At the time of the return from Babylon, God DID NOT make a "NEW COVENANT" with the Nation Israel.
Somebody tell cv5 his entire argument collapses the wilderness‑miracle category into the resurrection‑glory category, even though Scripture never makes that move.
"The clothes not wearing out in Deut 8:4, 29:5, and Neh 9:21 are covenant‑preservation signs for a people in transit, not typological indicators of immortalized flesh"
The “those who DO know vs. those who DO NOT know” line only works if the text itself makes the typological move you’re claiming, but Luke 8 never treats the woman’s healing as a prototype of glorification — it’s a present‑age restoration, just like every other healing Jesus performs, and every one of those healed bodies later weakened, aged, and died, proving they were not glorified; Scripture reserves resurrection‑glory for 1 Cor 15 and Rom 8:23, where the Spirit defines it as the future transformation of the body into an imperishable, Spirit‑animated mode of existence, not the temporary repair of mortal flesh, and the wilderness clothing miracle (Deut 8:4; 29:5; Neh 9:21) is covenant‑preservation during a journey, not a symbol of immortality; so the “rules of the game” are simple — typology must be text‑anchored, not imagination‑anchored, and the difference between knowing and not knowing is refusing to import meanings Scripture never assigns. And if AI is what wrote this then it knows the bible better than you do.
the moment you start swinging “newbie, neophyte, rookie, greenhorn with a laptop and an AI app” like it’s the Sword of the Spirit, you’ve basically announced to the room that you don’t have a single verse left in the chamber, so you’re throwing Chronister‑fan‑club membership cards like ninja stars and hoping someone mistakes them for exegesis;
Many despise the wisdom of elders. A sure sign of......a dire spiritual condition.
Scripture says test everything (Acts 17:11), not “sit quietly for 3–4 years listening to Chronister until you earn the right to read your Bible,” and the idea that spiritual understanding requires a Chronister apprenticeship is peak world‑system gatekeeping — the Bible never says “faith comes by hearing Chronister,” it says “faith comes by hearing the Word of God” (Rom 10:17), so if your argument needs seniority badges instead of Scripture, congratulations, you’ve officially left the text and entered the theological equivalent of “bro, trust me,” which is not exactly the Mount Sinai of authority.
Dropping “many despise the wisdom of elders” like it’s a divine trump card doesn’t magically turn your Chronister‑fan‑club requirement into biblical authority, and tossing Mark 5:30 at me like it’s supposed to vaporize my argument is peak comedy — Jesus asking “Who touched my clothes?” has exactly zero to do with your claim that spiritual maturity requires 3–4 years of Chronister boot camp, so if that’s your proof‑text, then yes, the sarcasm writes itself.
Jesus is the only way, no other path.What lesson is Jesus providing here? Why is he invoking the tabernacle of Moses and OT and emphasizing it so profoundly?
I suggest that you find out. It may help you with your errant view of the specific path of eschatology meant for ISRAEL.
Saying “you have absolutely zero idea of the intense implications of that passage” is just the theological version of “I have a secret level in Mario you’ve never unlocked,” and dropping “tawdry is as tawdry does” like it’s supposed to stun the room doesn’t magically turn Mark 5:30 into a Chronister‑approved mystery; Jesus asking “Who touched my clothes?” is a miracle‑context question, not your personal proof that anyone who disagrees with you is spiritually blind — so if you’ve got implications, bring the text, not the dramatic fog machine.
There are a lot of clear typologies in the OT that are not specifically mentioned by the apostles and NT writers.
None of what you just clarified actually touches the point I made, because the issue was never whether OT typologies exist beyond what the apostles explicitly name — of course they do; the issue was that Mark 5:30 is not a clothing‑typology text, and using it as support for CV’s “clothing = resurrection covering” claim is still a category mistake, because the passage is about present‑age healing, not glorification.
"spiritual maturity requires 3–4 years of Chronister boot camp"
Be careful who you listen to. A lot of false teaching out there.
Scripture says test everything (Acts 17:11), not “sit quietly for 3–4 years listening to Chronister until you earn the right to read your Bible,” and the idea that spiritual understanding requires a Chronister apprenticeship is peak world‑system gatekeeping — the Bible never says “faith comes by hearing Chronister,” it says “faith comes by hearing the Word of God” (Rom 10:17), so if your argument needs seniority badges instead of Scripture, congratulations, you’ve officially left the text and entered the theological equivalent of “bro, trust me,” which is not exactly the Mount Sinai of authority.
Also, this is not a good analogy for your position; because back when I played nintendo, there actually were secret levels, and knowing about them changes how you play through the game. If I simply dismissed my friends claims about secret levels, then I would never know about them- and my knowledge and understanding of the game would be less... I've talked to people that thought they beat Castlevania: Symphony of the night by killing Richter Belmont, when in reality that means they didn't even play half of the game.
Instances of typology don't announce themselves in the text, except in cases where somebody says "This is a parable". Typology is hidden inside of texts of any category... in fact they're hidden outside of the bible too.
The “three‑year pattern” you’re pointing to is real in Scripture — Paul’s Arabia period (Gal 1:17–18), the apostles’ roughly three years with Christ, and the lifelong study of Jewish sages — but none of those examples function as normative requirements for spiritual maturity; they’re descriptions of how God trained specific men for specific callings, not universal timelines binding the church.
Typology is real, but it isn’t a free‑floating “hidden level” you can plug into any verse; biblical typology is always built on textual patterns God Himself establishes — covenant structures, narrative parallels, repeated motifs — not on the mere possibility that a detail might symbolize something.
You foolishly think that the miracle of the clothing is limited in scope and meaning to merely what your unschooled novice mind can conjure? And you actually thought that the manna was nothing more than a free lunch? Go ahead. Say so. I dare you.
