"replacement theology" - what is it?

[Utah]

They aren't saved yet brother,they will be at a future time according to Romans because that is Gods plan.

That seems unjust to all other unbelievers throughout space and time, but rather than questioning God on His divine omnipotence, I'm just going to sit back, relax, and embrace the grace.

 

[kaylagrl]

It would be wonderful to preach the Gospel in Israel but the Government there wont allow it. The Christian organisations that are there are welcome to supply material benefits and cash on the understanding that they wont proselytize. There are Christian Churches but most of the members are Palestinian and are generally ignored by the Western Church
The majority of the worlds Jewry live outside Israel. The largest population live in the USA so there plenty of opportunities to share the Gospel with them. If the state of Israel is part of Gods Plan it is strange that after sixty eight years most Jewish people are content to stay outside of it, especially when Israel has given any genuine Jew free citizenship. The seed of Abraham was and is Jesus. The whole point of Israel was to prepared the world for his coming.

Although Israel describes itself as a Jewish state, all religious groups have freedom to practice and maintain communal institutions in Israel. According to the 2009 US Department of State report on Israel and the occupied territories, "The Israeli Basic Law on Human Dignity and Liberty provides for freedom of worship and the Government generally respected this right in practice."

After gaining control of the West Bank in 1967, Israel guaranteed Muslim access to mosques including the Al-Aqsa Mosque and Christian access to churches. Wikipedia

The country’s laws and policies provide for religious freedom and the government generally respected religious freedom in practice. The trend in the government’s respect for religious freedom did not change significantly during the year. The Basic Law on Human Dignity and Liberty protects religious freedom through reference to the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel. The declaration describes the country as a Jewish state with full social and political equality, regardless of religious affiliation, and provides for freedom of religion.- US Department of State

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I have found it better to not directly engage this person. You were not here when she inundated the boards with this satanic doctrine before. At that time she posted that the holocaust didn't happen. Others besides myself were outraged and disgusted at this claim. She then tried to amend it to mean that maybe only 1 million not 6 million were murdered. And heck, because so many others died in WWII, why all the attention to these people who aren't even real jews?

She left for 2-3 yrs and this issue rarely reared it's ugly head during that time.

The problem is there are wonderful, caring, sweet, brothers and sisters that I greatly love and respect that have ascribed themselves to what I believe is a dangerous doctrine that almost by necessity breeds antisemitism.

It has also taken much time away from love and fellowship that we ALL could use more of. I'm not sure what the solution is beyond occasionally reminding people where this destructive doctrine ultimately leads, as personified by the OP.

you know what is sad, It would not matter if the holocaust was against another race. Another religion, Or whoever it was against was horrific. The world has never seen anything like it. To sit there and ignore the truth about what happened and try to say it did not happen, or was not as bad, just goes to prove how low people will go.

We can be certain if it was americans, or germans, or italians, or another group. this denial of the fact would not be happening, It is like has been going on since Isreal first became a nation. Like I said yesterday, If the US was attacked like the palesinians attack Israel. there would be an outcry against Mexico.. But since it is Israel. Same ole story. This just proves what we all have been saying.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Actually, kaylagrl, you are very often arguing ad hominem (not just in this thread), insulting and your posts are too aggressive.

So let us calm down and get back to Scripture.

Has anyone seen this person say the same thing to Zone?

Well of course not.. Another proof.. WHat more needs to be said, If your with me, you can do whatever you want, If your against me, I will call you out over and over. Its called hypocrisy.

 

[kaylagrl]

Here are a few things taught in the Talmud that the Jews follow today and have followed for centuries. I had to edit this list because it was too filthy to post here.

This is who you are standing for when you stand for Israel.

SATANIC VERSES OF THE TALMUD’S
BLASPHEMIES AGAINST JESUS CHRIST, THE VIRGIN MARY,
& ALL CHRISTIANS

* “‘Yashu’ (derogatory for ‘Jesus’) is in Hell being boiled in hot excrement.” (Gittin 57a)

[’Yashu’ is an acronym for the Jewish curse, ‘May his (Jesus) name be wiped out forevermore.’]

* Yashu (Jesus) was sexually immoral and worshipped a brick.” (Sanhedrin 107b)

* “Yashu (Jesus) was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness and refused to repent.” (Sotah 47a)

* “She who was the descendant of princes and governors (the virgin Mary) played the harlot with carpenters.” (Sanhedrin 106a)

* “Christians who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations.” (Rosh Hashanah 17a)

A wide topic filled with views and opinions of different scholars. A brief inspection would show that there are questions as to the accusations against the Talmud and the truthfulness of those accusations. You are presenting a biased and one sided view,not that I am surprised.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_the_Talmud

 

[eternally-gratefull]

...The older dispensationalist writers, such as Darby, Scofield, and Chafer, avoided some of these embarrassing questions and implications because their distinction between Israel and the Church was more consistent and more radical. Scofield believed that the Jews of the end times were to be saved according to the Law of Moses, with renewed animal sacrifices. His scheme of interpretation envisioned a time when the parenthetical "Church age" has ended and the Law of Moses is reinstituted for salvific purposes.

ok here we go. The first bit of slander. Anyone who wishes can read scofield's. Scofield himself stated that all people everywhere were and are saved by grace through faith alone. and that no one has ever, or will ever be saved by law.

