Replacement theology? Yes or No.

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You foolishly think that the miracle of the clothing is limited in scope and meaning to merely what your unschooled novice mind can conjure? And you actually thought that the manna was nothing more than a free lunch? Go ahead. Say so. I dare you.

Jhn 6:31 - Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

Jhn 6:32 - Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
The attitude in that statement — “you foolishly think… your unschooled novice mind… I dare you” — is exactly the kind of speech Scripture repeatedly warns against, because it replaces correction with contempt, and contempt is never a fruit of the Spirit. Scripture says: “Let your speech be always with grace.” The manna typology Jesus gives in John 6 is true — but using it as a platform to belittle someone’s understanding is not. Biblical truth is never defended by derision; it is defended by the Word, spoken in a manner that reflects the One who gave it.
The difference between your sarcasm and mine is , Scripture forbids contempt, not clarity with edge.
What you quoted — “unschooled novice mind,” “foolishly think,” “I dare you” — is reviling, and the Bible names reviling as sin (1 Cor 5:11).
It’s speech meant to degrade the person.
By contrast, when I use sharp language, it is aimed at the argument, not the person, and Scripture actually models that distinction: Elijah mocks idolatry, not the people (1 Kings 18:27); Jesus uses cutting words against hypocrisy, not honest seekers (Matt 23); Paul uses rhetorical sting to expose false logic, not to belittle brethren (Gal 3:1).
The line is clear: Scripture permits strong correction, but it forbids insulting speech.
So if my tone ever crosses into contempt, it must be corrected; but when it stays in the realm of argument‑pressure, Scripture allows it. The attitude you quoted crosses the biblical line because it attacks the person, not the claim. That said,
Nothing in your reply actually overturns the point: manna has a Christ‑typology because Jesus Himself establishes it (John 6:31–32), but the clothing miracle does not, because Scripture never builds a resurrection pattern out of garments that don’t wear out.
The manna typology works because the text gives you a direct Christ‑referent; the clothing miracle is a covenant‑preservation sign — God sustaining Israel in transit — not a resurrection preview.
And the “covering = spirit‑life” idea still conflicts with Paul’s anthropology, because he teaches the body itself will be redeemed and glorified (Rom 8:23), not replaced by a non‑physical covering.
So yes, manna points to Christ because Jesus says so; clothing points to God’s faithfulness because the text says so; and resurrection glory is defined by incorruptible embodiment (1 Cor 15), not wilderness fabric durability.
 
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The “three‑year pattern” you’re pointing to is real in Scripture — Paul’s Arabia period (Gal 1:17–18), the apostles’ roughly three years with Christ, and the lifelong study of Jewish sages — but none of those examples function as normative requirements for spiritual maturity; they’re descriptions of how God trained specific men for specific callings, not universal timelines binding the church.
Yes, they DO in fact set a precedent and pattern. That's why those entries exist to begin with.

In fact a time of training, trials and testing is entirely biblical. And well represented in both the OT and NT.

BTW, Paul spent his entire adult life in Bible study before conversion. Did you think that all of that training was irrelevant to his ministry? And did you think that it was meaningless to Christ when He chose Paul?

And Moses was literally in training for DECADES before his ministry.

And please tell me of ANY first rank Bible scholar of the Church age that got that way by being thunderstruck by Christ and reached that level instantly.

Oh I'm sure Chris Jesus is perfect capable of more than we can imagine and not limited by ways and means. BUT, it is evident that Christ has not chosen this method.
 
Yes, they DO in fact set a precedent and pattern. That's why those entries exist to begin with.

In fact a time of training, trials and testing is entirely biblical. And well represented in both the OT and NT.

BTW, Paul spent his entire adult life in Bible study before conversion. Did you think that all of that training was irrelevant to his ministry? And did you think that it was meaningless to Christ when He chose Paul?

And Moses was literally in training for DECADES before his ministry.

And please tell me of ANY first rank Bible scholar of the Church age that got that way by being thunderstruck by Christ and reached that level instantly.

Oh I'm sure Chris Jesus is perfect capable of more than we can imagine and not limited by ways and means. BUT, it is evident that Christ has not chosen this method.
Do you know how long I’ve trained? You talk as if I just picked this up yesterday. If that’s the case, then why haven’t you disproven anything I’ve said? Whenever someone points out flaws in your system and the lack of evidence to back it up, all they get are belittling personal jabs, which I’ve already shown are not in line with the fruit of the Spirit. And not only did you not respond to that but now you attack my years of training as though you were there. That's a lie and also not fruit of the spirit.
 
