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People have to be extraordinarily clueless (or brainwashed) to not see that Jesus was the mediator of the new covenant with the house of Israel, and that that covenant was made at the last supper, which can only mean that the 11 disciples are the house of Israel because no one else was present.
I'm astonished at what I'm hearing. This is worse than all of the carnal twisting and contorting that Hebrew Roots and law keeper folks employ.
Sorry for having to call you folks clueless, but you really are.
I'm astonished at what I'm hearing. This is worse than all of the carnal twisting and contorting that Hebrew Roots and law keeper folks employ.
Sorry for having to call you folks clueless, but you really are.
Clueless? When it comes to understanding you, yes i'm clueless. You are not God Almighty, but you speak like you are His final authority. i always see you say (i have proof). Well you may have proof, that you have proved to your self, but you won't prove to me that disobeying is better than being obedient. So quit speaking like you know all the mysteries, and any one that doesn't agree with you are clueless sheep. Remember Jesus said what you have done to the least of these you have done to Him. Come down of that high horse, its better than being knocked off it.
i don't see what you see, but does that make me blind? Maybe i'm blind to what you see, but i do see what i see. Does that make me better than you? No! Does you seeing something i don't see better than me? i don't think so! So instead of telling people how clueless they are, pray for them that they might see what you see.
26A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will
take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27And I will put my spirit within you, and [cause you to walk] in [my statutes],
and ye[ shall] keep [my judgments], and do them.
28And ye shall dwell in the land that [I gave to your fathers]; and ye shall be my people,
and I will be your God. 29I will also save you from all your uncleannesses:
and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.
so this is a current covenent, are you living in [the land] he gave to the fathers?
no famine or heathen nations around, will be no more
are you doing Gods statues and judgements he gave are forfathers?
I do not think so. this is a future covent with the house of Israel
42Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac,
and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.
43The land also shall be left of them, and shall enjoy her sabbaths, while she lieth desolate without them: and they shall accept of the punishment of their iniquity: because, even because they despised my judgments, and because their soul abhorred my statutes.
44And yet for all that, when they be in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I am the Lord their God.
45But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I am the Lord.
46These are the statutes and judgments and laws, which the Lord made between him and the children of Israel in mount Sinai by the hand of Moses.
take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27And I will put my spirit within you, and [cause you to walk] in [my statutes],
and ye[ shall] keep [my judgments], and do them.
28And ye shall dwell in the land that [I gave to your fathers]; and ye shall be my people,
and I will be your God. 29I will also save you from all your uncleannesses:
and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.
so this is a current covenent, are you living in [the land] he gave to the fathers?
no famine or heathen nations around, will be no more
are you doing Gods statues and judgements he gave are forfathers?
I do not think so. this is a future covent with the house of Israel
42Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac,
and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.
43The land also shall be left of them, and shall enjoy her sabbaths, while she lieth desolate without them: and they shall accept of the punishment of their iniquity: because, even because they despised my judgments, and because their soul abhorred my statutes.
44And yet for all that, when they be in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I am the Lord their God.
45But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I am the Lord.
46These are the statutes and judgments and laws, which the Lord made between him and the children of Israel in mount Sinai by the hand of Moses.
Nevertheless I will remember my covenant with thee in the days of thy youth,
and I will establish unto thee an everlasting covenant.
and I will establish unto thee an everlasting covenant.
My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.
My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
The secret of the Lord is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.
My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.
The secret of the Lord is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.
The church is called 'the Israel of God' in Gal 6.16. The previous verse has made clear that divisions have been broken down and that there is neither circumcision nor uncircumcision but ONE new creation. Thus the Israel of God must be that new creation.
Furthermore in Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek. How then can there be an Israel of God which does not include both?
Unless Paul is totally contradicting himself 'the Israel of God' MUST be the whole church.
Furthermore in Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek. How then can there be an Israel of God which does not include both?
Unless Paul is totally contradicting himself 'the Israel of God' MUST be the whole church.
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The new covenant with the house of Israel prophesied
Jesus makes the new covenant ...
... with the house of Israel
The new covenant with the house of Israel prophesied
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jeremiah 31:31
Jesus makes the new covenant ...
