"replacement theology" - what is it?

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psalm6819 said:
anf yet others make it an argument against the Jew The Bible says savation came thru the Jews
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Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

Salvation is of the Jewish religion, is what Jesus' meant here.

I.E. Jesus was the confirmation of the promise made through Moses in Mosaic law.

I.E. The Law prophesied Jesus.

For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
 
trofimus said:
Can you clarify your logic to me?

God has a nation and this nation is full of the children of Satan? And satan wants to destroy this (his or God´s?) nation... its too complex for me.
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You never studied the OT. I have to wonder if you have to ask this question. Satan has been against Israel from the start. And amazing How God still took his people from Egypt. even though THEY were satanic. (they wanted the gods of Egypt. Not the one true God. no matter how many miracles God did.)

Just like he has been against the church from the start.
 
KJV1611 said:
Which Israel is God's Israel? The FLESH CHILDREN are not the children of God. Why is that so difficult to understand... God didn't say stiff-necked, idol worshipping, prophet killing, God hating, Jesus killing flesh Jews were his people. Why do you insist on giving blessing to a bunch of God haters? Worship is the only reason I can think of.

Everything yall preach goes against the bible.

!st born is blessed.
Flesh gets blessings.
God IS a respector of persons - nations.
Blessed without believing God.
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lol.. We might as well stop.

You want to use romans 9 to make a whole doctrine. I want to use the Whole bible.

No one EVER said national isreal will all get an automatic in to eternal life (the basis of pauls words in romans 9) But God (through inspiration) called them his elect in romans 11. Blind in part. (this in part unsaved and headed to hell) but still, Our enemy concerning the gospel. But beloved concerning the election.

why?

[SUP]29 [/SUP]For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

The calling of Israel was NEVER in context of all Israel coming to Christ and being saved for all time, The calling of Isreal was to make them a special nation set apart from Gods work.

Being a "flesh" child never saved anyone. It was never INTENDED to save anyone, And your consistent insinuation that I say otherwise is getting old.
 
trofimus said:
Do me a favour and reread all the history. Thanks.
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I have, (studied this subject since I was in my late teens)

Now you read all the bible ok?

edit. While your at it, Take your blinders off. I had to do this to get rid of some of my preconceived ideas, and many of the things I was taught as a child were found to be in error.

if we do not open our hearts and minds, We will continue to go on the same path, If we are right, thats no issue, but if we are wrong, thats never a good thing, we will continue believing the lie, and judging others who believe the truth.
 
KJV1611 said:
Not true! When we speak the truth about an evil nation to COUNTER your claim of them being God's chosen people that does not make us HATE a nation! Our ACCURATE description of the Jews is not hating a nation.
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Dude, When you have TWO nations commiting Crimes, And you JUDGE one nation, and say you FEEL SORRY for the other. You are attacking one nation, and called a HATER..

You have done that yourself when you have slammed jews for their crimes, But basically gave Palestine and Islam grace for their crimes



It has absolutely NOTHING to do with you telling your belief. If that was true I would call ALL amills or Preterists or whatever you call yourselves bigots or antisemitism, I do not call them that. So your lieing about even this!

Do you ever admit when you are wrong? Or is that just too hard?

Get over yourself dude.
 
trofimus said:
I dont think its Jewish. It comes from within the evangelical Christianity.

Othodox or Roman Catholics or Lutherans etc do not have this problem.
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well of course not. They follow the roman theology..
 
Spurgeoncy said:

Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

Salvation is of the Jewish religion, is what Jesus' meant here.

I.E. Jesus was the confirmation of the promise made through Moses in Mosaic law.

I.E. The Law prophesied Jesus.

For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
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And Christ was the son of David, A jew of Jews..

Thus salvation came through Abraham, Through David, Throught Judah, Through Jews.

Does it mean you worship Jews to make this claim?

No, No more than saying you HATE other nations by saying this,
 
eternally-gratefull said:

And Christ was the son of David, A jew of Jews..

Thus salvation came through Abraham, Through David, Throught Judah, Through Jews.

Does it mean you worship Jews to make this claim?

No, No more than saying you HATE other nations by saying this,
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Where does the Bible say Christ

was the Son of David?
 
You don't like allegory EG, and you cannot accept that Paul's letters are rich with cross-references and illustrations from the Old Testament.

Why don't you do your own translation.

