed, was probably a Phoenician word, introduced into Greece. In general usage it came to denote "a pledge" or "earnest" of any sort; in the NT it is used only of that which is assured by God to believers; it is said of the Holy Spirit as the Divine "pledge" of all their future blessedness, 2 Corinthians 1:22; 5:5; in Ephesians 1:14; 4:30 particularly of their eternal inheritance.

What the Bible says about Arrabon

Single verse Ephesians 30

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.”

what Paul’s been saying before and after that verse

“But ye have not so learned Christ; if so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

that ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

and be renewed in the spirit of your mind;


and that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: neither give place to the devil. Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:20-30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

How is only Ephesians 430 acceptable ? What about all the repentance and obedience Paul’s preaching leading up to and also warning about after Ephesians 4 30

alike this plainly worded warning to the same people he’s been speaking to the entire letter


“But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:3-7‬ ‭

It seems like if we would just read what’s actually being explained we’d find gods actual grace that does this

“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭2:11-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Thats Actually what Paul’s intention and letters help us do if we listen to what he’s saying rather than try to change and omit what he’s saying

 

[Pilgrimshope]

In regard to Hebrews 10:26, To "sin willfully" carries the idea of deliberate intention that is habitual, which stems from rejecting Christ deliberately. This is continuous action, a matter of practice. Now we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle clearly shows a ongoing, willful, habitual action. The unrighteous practice sin (1 Corinthians 6:9-10; Galatians 5:19-21); not the righteous, who are born of God (1 Corinthians 6:11; 1 John 3:9). *Hermeneutics.

If the word 'sanctified' in Hebrews 10:29 is used to describe saved people who lost their salvation as eternal IN-securists teach, then we have a contradiction because the writer of Hebrews in verse 10 said "sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all" (Hebrews 10:10) and in verse 14, we read, "perfected for all time those who are sanctified." (Hebrews 10:14) I've heard eternal IN-securists try to get around the truth here by either saying forever doesn't really mean forever or "once for all and for all time" ONLY applies to "the offering of the body of Jesus Christ," but not to the person who is sanctified. Yet in Hebrews 10:10, we clearly read ..WE have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. In Hebrews 10:14, we read - For by one offering He has perfected for all time THOSE who are sanctified. To go from sanctified back to un-sanctified would be in contradiction here.

*NOWHERE in the context does it specifically say the person who "trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant" was "saved" and/or "lost their salvation." The reference to "the blood of the covenant that sanctified him" in verse 29 "on the surface" appears to be referring to a Christian, but this overlooks the fact that the word translated "sanctified" (which is the verb form of the adjective "holy") which means "set apart," and doesn't necessarily refer to salvation.

Strong's Concordance
hagiazó: to make holy, consecrate, sanctify
Original Word: ἁγιάζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: hagiazó
Phonetic Spelling: (hag-ee-ad'-zo)
Definition: to make holy, consecrate, sanctify
Usage: I make holy, treat as holy, set apart as holy, sanctify, hallow, purify.

*In 1 Corinthians 7:14, Paul uses it to specifically refer to non-Christians who are "sanctified" or "set apart" by their believing spouse. (And by this Paul does not mean that they are saved). A non-Christian can be "set apart" from other non-Christians without experiencing salvation as Paul explained. So the word "sanctified" means to be "set apart." If the word "sanctified" simply meant saved, then you would have to say that the seventh day was saved (Genesis 2:3), the tabernacle was saved (Exodus 29:43), Moses saved the people after coming down off the mountain (Exodus 19:14), the priests and the Levites saved themselves (1 Chronicles 15:14), the Father saved the Son (John 10:36), the Son saved Himself (John 17:19) and many other things that do not line up with scripture.

In verse 39, the writer of Hebrews sets up the CONTRAST that makes it clear to me that he was referring to make believers/nominal Christians, not saved people: But WE are not of those who draw back to perdition, but OF THOSE who believe to the saving of the soul. Those who draw back to perdition do not believe to the saving of the soul and those who believe to the saving of the soul do not draw back to perdition.

So after considering the CONTEXT, it seems most likely that "he was sanctified" should be understood in the sense of someone who had been "set apart" or identified as a professing believer in the Hebrew Christian community of believers, but later renounces his identification with other believers, by rejecting the "knowledge of the truth" that he had received, and trampling under foot the work and the person of Christ himself. This gives evidence that his identification with the Hebrew Christian community of believers was only superficial and that he was not a genuine believer.

You work really hard I must say

 

[mailmandan]

You work really hard I must say

2 Timothy 2:15 - Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

[Lamar]

It's your faulty reasoning that says a guarantee is no guarantee at all.

Vine's Expository Dictionary of NT Words

<1,,728,arrabon>
originally, "earnest-money" deposited by the purchaser and forfeited if the purchase was not completed, was probably a Phoenician word, introduced into Greece. In general usage it came to denote "a pledge" or "earnest" of any sort; in the NT it is used only of that which is assured by God to believers; it is said of the Holy Spirit as the Divine "pledge" of all their future blessedness, 2 Corinthians 1:22; 5:5; in Ephesians 1:14; 4:30 particularly of their eternal inheritance.

What the Bible says about Arrabon

Can you not see even in your own hand picked definition the two sides of the contract imbedded in the guarantee.

I will spell it out for you.

