Repentance: A Boast in the Flesh

[eternally-gratefull]

Amen...There is no other way but through Jesus Christ...I can do nothing on my own...but through him I can do all things because he is my strength. I am weak but he is strong.

Amen, Jesus said faith of a mustard seed can move mountains.. That is not much faith God is asking us to have in him, Imagine if our faith grows stronger what we would be able to do?

It is not us, It is him..

All things work together for good. People love to use this verse, But there is a standard. Only for those who love God.

Me going out and committing sin will not be turned to good and my benefit. Because I am not loving God in that moment, I am loving self. If anything, God can use my suffering to tell others not to do it my way, But to try it Gods way..

 

[PeterJens]

I'm not following your train of thought here...
If it was originally written in Greek, shouldn't we use the Greek words definition?
In Hebrew, what is the definition given for the word that we translate into english as "repent" and "repentance?"
I would think that, since those apostles who understood Hebrew were writing IN Greek, that they would have chosen an equivalent word...

The new testament is written about Jesus's ministry 3 years, Pauls letters, Peter, John etc.
This covers 20-30 years. It is all founded on the old testament and the definitions of religion held
there. Jesus is the fulfillment of Israel, the Law and the Prophets.

So all the concepts are embedded in 2000 years of history and experience. So everything in the new
testament in Greek is referring back to concepts in Hebrew. You cannot therefore define a religious
word in this context from a different language and talk as if it is in isolation. Jesus is part of the
whole Israel and Gods work in that testimony. That is my point.

 

[gb9]

The thing we have to realize is, Satan is the master deceiver.. Most of Gods truth can be misunderstood by anyone, and thus they may be led astray. Just because some CAN misinterpret it, and be mislead by their view of what it means.. Does not mean it is somethign we should stay away from.

Grace is under the most attack, Because Grace saves people. And satan will do whatever he can to get people to reject it.. Even by telling people it is "to easy" or that it will "lead to licentiousness"

this is so true. see, satan is not at the strip club on sat. night, he is in church on sun. morning, tell people " God does not love you, God is angry at you, you have to been sinless in order to get to heaven ( that is hammered on here daily). because all these things leads people AWAY from the Grace of God, which is the ONLY thing that saves.

 

[1ofthem]

Amen. I have not really come across the idea of sinners repenting before faith in Christ.
Repentance has always been for me about Jesus's love and the Holy Spirit bringing conviction,
which is resolved through repentance, confession and faith.

And I 100% emphathise without transformation of ones heart, to walk with Jesus is just rules
with no power or conviction. When I was a teenager I like the song "I want to know what love
is."

At this point in life I want to know how to share the love I have and bring others into the love
of Christ so living water can flow out of them also.

Yes, I think it is all about sharing the love of God with others too. I always try to listen to the Lord and let him lead me in how to do that. The Lord makes me so happy and excited that I just want to share that with others and make them feel my joy too. But the Lord has shown me that it is a personal walk with him and everyone is different. He knows how to deal with everyone and what they need to hear and when they are ready to hear it. So I just try and pray and let him lead me and give me the words to speak to others. And like you said, I do want to help others find this joy and love too.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

this is so true. see, satan is not at the strip club on sat. night, he is in church on sun. morning, tell people " God does not love you, God is angry at you, you have to been sinless in order to get to heaven ( that is hammered on here daily). because all these things leads people AWAY from the Grace of God, which is the ONLY thing that saves.

Yes, Satan can recite Gods word from the first to the last letter.. He knows how to manipulate the word to make it appear to be from God, when in reality, he took a truth, and made it a lie.. which only closely resembles the truth..

 

[Jimbone]

The thing we have to realize is, Satan is the master deceiver.. Most of Gods truth can be misunderstood by anyone, and thus they may be led astray. Just because some CAN misinterpret it, and be mislead by their view of what it means.. Does not mean it is somethign we should stay away from.

Grace is under the most attack, Because Grace saves people. And satan will do whatever he can to get people to reject it.. Even by telling people it is "to easy" or that it will "lead to licentiousness"

That is why I was trying to convey the fact that I really understand their points of view when they are talking about it. I really like a lot of guys on both sides of this never ending debate, and understand both points of view. I often agree with what you say and BenFTW, Grace7x777, PeterJens, Herose, and so many more here, I get the points they are all trying to make. I just wish there was a bit more unity than debate really, but honestly connecting on a truly personal level is hard if not impossible online. Anyway I don't feel "Grace is under attack" at all, only the definition of what Grace is differs depending on who you're talking to and what side of this camp their camped on. I do think the two sides define it differently and that IS a problem really.

During my break from CC recently I was able to connect with some family I haven't seen for a while and it really reminded me how important face to face relationships really are, and how easy it is to get to the point where you are more interested in the study, learn, and debate online aspect than honestly connecting with people. I see these online debates usefully to some who may read them, but more of a distraction for the people taking part in them from going out and truly connecting and spreading Hid word in real life to people with faces. That is at least what I feel it's done to me to some degree, but not saying there can't be a balance, or that this applies to anyone else but me.