"The Bible for Babies with the difficult bits chopped out"

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Now you are attacking John 4 with your plastic tomahawk.

Sorry, I am getting fed up with this attitude.
 
Spurgeoncy said:
You don't like allegory EG, and you cannot accept that Paul's letters are rich with cross-references and illustrations from the Old Testament.

Why don't you do your own translation.

"The Bible for Babies with the difficult bits chopped out"

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Now you are attacking John 4 with your plastic tomahawk.

Sorry, I am getting fed up with this attitude.
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I am getting fed up being told what I do and do not believe also. So maybe if you STOP trying to tell me what I believe You will stop getting the attitude.

It is your opinion paul is talking in allegory. You want to believe that, that's fine, STOP JUDGING people who do not..

Why do you think people get so mad all the time? It is because people feel they have the right to tell them what they believe (the truth of what they really believe does not matter) and it is my way or the highway.

Both of wich you are doing right now..
 
Spurgeoncy said:
Where does the Bible say Christ

was the Son of David?
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Matthew 1:1 [ The Genealogy of Jesus Christ ] The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham:


Even the people of Isreal knew he was the son of david.

Matthew 9:27
[ Two Blind Men Healed ] When Jesus departed from there, two blind men followed Him, crying out and saying, “Son of David, have mercy on us!”

They knew the messiah would be the son of david.

Matthew 12:23
And all the multitudes were amazed and said, “Could this be the Son of David?”

anyway, More passages.

Matthew 15:22
And behold, a woman of Canaan came from that region and cried out to Him, saying, “Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David! My daughter is severely demon-possessed.”

Matthew 20:30
And behold, two blind men sitting by the road, when they heard that Jesus was passing by, cried out, saying, “Have mercy on us, O Lord, Son of David!”

Matthew 20:31
Then the multitude warned them that they should be quiet; but they cried out all the more, saying, “Have mercy on us, O Lord, Son of David!”

Matthew 21:9
Then the multitudes who went before and those who followed cried out, saying: “Hosanna to the Son of David! ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ Hosanna in the highest!”

Matthew 22:42
saying, “What do you think about the Christ? Whose Son is He?” They said to Him, “The Son of David.”

there are many many more in all the gospels. Just type in the words son of david

Romans 1:3
concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh,
 
Spurgeoncy said:
Eklektos - chosen

Is used 23 times in the New Testament.

On virtually every single occasion it refers to THE CHURCH, (or if not, the Lord)

Kayla - be careful with your railing accusations.

You are starting to sound like a very hollow mouthpiece, and accusing people of Satanism for simply reading and understanding the Bible is a very shameful thing.

I think to be honest you need a lot of prayer.
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Im not accusing people of satanism. Im saying the doctrine is of satan and some have honestly been blinded by it and dont know the truth,while others are antisemitic in their hearts. And antisemitism is truly of satan. Im sure you'd agree antisemitism is from the pit of hell. Save your prayers for those who have antisemitism embedded in their hearts.
 
eternally-gratefull said:

if one reads the chatrooms long enough and listens to a few select people. they would see this in action. by what they say.

And your right Not all are this way.
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I agree there are people who honestly do not know and I believe they are blinded. There are others though that do know and still hold to this false doctrine. I do not lump the two together.
 
kaylagrl said:
I agree there are people who honestly do not know and I believe they are blinded. There are others though that do know and still hold to this false doctrine. I do not lump the two together.
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I have been a religious person. Who held the people God put over me as men who were Gods chosen to teach me all things, and thought they would never lead me astray. And in this attitude, Put my fist up at anything who would disagree.. And did and said some things I am not proud of today, so I know where it comes from.

Sadly I fear many in the "traditional" church have this issue, Because they is what is spoon fed to them.. they become followers of men (like I was) and to even think we may be wrong is totally against us, we would never even fathom it. and how dare anyone tell us to open our minds.

 
kaylagrl said:
Im not accusing people of satanism. Im saying the doctrine is of satan and some have honestly been blinded by it and dont know the truth,while others are antisemitic in their hearts. And antisemitism is truly of satan. Im sure you'd agree antisemitism is from the pit of hell. Save your prayers for those who have antisemitism embedded in their hearts.
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that would not just go for anti jews, but anti anyone, God loves all.. We need to hold them (everyone) all up. and love them as God loved them. Even if we feel they do not deserve it, I certainly do not deserve Gods love..
 
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