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That's for you to clarify, you made that original assertion...in order to dodge my passage in Revelation. 
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So I read the beginning threads; analyzed, and now here's my scripture:
Thessalonians 1:4 (Basically read the whole book.)
We know, dear brothers and sisters, that God loves you and has CHOSEN you (Thessalonians -Gentiles) to be His own people. For we brought you the Good News, it was not only with words but also with power, for the Holy Spirit gave you FULL assurance that what we said was true.
Thessalonians 2:12
We pleaded with you, encouraged you, and urged you to live your lives in a way that God would consider worthy. For we called you to share in His Kingdom and glory. Therefore never stop thanking God when you received His message from us, you didn't think of our words as mere human ideas. You accepted what we said as the very word of God--which of course it is. And this word continues to work in you who believe.
And then, dear brothers and sisters, you suffered persecution from your own country-men. In this way, you imitated the believers in God's churches in Judea who, because of their belief in Christ Jesus, suffered from their own people, the Jews. For some of the Jews killed the prophets, and some even killed the Lord Jesus. Now they have persecuted us, too. They fail to please God and work against all humanity as they try to keep us from preaching the Good News of salvation to the Gentiles. By doing this, they continue to pile up their sins. But the anger of God has caught up with them at last.
*****Thessalonians 4:9
BUT we don't need to write to you about the importance of loving each other, for God Himself has taught you to love one another. Indeed, you already show love for all the believers throughout Macedonia. Even so, dear brothers and sisters, we urge you to love them even more.*****
2 Thessalonians 2:13 (Events prior to the Second Coming- deception)
As for us, we can't help but thank God for you, dear brothers and sisters loved by the Lord. We are always thankful that God CHOSE you (Thessalonians- Gentiles) to be amoungst the first to experience salvation--a salvation that came through the Spirit who makes you holy and through your belief in the truth. He called you to salvation when we told you the Good News; now you can share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
The most relevant and important scripture is Thessalonians 4:9 that states 'loving each other, for God Himself taught you to love one another.'
This thread began that we 'Christians' persecute Jews?? That's a blanket statement, because I myself do care what's happening to Israel. Unfortunately I personally believe out of love; God has granted the Holy Spirit to anyone that seeks God and Jesus with a whole heart. Sorry, but the scripture I posted shows Jews are not the only chosen people anymore, which is a good thing. We need to love each other and help each other!! <3
Thessalonians 1:4 (Basically read the whole book.)
We know, dear brothers and sisters, that God loves you and has CHOSEN you (Thessalonians -Gentiles) to be His own people. For we brought you the Good News, it was not only with words but also with power, for the Holy Spirit gave you FULL assurance that what we said was true.
Thessalonians 2:12
We pleaded with you, encouraged you, and urged you to live your lives in a way that God would consider worthy. For we called you to share in His Kingdom and glory. Therefore never stop thanking God when you received His message from us, you didn't think of our words as mere human ideas. You accepted what we said as the very word of God--which of course it is. And this word continues to work in you who believe.
And then, dear brothers and sisters, you suffered persecution from your own country-men. In this way, you imitated the believers in God's churches in Judea who, because of their belief in Christ Jesus, suffered from their own people, the Jews. For some of the Jews killed the prophets, and some even killed the Lord Jesus. Now they have persecuted us, too. They fail to please God and work against all humanity as they try to keep us from preaching the Good News of salvation to the Gentiles. By doing this, they continue to pile up their sins. But the anger of God has caught up with them at last.
*****Thessalonians 4:9
BUT we don't need to write to you about the importance of loving each other, for God Himself has taught you to love one another. Indeed, you already show love for all the believers throughout Macedonia. Even so, dear brothers and sisters, we urge you to love them even more.*****
2 Thessalonians 2:13 (Events prior to the Second Coming- deception)
As for us, we can't help but thank God for you, dear brothers and sisters loved by the Lord. We are always thankful that God CHOSE you (Thessalonians- Gentiles) to be amoungst the first to experience salvation--a salvation that came through the Spirit who makes you holy and through your belief in the truth. He called you to salvation when we told you the Good News; now you can share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
The most relevant and important scripture is Thessalonians 4:9 that states 'loving each other, for God Himself taught you to love one another.'
