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In the light of our today's history, God's Story, His Story; It is very ignorant to hold to the replacement idea, since God has made Israel a Nation in this world, for the first time in 2,000 plus yrs. The prophecy is made more sure,than a voice from Heaven, History is always God's plan carried out. Love to all, Hoffco
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I have point that was never addressed. A valid point in my small head.
If He is building His true Israel and we are Israel, and it started at Pentecost, the restoration of true Israel is under the new covenant correct?
Deut 30 tells of this future restoration of Israel. Why doesn't God say "under my new covenant" in this verse.........
4“If your outcasts are at the ends of the earth, from there the LORDyour God will gather you, and from there He will bring you back. 5“The LORD your God will bring you into the land which your fathers possessed, and you shall possess it; and He will prosper you and multiply you more than your fathers. 6“Moreover the LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, so that you may live. 7“The LORD your God will inflict all these curses on your enemies and on those who hate you, who persecuted you. 8“And you shall again obey the LORD, and observe all His commandments which I command you today. 9“Then the LORD your God will prosper you abundantly in all the work of your hand, in the offspring of your body and in the offspring of your cattle and in the produce of your ground, for the LORD will again rejoice over you for good, just as He rejoiced over your fathers; 10if you obey the LORD your God to keep His commandments and His statutes which are written in this book of the law,
If we are Israel being restored, why does God tells us to follow the commands written in His book of the Law and not His new covenant?
If He is building His true Israel and we are Israel, and it started at Pentecost, the restoration of true Israel is under the new covenant correct?
Deut 30 tells of this future restoration of Israel. Why doesn't God say "under my new covenant" in this verse.........
4“If your outcasts are at the ends of the earth, from there the LORDyour God will gather you, and from there He will bring you back. 5“The LORD your God will bring you into the land which your fathers possessed, and you shall possess it; and He will prosper you and multiply you more than your fathers. 6“Moreover the LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, so that you may live. 7“The LORD your God will inflict all these curses on your enemies and on those who hate you, who persecuted you. 8“And you shall again obey the LORD, and observe all His commandments which I command you today. 9“Then the LORD your God will prosper you abundantly in all the work of your hand, in the offspring of your body and in the offspring of your cattle and in the produce of your ground, for the LORD will again rejoice over you for good, just as He rejoiced over your fathers; 10if you obey the LORD your God to keep His commandments and His statutes which are written in this book of the law,
If we are Israel being restored, why does God tells us to follow the commands written in His book of the Law and not His new covenant?
Because the vail was yet over their eyes so that they couldn't see. Everything was in murky shadow back then.
Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. 2 Corinthians 3:12-14
If that was bothering you that I didn't answer, thank you for bringing it to my attention.
Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. 2 Corinthians 3:12-14
If that was bothering you that I didn't answer, thank you for bringing it to my attention.
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To me this answer applies if He DID say, "if you follow my new covenant." The veil would have kept them from seeing what He really said.
SO with the veil being lifted, how can God really mean, "if you follow my NEW covenant." By saying this............. 10if you obey the LORD your God to keep His commandments and His statutes which are written in this book of the law,
SO with the veil being lifted, how can God really mean, "if you follow my NEW covenant." By saying this............. 10if you obey the LORD your God to keep His commandments and His statutes which are written in this book of the law,
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But the thing is, as I've seen through all the threads on here, is you believe that your understanding of scripture is the only understanding of scripture, and when someone does not agree with you then they are automatically in the wrong.
There's been threads where, not just me but others have shown scriptures on certain topics that prove their case and support their understandings of scripture and make sense, yet even though they show this to you, you refuse to pay attention to it. Then you slander that said person because it doesn't line up with your understanding.
There's been threads where, not just me but others have shown scriptures on certain topics that prove their case and support their understandings of scripture and make sense, yet even though they show this to you, you refuse to pay attention to it. Then you slander that said person because it doesn't line up with your understanding.
Lol Dan will judge his people simply means that Dan will judge Dan.
Israel's judge is God and He has determined that with the coming of the Messiah Israel will be limited to believers in the Messiah. That is no reason for the name of Dan to be omitted. Whenever the twelve tribes are named after the early days one tribe is omitted. The twelve was symbolic of the thirteen
Israel's judge is God and He has determined that with the coming of the Messiah Israel will be limited to believers in the Messiah. That is no reason for the name of Dan to be omitted. Whenever the twelve tribes are named after the early days one tribe is omitted. The twelve was symbolic of the thirteen
Greetings Hoffco,
I don't know if you have realized this yet, but Valiant, Bowman and Cassian are A-Millennialists. Therefore, if you haven't studied anything about this belief, you might want to, for it would help you to understand why they don't adhere to scripture. For the most part, most end time events and anything related they spiritualized or allegorized, which is why it makes it so difficult to prove your literal point through scripture.
I don't know if you have realized this yet, but Valiant, Bowman and Cassian are A-Millennialists. Therefore, if you haven't studied anything about this belief, you might want to, for it would help you to understand why they don't adhere to scripture. For the most part, most end time events and anything related they spiritualized or allegorized, which is why it makes it so difficult to prove your literal point through scripture.
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I don't slander those who don't agree with me.
If someone is being rude towards others, and slanders other's, that's not very nice.
We're suppose to loving and learn from each other, not slander and argue.
If I have slandered someone in anyway by name calling, then I would appreciate if it was pointed out.
You are correct, I am not Christian. By blood (through my father and mother) I am Jewish, therefor I claim myself as a Jew who believes and follows Yeshua the Messiah.
Similar to MarC, even though we do have different views on scripture.
If someone is being rude towards others, and slanders other's, that's not very nice.
We're suppose to loving and learn from each other, not slander and argue.
If I have slandered someone in anyway by name calling, then I would appreciate if it was pointed out.
You are correct, I am not Christian. By blood (through my father and mother) I am Jewish, therefor I claim myself as a Jew who believes and follows Yeshua the Messiah.
Similar to MarC, even though we do have different views on scripture.
K
For further reference ...Amillennialism teaches that there will not be a future "millennium"[SUP][2][/SUP] in which Christ will reign on earth prior to the eternal state beginning, but rather
- that Jesus is presently reigning from heaven, seated at the right hand of God the Father,
- that Jesus also is and will remain with the church until the end of the world, as he promised at the Ascension,
- that at Pentecost, the millennium began, as is shown by Peter using the prophecies of Joel, about the coming of the kingdom, to explain what was happening,
- and that, therefore the Church and its spread of the good news is Christ's Kingdom and forever will be.
Now we know what we are dealing with.So I would simply ignore them and move on with the discussion.
