Replacement/Supersessionism Theology,Why it Matters

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kaylagrl

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Even the New Covenant, Jer 31:31-34, is addressed to Israel. The church is included in it by adoption; but Israel is the primary intended recipient, by its own words.

Exactly!!!
 
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Even the New Covenant, Jer 31:31-34, is addressed to Israel. The church is included in it by adoption; but Israel is the primary intended recipient, by its own words.
Yes, but they still need to believe on Jesus. Also, I'm not against Jews. I'm against nonsense like the Hebrew Roots movement.
 

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So in your opinion, the criteria for being a spiritual Israelite is to have the faith of Abraham and be from the Jewish bloodline.
It's like your totally ignoring verse 7 and 8. Those two verses explain verse 6. Spiritual Israel is the children of the promise... which includes me.

Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Galatians says that I am a child of the promise... I am like Isaac.
Gal_4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
IMHO, Your a child of promise but not an Israelite. The Church did not replace Israel. The Church is made up of believing Jews and Gentiles called the Body of Christ/ the One New Man or New Creation. God, after the rapture will once again deal directly with Israel through Jacob's Troubles.
 

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Jer 31:31-34
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
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kaylagrl

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Yes, but they still need to believe on Jesus. Also, I'm not against Jews. I'm against nonsense like the Hebrew Roots movement.

Not familiar with the Hebrew Roots Movement...
 

MarcR

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Not familiar with the Hebrew Roots Movement...
I am familiar with the Hebrew Roots movement; and I can assure you that there is nothing Jewish about it!

It is an offshoot of Armstrong's British Israel; and is in the forefront of Replacement Theology.
 

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I am familiar with the Hebrew Roots movement; and I can assure you that there is nothing Jewish about it!

It is an offshoot of Armstrong's British Israel; and is in the forefront of Replacement Theology.
Yup, only in reverse. They have their form of Israel replacing the Church!!...bringing it back under legal bondage.
 

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I'd just pack my bags and walk away from this stuff. Just more garbage to mess with our faith.
( Yess I looked it up on my own.)

Kefa
Yeah, they should have actually named their false counter to Christianity as 'Super-Superiorism', or 'Me Tarzan, you ape', or something on that order.
 
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In the whole land, declares the LORD, two thirds shall be cut off and perish, and one third shall be left alive.And I will put this third into the fire, and refine them as one refines silver, and test them as gold is tested. They will call upon my name, and I will answer them. I will say, 'They are my people'; and they will say, 'The LORD is my God.'"
(Zec 13:8-9)

It means God will refine His remnant. Remember not all physical Israel are Israel (those Israelites of faith are).
Though in reference to romans 9:6 I have always believed that refers to the Time in which Paul was speaking (a remnant then were christians) He speaks of a separate time in the future when all Israel will be saved. So i do accept not all of the bloodline of israel are Israelites. Will all those spoken of in the latter part of zech 14 be of the bloodline of Israel? I think we would both agree, most definitely
But I am prepared to accept as valid your belief of the purging of half the land Tha I taken into captivity, I am sure you have gone into this far more than I have. In zech 12 when Christ appears to the Jews they will at that point all turn to him, each and every tribe. If that happens after the purging I accept what you say.
I may not be convinced every Israelite that dies during the purging was not saved, but I think yours is a better overall view than
Mine. You understand this subject very well in my opinion. Hope all of Tha makes sense.
 
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MarcR

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Yup, only in reverse. They have their form of Israel replacing the Church!!...bringing it back under legal bondage.
Very true but their notion of Israel is Armstrong's British Israel, which they believe replaces ethnic Israel.
 
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I wonder if somebody can explain to me why the Bible distinguish between Judah and Israel?

Can someone also explain to me if Jesus told a little white lie when He said:

Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

If Jesus never sinned and never lied you as "non-Israelites" are in deeeeeeeep trouble...
 
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I wonder if somebody can explain to me why the Bible distinguish between Judah and Israel?

Can someone also explain to me if Jesus told a little white lie when He said:

Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

If Jesus never sinned and never lied you as "non-Israelites" are in deeeeeeeep trouble...
Jesus earthly ministry was primarily to the Israelites, but his death at Calvary was for all who would accept him as their saviour.

Therefore go and make disciples of ALL nations...... Matt 28 19.

I'm not in trouble!
 
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Yes, and a time is coming when all physical Jews will accept the new covenant
Pure speculation and wishful thinking. Bad exegesis too, because there is no scriptural example supporting this. Just the opposite. Only a remnant has ever been saved.

If this was true, all Israel being saved out of Egypt would be a good (and only) example to support your theory. But it is written that GOD afterward destroyed in the wilderness those who didn't believe. Not a salvation worth writing home about.
 
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In every way, even the Abrahamic Covenant superseded the Mosaic being unconditional and an everlasting one.
There were, IMO, 2 covenants with Abraham: one unconditional to give the land to Christ (Genesis 15), and one covenant of circumcision (Genesis 17). Covenants can't be added to after they've been made, and the second covenant was made over 13 years after the first one.
 
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Pure speculation and wishful thinking. Bad exegesis too, because there is no scriptural example supporting this. Just the opposite. Only a remnant has ever been saved.

If this was true, all Israel being saved out of Egypt would be a good (and only) example to support your theory. But it is written that GOD afterward destroyed in the wilderness those who didn't believe. Not a salvation worth writing home about.
Zech 12:11-14, zech13:1, zech14;21, rom 11:26, heb8:11
 
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Show me Scripture where you say "but salvation on a large scale has left Israel and is gone to the Gentiles".

Read Rom 11. The picture is that there is a hardening for the most part UNTIL the times of the Gentiles is complete then God is going to save a great in gathering (not all) at the end of the Tribulation (Jacob's Trouble).
The times of the nations will last until the lord returns. Not a believer in your eschatalogical view of Jacob's trouble.
 
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Jesus earthly ministry was primarily to the Israelites, but his death at Calvary was for all who would accept him as their saviour.

Therefore go and make disciples of ALL nations...... Matt 28 19.

I'm not in trouble!
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

So this was a little white lie

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I think we have been over this a dozen times.

First of all Gentile is not mentioned. All that Paul is saying in 9:6 is that not all the physical descendants of Abraham had the faith of Abraham. Just like not all descendants of Abraham were of Israel (e.g. Ishmael, Esau)

Gal 4:28 says we are the Children of promise for we enter into the blessings of Abraham but it never says we are Israelites.
If believers are grafted into the tree of Israel (and all believers are), how can it be said that they aren't Israel?