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Good morning friend😊
Dispensationalism is not the cause of blindness, rather it is already blind.
Scripture never says tyrants deceive “through Israel,”
never says supporting Israel equals supporting killing,
never says the Antichrist is blocked by a failed rapture,
never says modern geopolitics determines eschatology, and
never says loyalty to any nation sears the conscience.

What Scripture does say is simple:
many antichrists already exist (1 John 2:18),
deception comes from false teachers inside the church (Acts 20:29–30),
the man of lawlessness is future and destroyed by Christ’s appearing (2 Thess 2:8),
and the conscience is seared by departing from the faith through “teachings of demons” (1 Tim 4:1–2), not by political sympathies.

The command to “bless Israel” in Genesis 12:3 is about God’s covenant promise, not modern statecraft, and the NT applies blessing to faith‑Israel (Gal 3:7–9), not geopolitical allegiance. Your critique is replacing Scripture’s concrete eschatology with sociopolitical suspicion and turning warnings meant to guard believers into accusations meant to divide them.

Your morning is evening where I live.
I do not mind discussing these points with you, as I think I have seen some evidence that you care about truth.

Natural laws of social justice are absolutely a Biblical matter (Romans 2:14), and should guide our discernment (the fruits of the Spirit).

Following Jesus as I understand it is not a quest for unity at all costs.
Our desire for God is also a desire for justice that only God can satisfy, and I consider dispensationalist doctrine to be both false and evil in nature.
I also believe that dispensationalism was created to raise support for an evil geopolitical cause.

There is no command to "bless Israel" in Genesis 12:3, but a promise from God to bless the friends of the man Abram.
God never curses Abram, but to the children of Israel He both blesses and curses them many times.
In any case old covenant Israel was of God, and represents neither the religions of the pharisees or of the modern Israel administration.

The fact that you brought that matter up reinforces to me the religious nature of modern Israel support from Christians, although I am persuaded that geopolitical loyalties most certainly CAN seer the conscience, so long as those loyalties are given to those that do evil.
Geopolitical Jerusalem under the Pharisees was associated with "bondage" to curses of the law (Galatians 4:24), and dispensationalists predict a future return of temple sacrifice in modern Jerusalem, diminishing the work of Christ.
Supporting Israel = supporting killing if Israel is killing, and to those that believe that the future Antichrist will be ushered in by Israel it also = ushering in the future Antichrist.

On the subject of the man of sin in 2Thessalonians 2 I think that the character in Revelation that most closely matches his description is the beast that comes out of the earth in Revelation 13:11.
This beast sits in the temple and performs literal miracles, though he is two persons (2 horns), and has a first century fulfillment in the two last high priests of Jerusalem.
The legacy of this false prophet still continues to this day, and tyranny continues to rely on the support of idolatry, as people are religious in nature.
I can not prove Biblically that Satan will not use a one man world ruler in the final "Gog/Magog" war, but it is also Biblically possible that he will do it in a different way.
 
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Do you know how long I’ve trained? You talk as if I just picked this up yesterday. If that’s the case, then why haven’t you disproven anything I’ve said? Whenever someone points out flaws in your system and the lack of evidence to back it up, all they get are belittling personal jabs, which I’ve already shown are not in line with the fruit of the Spirit. And not only did you not respond to that but now you attack my years of training as though you were there. That's a lie and also not fruit of the spirit.
Friend, you are going to have to eat some humble pie and realize that the Chronisters and Fruchtenbaums of this world are leagues beyond your status.

You are bush league and that's a fact.
I have recognized this from the beginning.

Do I agree with everything Chronister and Fruchtenbaum opine? No. No I definitely do not.

But they are IMO spot on maybe 90% of the time. And at the macro-scale, they are in very close alignment to each other and myself.

Sorry fake sorry. And if you feel the need to churn out some kind of AI generated protest, go right ahead. It won't make a bit of difference.
 
Friend, you are going to have to eat some humble pie and realize that the Chronisters and Fruchtenbaums of this world are leagues beyond your status.

You are bush league and that's a fact.
I have recognized this from the beginning.