For this is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Matthew 26:28
... with the house of Israel
Now when the evening was come, he sat down with the twelve. Matthew 26:20
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After the regathering of the Jews, who were scattered into many nations, back to their homeland and becoming a nation in 1948, is not that an incredible turn of events that favored the Jews as a people after much suffering and being dispersed? Do you know of another people and nation that this has happened to? May I remind you this state of Israel occured approximately 1915 years after Pentecost and the beginning of the Christian church which has continued to the present. The church and body of Christ has also been active during this time alongside the favor that has been showed to the people of Israel. There are two distinct bodies that have been showed favor from God, one being Israel which is still in unbelief and two being the church (called out ones) who have believed on the Son of God. One has not replaced the other and both are intact presently, being imperfect as they are.
Paul prayed to God in (Romans 10) that Israel might be saved for they were a disobedient and gainsaying people (v.21) because he knew that God had not cast away his people which he foreknew (Rom 11:2) who had been blinded in part (v.25). Paul was a member of the church and to this very day his prayer is still active within the pillar and ground of the church.
Rom 11:25-36
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
Paul prayed to God in (Romans 10) that Israel might be saved for they were a disobedient and gainsaying people (v.21) because he knew that God had not cast away his people which he foreknew (Rom 11:2) who had been blinded in part (v.25). Paul was a member of the church and to this very day his prayer is still active within the pillar and ground of the church.
Rom 11:25-36
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
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It would be impossible to be saved through the law...did you read my post wrong? As it is though, the actual purpose of the law was to reveal sin.
Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Galatians 3:19
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This could not be further from the truth. I believe that God never changed. What did change is that I don't have to bring the sin sacrifice because my Saviour did that for me and showed us the perfect grace. This is not difficult to understand but people want to see Israel the nation and a piece of land but they can't see the spiritual Israel.
I can read both OT & NT because they are both relevant to me as a Bible believing child of God. People struggle with the OT because they believe it was written for the Jews and we have no part in it, but we know that God will always be the same and therefor we can read the whole Bible.
Like I said before there were never ever ever salvation in keeping the law. The law was to show us the characteristics of God and if He never changed I doubt it that His characteristics changed
I can read both OT & NT because they are both relevant to me as a Bible believing child of God. People struggle with the OT because they believe it was written for the Jews and we have no part in it, but we know that God will always be the same and therefor we can read the whole Bible.
Like I said before there were never ever ever salvation in keeping the law. The law was to show us the characteristics of God and if He never changed I doubt it that His characteristics changed
the law does not reveal the characteristics of God. it reveals sin.
What is the main characteristic of God? 'thou shalt not?' I don't think so
there is confusion here
God IS Spirit...he is holy, omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent, immutable, righteous and others...that is not revealed in the law...oh, you might think so if you already know something about God...but how does a person see these things if they do not know God? All they see is their tendency to break the commandments! Which, is exactly the reason for the law
Because IT WAS. Some of you people seem to think that God has never worked in the past, but after the return there were a number of great 'revivals' and the land prospered more and more. All that was promised in those promises was fulfilled.
And then the promises came to final fulfilment in the Coming of Jesus Christ which so many of you seem to try to bypass or see as some minor event. Jesus Christ finally established the new everlasting covenant, the covenant in the blood of God. There can be no greater..
And then the promises came to final fulfilment in the Coming of Jesus Christ which so many of you seem to try to bypass or see as some minor event. Jesus Christ finally established the new everlasting covenant, the covenant in the blood of God. There can be no greater..
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logic?
we are not sinners...we are made righteous in Christ...that is how God sees us...we do sin, but we have an advocate (lawyer or someone to plea our case if you will) with the Father and He is righteous and just and forgives our sin when we admit it and bring it to the light
I am starting to cringe when I read Christians calling themselves sinners
please don't take this the wrong way...it is for good
we are not sinners...we are made righteous in Christ...that is how God sees us...we do sin, but we have an advocate (lawyer or someone to plea our case if you will) with the Father and He is righteous and just and forgives our sin when we admit it and bring it to the light
I am starting to cringe when I read Christians calling themselves sinners
please don't take this the wrong way...it is for good