Like some other people in CC.. We have people who want to get their doctrines from listining to others. Who have never even took to time to actually read what the person actually believes. And has gone on a slanderous hate inspired war of false truths and slanderous lies. in order to support their open belief system.

This line of reasoning is the exact line of questioning a few years ago that started the whole debate which got so many people banned, (I suppose including herself) and let to a far greater division than even hyper grace caused just a few short months ago.

Beware of the leaven.. Run. Hide Do not buy into the slander of lies of these people.

 

[trofimus]

Has anyone seen this person say the same thing to Zone?

Well of course not.. Another proof.. WHat more needs to be said, If your with me, you can do whatever you want, If your against me, I will call you out over and over. Its called hypocrisy.

Why do you have a need to start personal affairs again? Simply stop it and continue in a Bible discussion like the rest of us.

Almost all your posts begin or end with some personal attack.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Can you guys explain what this verse means.

Romans 9:8 KJV
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Yes, that inspite of the jewish(namely legalistic leaders of jews, not the nation as a whole) lie and false belief that all jews by blood will get to heaven. That is not true, In this case (context) there is no male female. No jew or gentile. No slave or free. we are one in Christ. And we are children of the promise "In you shall alll the nations of the world be blessed"

However. This has NOTHING to do with the other promises God gave to abraham, or the PHYSICAL nation of Isreal. God NEVER promised to save every descendent of abraham in this line, But he did give them certain things.

WHich is another context.

Of course, you have been told thos OVER AND OVER AND OVER.. and seem to deny anyone ever responds. Maybe I should make a copy of this post so later when you do the same thing, I can show it to the whole chatroom how insincere you are?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Would someone please explain to me why this doctrine is so Satanic and why it necessitates Jew-hating?

Believing, on conviction of scripture, that the Church replaced Israel does not necessarily mean that one thinks Jews are any less-worthy of salvation than anybody else. It also does not in any way (logically) determine whether or not one thinks the Israeli state should exist- it just means you have to evaluate Israel's actions with the same criteria of every other country.

The only real problem I see with "Replacement Theology" is that it interprets certain prophecies symbolically when there debatable context available to justify that interpretation.

To claim it is somehow the doorway to Anti-Semitism is just logically unsound. Suppose we lived in a world where Brazilians were considered the current chosen people by denominations of Christians- saying that they are not is not indicative of a hatred for Brazilians or a belief that they have no viable territorial claim to Sao Paulo.

read some of the posts in here, You will see were we come up with this idea.

I would agree, Not all Amills, or preterists, or whatever they call themselves are antisemetic.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Are those blind individuals saved because they are Jewish?

if they are blind, how can they be saved? Whether they be jewish or not? Just asking.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Why do you have a need to start personal affairs again? Simply stop it and continue in a Bible discussion like the rest of us.

Almost all your posts begin or end with some personal attack.

Calling out the truth is an attack?

If the truth hurts bro..

It wouldl be one thing if you were consistent and called zone out. But I have yet to see this (If you have forgive me)

You called a sister out. Yet I have never seen you call Zone out, who attacked to no end quite a few people Why is this?

Maybe if people would be more honest and do the same for all. not showing favorites. I would not have to call people out..

 

[Bladerunner]

Where does it say that in the bible? Remember, the Old Covenant for the land has been done away with in Christ, they are under a new covenant now and land wasn't in the new covenant. Also remember those people in Israel right now hate God, hate Jesus and hate you. Even if the old land covenant was still in effect, those people in Israel have not repented and God would not bring them back into the land until they did.

The Old covenant and the New Covenant has nothing to do with the PROMISE God made to Abraham in Genesis 12:1-3

" Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: 2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: 3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed."

You are walking a very thin line with your attacks on Israel. How do you know they hate you and me,,, How do you know they hate God....How do you know they Hate Jesus......Show me you information to confirm that.

Yes, They have not taken Jesus as their Messiah therefore they have turned away from God to which He tells us two-thirds of those alive will die during the 7 years of God's Wrath. The other 1/3 that have either been Raptured, Martyred or has lived through the Great Tribulations will still be His Children. Rem this very carefully,,,, Jesus will rule from Jerusalem from the very temple mount the Islamic Muslims now have their mosque on. Of course there will be no Muslims left in the world except those that have chosen to accept Jesus Christ over alalah (the moon God).

Show me your proof because the Bible says Different.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

All you have to say is:

I think that is wrong, because ...
that is unbiblical, because ...
that is heresy, because ...

But beyond that what? Why these personal attacks?