 

[ladylynn]

There is strength and power in the truth of God's Word regardless of who uses the truth to gain their own ends. It doesn't change the truth or the power of God behind the truth. We can't stop talking about the truth of God's grace because some will use it sinfully. Humans will ALWAYS find a way to say evil is good and that good is evil. That is human nature. Being aware of it but not afraid of it above the truth of God.

God is powerful enough to defend His Word and the truth. He kept the Bible solid all through the many centuries because He is God and can do all things. Our job is not to worry about the outcome of the truth., our job is to tell the truth and allow God to do with it what He wants. His word will not return unto Him void but will accomplish that which He sent it to do.

Reminds me of C.S. Lewis and one of the movies I saw on the BBC some years ago as part of the Chronicles of Narnia movies in the book series called "The Silver Chair"

The story is about these kids and a Narnia friend called the "Marshwiggle" who were sent out to find the lost Prince of Narnia. When Poe (a young girl) was called by the Lion Aslan and given the job to remember the signs and remind the others of these signs all the time since they were part of the key to finding the lost Prince. One of the signs she was supposed to remember was to honor the request of the very next person who asked for something in the name of Aslan. Turns out this crazy guy bound to a silver chair yelled out "IN THE NAME OF ASLAN CUT MY BONDS!!!"

The 3 main characters looked at each other in shock and one said ..we can't set this mad fellow free., we must have confused the meaning of the sign!?., but the older and wiser character "the Marshwiggle" said., Aslan didn't tell us what would happen if we obeyed the signs, He just told us to obey the signs and that is what we have to do. So they set the crazy guy free and it turned out to be the Prince of Narnia who was locked up by the evil witch in a silver chair with a metal mask over his face.

I think C.S. Lewis was a very wise spiritual kind of guy.

 

[HisHolly]

this is so true. see, satan is not at the strip club on sat. night, he is in church on sun. morning, tell people " God does not love you, God is angry at you, you have to been sinless in order to get to heaven ( that is hammered on here daily). because all these things leads people AWAY from the Grace of God, which is the ONLY thing that saves.

He is in the strip clubs, otherwise they'd be empty... He's there to make sure the experience is pleasurable and keep them hooked on perversion and every other disgusting thing that takes place... I know and can say that bc I worked in them and was a stripper who was deceived and perverse for many years... He took me from level to level to get me so dependent on that life that he'd have no need to then visit me at church to tell me God doesn't love me... I didn't want God to do anything, I had a "good" life...

 

[Grace777x70]

Yes, Satan can recite Gods word from the first to the last letter.. He knows how to manipulate the word to make it appear to be from God, when in reality, he took a truth, and made it a lie.. which only closely resembles the truth..

I agree with this and it is so subtle too....sometimes it is hard to pick them out because they could just be a product of false teaching or an incomplete understanding of the gospel of the grace of Christ and are just trying to "defend the faith".

None of us have complete truth in all things. Only God knows and can judge the difference of what is in the heart of people.

Satan and his horde do not come to the believer in Christ and say "Sin all you want" because no one would for fall for such a lie.

Instead they come as "ministers of righteousness".

They want us to live by our own D.I.Y. self-righteousness/holiness so that we will be not be depending on what Christ has done for us by grace through faith alone for salvation.

This cuts us off from receiving the grace of God in our lives.

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

[SUP]15 [/SUP] Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. ( notice that is "their" works )

This below is what satan is really after...this is why he has false teachers in our midst. He wants us to fall away from grace and depend on our own performance.

1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

 

[HisHolly]

But God had a different plan for my life!!! Since the devil is defeated there is only so much he can do to those God chosen before the foundation to be His.. Glory be to God

 

[ladylynn]

There is strength and power in the truth of God's Word regardless of who uses the truth to gain their own ends. It doesn't change the truth or the power of God behind the truth. We can't stop talking about the truth of God's grace because some will use it sinfully. Humans will ALWAYS find a way to say evil is good and that good is evil. That is human nature. Being aware of it but not afraid of it above the truth of God is important.

God is powerful enough to defend His Word and the truth. He kept the Bible solid all through the many centuries because He is God and can do all things. Our job is not to worry about the outcome of the truth., our job is to tell the truth and allow God to do with it what He wants. His word will not return unto Him void but will accomplish that which He sent it to do.

Reminds me of C.S. Lewis and one of the movies I saw on the BBC some years ago as part of the Chronicles of Narnia movies in the book series called "The Silver Chair"

The story is about these kids and a Narnia friend called the "Marshwiggle" who were sent out to find the lost Prince of Narnia. When Poe (a young girl) was called by the Lion Aslan and given the job to remember the signs and remind the others of these signs all the time since they were part of the key to finding the lost Prince. One of the signs she was supposed to remember was to honor the request of the very next person who asked for something in the name of Aslan. Turns out this crazy guy bound to a silver chair yelled out "IN THE NAME OF ASLAN CUT MY BONDS!!!"