Do I agree with everything Chronister and Fruchtenbaum opine? No. No I definitely do not.

But they are IMO spot on maybe 90% of the time. And at the macro-scale, they are in very close alignment to each other and myself.

Sorry fake sorry. And if you feel the need to churn out some kind of AI generated protest, go right ahead. It won't make a bit of difference.
"I’ve given my warnings. If your tone stays contemptuous, I’m stepping back until we can speak in a way that honors Christ."
 
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You foolishly think that the miracle of the clothing is limited in scope and meaning to merely what your unschooled novice mind can conjure? And you actually thought that the manna was nothing more than a free lunch? Go ahead. Say so. I dare you.

Jhn 6:31 - Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

Jhn 6:32 - Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
Jhn 6:32 - Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

exactly, accept Jesus and you will be saved.
 
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"I’ve given my warnings. If your tone stays contemptuous, I’m stepping back until we can speak in a way that honors Christ."
If your definition of "honoring Christ" is agreeing with evey hack who thinks that he is a legit Bible scholar, I'm afraid that I cannot oblige.

Did you get a chance to spend a wee little 60 minutes to audition that Chronister lecture? It's probably a good idea. Ok it's a great idea.
 
Don't worry, he will use His rod of iron when the right time comes, 2Peter 3.
Jhn 6:32 - Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

exactly, accept Jesus and you will be saved.
Amen

moses in the ot pattern

“Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭16:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

jesus nt reality

“Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:32-33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Moses in the ot pattern

“And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.

And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.”
‭‭Numbers‬ ‭21:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

note it’s for those who’ve been bitten by the serpents and would die.

Jesus nt reality

“And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness,

even so must the Son of man be lifted up: that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬


I’m sure you’ve seen many many examples of this when comparing nt and old
 
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Your morning is evening where I live.
I do not mind discussing these points with you, as I think I have seen some evidence that you care about truth.

Natural laws of social justice are absolutely a Biblical matter (Romans 2:14), and should guide our discernment (the fruits of the Spirit).

Following Jesus as I understand it is not a quest for unity at all costs.
Our desire for God is also a desire for justice that only God can satisfy, and I consider dispensationalist doctrine to be both false and evil in nature.
I also believe that dispensationalism was created to raise support for an evil geopolitical cause.

There is no command to "bless Israel" in Genesis 12:3, but a promise from God to bless the friends of the man Abram.
God never curses Abram, but to the children of Israel He both blesses and curses them many times.
In any case old covenant Israel was of God, and represents neither the religions of the pharisees or of the modern Israel administration.

The fact that you brought that matter up reinforces to me the religious nature of modern Israel support from Christians, although I am persuaded that geopolitical loyalties most certainly CAN seer the conscience, so long as those loyalties are given to those that do evil.
Geopolitical Jerusalem under the Pharisees was associated with "bondage" to curses of the law (Galatians 4:24), and dispensationalists predict a future return of temple sacrifice in modern Jerusalem, diminishing the work of Christ.
Supporting Israel = supporting killing if Israel is killing, and to those that believe that the future Antichrist will be ushered in by Israel it also = ushering in the future Antichrist.

On the subject of the man of sin in 2Thessalonians 2 I think that the character in Revelation that most closely matches his description is the beast that comes out of the earth in Revelation 13:11.
This beast sits in the temple and performs literal miracles, though he is two persons (2 horns), and has a first century fulfillment in the two last high priests of Jerusalem.
The legacy of this false prophet still continues to this day, and tyranny continues to rely on the support of idolatry, as people are religious in nature.
I can not prove Biblically that Satan will not use a one man world ruler in the final "Gog/Magog" war, but it is also Biblically possible that he will do it in a different way.
That’s really thorough and well said
 
Amen

moses in the ot pattern

“Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭16:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

jesus nt reality

“Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:32-33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Moses in the ot pattern

“And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.

And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.”
‭‭Numbers‬ ‭21:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

note it’s for those who’ve been bitten by the serpents and would die.

Jesus nt reality

“And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness,

even so must the Son of man be lifted up: that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬


I’m sure you’ve seen many many examples of this when comparing nt and old
Exactly, ot is the shadow, nt is the real deal. Jesus the fulfillment.
So in ot the Israelite were also kind of the shadow, in nt, the real deal is follow Jesus, a cut in the heart .