This thread began that we 'Christians' persecute Jews?? That's a blanket statement, because I myself do care what's happening to Israel. Unfortunately I personally believe out of love; God has granted the Holy Spirit to anyone that seeks God and Jesus with a whole heart. Sorry, but the scripture I posted shows Jews are not the only chosen people anymore, which is a good thing. We need to love each other and help each other!! <3
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Romans chps, 8,9,11 are SO clear, only the deceived can miss it. 8:1-2 The only way to miss condemnation is by the new birth,"For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set me free from the law of sin and death." 9:13 "Jacob I loved" apply Rom.8:29-30 and Eph.1:4-5 those "loved" of God are Predestined to eternal life. Jacob was "IN Christ" before the foundation of the world. 2cor.5:17 All "in Christ" are new creations of GOD. Jacob was chosen in Christ, and made a new creation,"born of God" before the N.T. time. Rom.11:15, "For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world,(70ad) what will their acceptance but life from the dead?" (the second coming of Jesus) Love to all. Hoffco
It had a great, high wall, with twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and on the gates the names of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel were inscribed—on the east three gates, on the north three gates, on the south three gates, and on the west three gates. And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
(Rev 21:12-14)
Perhaps the assumption is yours?
The distinction is already there, I am not trying to make it.. How do you explain it (away)?
(Rev 21:12-14)
Perhaps the assumption is yours?
The distinction is already there, I am not trying to make it.. How do you explain it (away)?
Hello HeRose,
The apostles are not considered Israel, because once any Israelite receives Christ as Lord, then and now, they then belong to the body of Christ. Therefore, the apostles are considered as belonging to the church even though they are from the lineage of Israel.
Those Israelites who did not and currently do not receive Christ, are the nation Israel proper. As for the body of Christ, there is now neither Jew nor Gentile for all are in Christ. Those of Israel who have died in Christ, along with the Gentile believers, will be resurrected as the body of Christ. Immediately after that, those who are of Israel who are in Christ and are still alive along with the Gentile believers, will be changed in a moment and will be caught up together. At the resurrection and catching away, those who are of Israel who have not received Christ, they are the one's who will remain here and will be the one's who will partake in the time of Jacob's trouble and upon whom the prophesies regarding Israel will be fulfilled.
The apostles are not considered Israel, because once any Israelite receives Christ as Lord, then and now, they then belong to the body of Christ. Therefore, the apostles are considered as belonging to the church even though they are from the lineage of Israel.
Those Israelites who did not and currently do not receive Christ, are the nation Israel proper. As for the body of Christ, there is now neither Jew nor Gentile for all are in Christ. Those of Israel who have died in Christ, along with the Gentile believers, will be resurrected as the body of Christ. Immediately after that, those who are of Israel who are in Christ and are still alive along with the Gentile believers, will be changed in a moment and will be caught up together. At the resurrection and catching away, those who are of Israel who have not received Christ, they are the one's who will remain here and will be the one's who will partake in the time of Jacob's trouble and upon whom the prophesies regarding Israel will be fulfilled.
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What an extraordinary statement. Jewish believers are not Israel, only unbelievers are God's chosen nation. That destroys any slight credence your position might have had. Have you read the Bible? Rom 9-11 says exactly the opposite to you. It says that it is the believing remnant who are Israel. You need to do some PROPER study.
this covent with Israel is in the future
24For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries,
and will bring you into your own land.25Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you,
and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will
take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27And I will put my spirit within you, and [cause you to walk] in [my statutes],
and ye[ shall] keep [my judgments], and do them.
28And ye shall dwell in the land that [I gave to your fathers]; and ye shall be my people,
and I will be your God. 29I will also save you from all your uncleannesses:
and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.
30And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye
shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen.
31Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good,
and [shall lothe yourselves] in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.
again
43And there shall ye remember your ways, and all your doings, wherein ye have been defiled;
and ye shall [lothe yourselves] in your own sight for all your evils that ye have committed.
44And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have wrought with you for my name's sake,
not according to your wicked ways, nor according to your corrupt doings, O ye house of Israel,
saith the Lord God.
24For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries,
and will bring you into your own land.25Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you,
and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will
take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27And I will put my spirit within you, and [cause you to walk] in [my statutes],
and ye[ shall] keep [my judgments], and do them.
28And ye shall dwell in the land that [I gave to your fathers]; and ye shall be my people,
and I will be your God. 29I will also save you from all your uncleannesses:
and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.
30And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye
shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen.
31Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good,
and [shall lothe yourselves] in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.
again
43And there shall ye remember your ways, and all your doings, wherein ye have been defiled;
and ye shall [lothe yourselves] in your own sight for all your evils that ye have committed.
44And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have wrought with you for my name's sake,
not according to your wicked ways, nor according to your corrupt doings, O ye house of Israel,
saith the Lord God.
the bible disagrees with you
Christ is sitting on the right hand of God, says David not ascended yet
33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father
the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself,
The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Christ is sitting on the right hand of God, says David not ascended yet
33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father
the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself,
The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,