The 3 main characters looked at each other in shock and one said ..we can't set this mad fellow free., we must have confused the meaning of the sign!?., but the older and wiser character "the Marshwiggle" said., Aslan didn't tell us what would happen if we obeyed the signs, He just told us to obey the signs and that is what we have to do. So they set the crazy guy free and it turned out to be the Prince of Narnia who was locked up by the evil witch in a silver chair with a metal mask over his face.

I think C.S. Lewis was a very wise spiritual kind of guy.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

He is in the strip clubs, otherwise they'd be empty... He's there to make sure the experience is pleasurable and keep them hooked on perversion and every other disgusting thing that takes place... I know and can say that bc I worked in them and was a stripper who was deceived and perverse for many years... He took me from level to level to get me so dependent on that life that he'd have no need to then visit me at church to tell me God doesn't love me... I didn't want God to do anything, I had a "good" life...

I disagree here, Satan is at the front line of the battle.. Not in the party rooms.. Satan does not have to convince those people of anything, their flesh is more than adequate.. Satan has to convince the people on the front lines, He has to see who is wearing out. who is week. Then go get them..

 

[HisHolly]

I disagree here, Satan is at the front line of the battle.. Not in the party rooms.. Satan does not have to convince those people of anything, their flesh is more than adequate.. Satan has to convince the people on the front lines, He has to see who is wearing out. who is week. Then go get them..

Bc Eve was weak or he tricked her?

 

[HisHolly]

You can think he is nowhere but where you want to, that's unfortunate and unsound.. he's everywhere, going after all he can... Their flesh is their weakness so by your own words you still made sense with mine and didn't even see it

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Bc Eve was weak or he tricked her?

If eve was strong, Satan would never have deceived her,

She had doubts, Satan played on those doubts..

thats why anything not done in faith is sin. Because if it is not done in faith, it is done with doubts, which means it is done in the flesh, and not in the spirit.

People in a strip club do not need satan to make them stronger. They are where they want to be, Satan just laughs at them.

 

[ladylynn]

Repentance from Legalism:

Legalism in the biblical sense of the word - is any attitude or belief that human merit can produce, prove, or preserve for oneself an acceptable standing with God.

Whenever our assurance of salvation rests upon our "performance" rather than upon the "promises" of Jesus - we are in big trouble and we have fallen from grace.

Yes., and it must be said too that falling from grace doesn't mean you lose your salvation., it means you are determined to walk in your own mindset.,your own strength and power here on earth and God will let you. When we do that.,we will live a very weak, beggarly and scary life here on earth without His power to hold us up.

He will always love us but He will not force us to trust Him and take the amazing promises He freely offers if we refuse them. His promise to never leave us is still intact., it's living in the benefits of those promises that we will not have when we fall from grace.

I think there are those who refuse to believe in many promises God has for us in the power of Holy Spirit and have not taken that next step in faith and lack the the power to live the abundant life in Christ because of that refusal.

 

[Grace777x70]

I disagree here, Satan is at the front line of the battle.. Not in the party rooms.. Satan does not have to convince those people of anything, their flesh is more than adequate.. Satan has to convince the people on the front lines, He has to see who is wearing out. who is week. Then go get them..

I believe this too EG. When we are out doing "our thing" - this is us walking in our own darkness and sure there are devils out there seducing people left and right but it's the high level demons that attend church and attack the Christian's mind to distract them and get them trying to work on their own selves instead of depending on the grace of God.

Satan was at the Lord's Supper too for awhile. The religious demons assigned against the church are the most cunning and deceptive creatures but the gospel of the grace of Christ cuts threw their lies like a hot knife on butter. We had better believe there is an all out assault on the gospel for the grace of Christ.

Satan doesn't mind us if we go to church. He is against us believing and relying on Christ's life and His grace only for life. This is what he fights against the children of God - deception and it's in the religious mindset.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You can think he is nowhere but where you want to, that's unfortunate and unsound.. he's everywhere, going after all he can... Their flesh is their weakness so by your own words you still made sense with mine and didn't even see it

I must respectfully disagree,

Satan is not God, He is not omnipresent, he can only be one place at a time.. He may have demons he sends to win victories in certain places.. or attack certain people, But he himself. He is to busy running a war to worry about people in a strip club who are already out of Gods will at that time and place.

 

[HisHolly]

If eve was strong, Satan would never have deceived her,

She had doubts, Satan played on those doubts..

thats why anything not done in faith is sin. Because if it is not done in faith, it is done with doubts, which means it is done in the flesh, and not in the spirit.

People in a strip club do not need satan to make them stronger. They are where they want to be, Satan just laughs at them.

Actually he primed my mind as a child.. had me exposed to different aspects of that life and made it seem to be "good"

 

[HisHolly]

Whether it's actually him or not he's behind all destruction..