For a forum to run properly you need to respect people you disagree with; there are times you need to entertain the notion that you may be wrong and someone else is right - unless you think you are the Apostle Paul or someone highly elevated, who has spoken face to face with Jesus and had things scrupulously explained to him or her.

If you violently disagree with someone, e.g. you think they are caught up in a heresy, then state your objections reasonably, and then as in the Church, cut off contact with them.

 

[zone]

please stay on topic folks.

re: Abraham

Hebrews 11
8By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to a place that he was to receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. 9By faith he went to live in the land of promise, as in a foreign land, living in tents with Isaac and Jacob, heirs with him of the same promise. 10For he was looking forward to the city that has foundations, whose designer and builder is God. 11By faith Sarah herself received power to conceive, even when she was past the age, since she considered him faithful who had promised. 12Therefore from one man, and him as good as dead, were born descendants as many as the stars of heaven and as many as the innumerable grains of sand by the seashore.

13These all died in faith, not having received the things promised, but having seen them and greeted them from afar, and having acknowledged that they were strangers and exiles on the earth. 14For people who speak thus make it clear that they are seeking a homeland. 15If they had been thinking of that land from which they had gone out, they would have had opportunity to return. 16But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared for them a city.

 

[zone]

...Yes, They have not taken Jesus as their Messiah therefore they have turned away from God to which He tells us two-thirds of those alive will die during the 7 years of God's Wrath. The other 1/3 that have either been Raptured, Martyred or has lived through the Great Tribulations will still be His Children. Rem this very carefully,,,, Jesus will rule from Jerusalem from the very temple mount the Islamic Muslims now have their mosque on. Of course there will be no Muslims left in the world except those that have chosen to accept Jesus Christ over alalah (the moon God).

Show me your proof because the Bible says Different.

error in every sentence.
ask someone how to help you out of all that error.
posting this scenario repeatedly doesn't make it true.
it isn't islam isn't in scripture.
7 years of God's wrath - where does that come from?
oh.....Daniel 9. right.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

error in every sentence.
ask someone how to help you out of all that error.

error? But no proof. and no response.

And I was wrong saying this op was not for discussion purposes?? SMH..

If you disagree with someone, Explain what you disagree, and show why, To just say "your wrong" is not discusion. It is saying it is my way or the hi way.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

Exactly. A CITY.

For the Lord has created a new thing on the earth: a woman encompasses a man.

Daughter Zion now encompasses Israel, the Son.

 

[trofimus]

Calling out the truth is an attack?

If the truth hurts bro..

It wouldl be one thing if you were consistent and called zone out. But I have yet to see this (If you have forgive me)

You called a sister out. Yet I have never seen you call Zone out, who attacked to no end quite a few people Why is this?

Maybe if people would be more honest and do the same for all. not showing favorites. I would not have to call people out..

Please, write posts according to your signature:

"Eternally Grateful for the grace God has shown a wretched soul such as myself.
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus"

You will make it all more pleasant for all of us.

I do not want to spam this forum out of topic, so this is my last post about it.

 

[Bladerunner]

" Dispensational theology teaches as much. It places restoration before repentance in regards to Israel, the nation. This is contrary to every requirement God has placed on mankind throughout all of creation."

Does it????? Right now we are in the "age of Grace".......How is that different???????

"And it is also how we know that today's nation of Israel is not a biblical fulfillment of prophecy. Some will say that one day "all Israel will be saved". Yet, we all know that only a remnant will be lead unto repentance. How do you then reconcile the two ? You can't. "

Why sure it is....God brought the people back to their land after 2600 years and it was foretold by Ezekiel. Yes, there is a group within Israel that does not believe that Jesus is the Messiah but they still believe in God. And God tells us HE (HE) will punish them for this discretion. Roughly 2/3 of those left behind after the Rapture will not make it and the other third will be forever in his loving light.


"Remember that it was God Himself that brought on the complete destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D., as Jesus had told them He would. Politics and world organizations do not dictate the hand of God. On the contrary. He may well use them for His purpose. But for what purpose ? One that is contrary to our "God that never changes" ... except in this case ?"

God brought it on,,,,,NO...He did not stop it and He predicted it because from the beginning He already knew that it was going to happen. He gives man free will, because He knows the future for everyone.

"Dispensational theology can only work under such conditions. And it is in grave error. Today's Jews, wherever they may be are welcomed into God's Kingdom in Christ in the same manner as us Gentiles. Repentance and faith by God's grace ... period.

You are right here.... By God's Grace,,,,Amen

"through a regathering into any land anywhere. God's people look for that city whose founder and builder is God ... the heavenly Jerusalem that is above. And He is not ashamed to call them His own. How incredible is that ?"

Yes it is incredible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[zone]

You mean the individuals who are Jewish and blind and die today will be saved in a future?

Or only Jews living in the future and believing in Christ will be saved? But in such case you are saying nothing more then what we do - only the believer in Christ will be saved, Jew or not.

indeed