"in the NT it is used only of that which is assured by God to believers;

The debtor must be a "believer" at the time that the guarantee is invoked.

We may debate what defines a believer but not the fact the debtor (believer) must be in accordance with the guarantor.

Is this really that hard for you?

 

[mailmandan]

Can you not see even in your own hand picked definition the two sides of the contract imbedded in the guarantee.

I will spell it out for you.

"in the NT it is used only of that which is assured by God to believers;

The debtor must be a "believer" at the time that the guarantee is invoked.

We may debate what defines a believer but not the fact the debtor (believer) must be in accordance with the guarantor.

Is this really that hard for you?

Apparently, it's hard for you. Ephesians 1:13 - In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

Nowhere have I stated that unbelievers have this guarantee. Do you understand what it means to believe the gospel?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

2 Timothy 2:15 - Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Amen a good philosophy ….let’s look at more than a single verse of 2 Timothy and see what your learning from that study

“This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; and that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.”
‭‭2


“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”
“This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭3:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”

To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:6-8‬ ‭NIV‬‬

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-

As you study let it all be true and work together that’s what Paul’s meaning here the doctrine of the gospel teaches us that’s where grace and truth are found

“For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

but if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

study is a good idea but not picking and choosing . All that stuff you exolain away is meant to do what Paul said about gods grace teach us to repent and to live upright lives now before we have to face judgement.

You’ll see that though since you’re second Timothy is a good place to start by reading the entire letter Paul wrote and accepting it as the truth like the rest of scripture.

 

[NightTwister]

You are misusing the word guarantee as a one sided contract.

A guarantor is not bound to a guarantee if the debtor is not in agreement with the contract.

This is the error behind your faulty reasoning.

We may debate what is in the contract but not that the contract between Jesus and the Christian is one sided.

The contract covenant is between the Father and the Son. The Father gave those He specifically created as a bride to His Son. This is why the contract can never fail.

 

[mailmandan]

Amen a good philosophy ….let’s look at more than a single verse of 2 Timothy and see what your learning from that study

“This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; and that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.”
‭‭2


“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”
“This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭3:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”

To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:6-8‬ ‭NIV‬‬

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:10-

As you study let it all be true and work together that’s what Paul’s meaning here the doctrine of the gospel teaches us that’s where grace and truth are found

“For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

but if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

study is a good idea but not picking and choosing . All that stuff you exolain away is meant to do what Paul said about gods grace teach us to repent and to live upright lives now before we have to face judgement.

You’ll see that though since you’re second Timothy is a good place to start by reading the entire letter Paul wrote and accepting it as the truth like the rest of scripture.

We must not mix law and grace or confuse descriptive passages of scripture with prescriptive passages of scripture. We must also properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching our conclusion on doctrine. Otherwise we end up with a false gospel, namely, salvation by works.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

We must not mix law and grace or confuse descriptive passages of scripture with prescriptive passages of scripture. We must also properly harmonize scripture with scripture before reaching our conclusion on doctrine. Otherwise we end up with a false gospel, namely, salvation by works.

Yeah we don’t want to learn anything he actually was teaching the church in his epistles to the church lol ………good response and example of the modern grace movement

 

[mailmandan]

Yeah we don’t want to learn anything he actually was teaching the church in his epistles to the church lol ………good response and example of the modern grace movement

Straw man argument. Jesus' earthly ministry during His lifetime was directed almost exclusively to a Jewish audience that remained under the Mosaic Law. Jesus described His primary mission as being sent only to the "lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matthew 15:24)

Jesus, as the Jewish Messiah, came to fulfill Old Testament prophecies by first offering salvation to the Jewish people (the house of Israel). The church was not yet fully established then. (John 7:37-39)

While His primary ministry was to the Jews, this was a priority in his mission, not an ultimate exclusion of the Gentile world. After His resurrection: Jesus instructed his disciples in Matthew 28:19 to "go and make disciples of all nations"..

 

[Lamar]

The contract covenant is between the Father and the Son. The Father gave those He specifically created as a bride to His Son. This is why the contract can never fail.

The agreement is between the Father and the Son?

You sure about this arrangement?

Sounds like the Bride of Christ is in a forced marriage.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Apparently, it's hard for you. Ephesians 1:13 - In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

Nowhere have I stated that unbelievers have this guarantee. Do you understand what it means to believe the gospel?

First one has to be willing to hear it which doesn’t seem like you are

“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;

…. Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:1, 14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬
“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“ But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭1: 8-9‬ ‭

“But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭8:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:30-

Straw man argument. Jesus' earthly ministry during His lifetime was directed almost exclusively to a Jewish audience that remained under the Mosaic Law. Jesus described His primary mission as being sent only to the "lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matthew 15:24)

Jesus, as the Jewish Messiah, came to fulfill Old Testament prophecies by first offering salvation to the Jewish people (the house of Israel). The church was not yet fully established then. (John 7:37-39)

While His primary ministry was to the Jews, this was a priority in his mission, not an ultimate exclusion of the Gentile world. After His resurrection: Jesus instructed his disciples in Matthew 28:19 to "go and make disciples of all nations"..

Mmhm ……another explaination of how to remove Jesus word from salvation…. And call it Gods grace .


Perfect example of the issue with the modern grace distortion . At the core it’s about removing anything Jesus and his apostles like Paul, Peter John ect actually taught in the gospel …..

Its not about Paul for you guys you reject the majority of what he says also …