Replacement theology? Yes or No.

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Genez said:
The Jews are waiting?

I am not waiting.
My sister is not waiting.
My brother is not waiting.

So we were not Jews because we are not waiting?

Besides...
Are all gentiles Christian?

Jews and gentiles do not accept Christ.
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Exactly, don't wait.
 
Cameron143 said:
First, I never employ AI.

Second, my response in no way contradicts my previous response; it informs it. If the new Jerusalem is the bride or church, and the church is here presently, the verse means John seeing the new Jerusalem coming down is a reference to Pentecost
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Let's take a look again at what you said:

"You see incomplete or complete. Everything changed at the cross. The kingdom of God came definitively at that point. It has been coming progressively since. And when Jesus returns it will come consumatively. Like the mustard seed, it starts small and grows to be the largest. The kingdom of God eventually swallows up all the other kingdoms. This is what scripture teaches. The kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our God and of His Christ. Hence, a done or undone perspective is inaccurate to explain the progression of history. Rather, a more and greater evidence of the kingdom over time is the accurate model."

So, you're saying that the kingdom has been coming progressively, but that it doesn't include a Millennial Kingdom period?

That's where you are wrong. It will come progressively from THIS AGE, TO THE AGE TO COME, and then end up at the New Jerusalem/Heaven.
 
Revelation1v8 said:
Here's the explanation I view as the reason for why the tribe of Dan is missing from the list of 144,000 from the 12 tribes of Israel in Revelation 7:

  • Idolatry and Apostasy: Dan was a primary center for golden calf worship under King Jeroboam I (1 Kings 12:25–33) and had a history of stealing idols and practicing false worship (Judges 18). This reputation for covenant unfaithfulness is seen as disqualifying for the sealed servants tasked with witnessing during the end times.
  • Association with the Antichrist: Some interpretations suggest Dan is excluded because the Antichrist is prophesied to come from this tribe, based on Jacob’s blessing describing Dan as a "serpent" (Genesis 49:17) and other prophetic texts.
  • Replacement by Manasseh: To maintain the symbolic number of twelve, the tribe of Manasseh (son of Joseph) replaces Dan. Since Ephraim is also omitted and represented under the name "Joseph," some argue this consolidates the tribes while excluding those linked to northern kingdom idolatry.
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It is a possibility, I was just giving another viewpoint for consideration, since Rev 7 occurs in-between the chapters dealing with Gods judgement upon the Roman Empire.
 
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Revelation1v8 said:
Let's take a look again at what you said:

"You see incomplete or complete. Everything changed at the cross. The kingdom of God came definitively at that point. It has been coming progressively since. And when Jesus returns it will come consumatively. Like the mustard seed, it starts small and grows to be the largest. The kingdom of God eventually swallows up all the other kingdoms. This is what scripture teaches. The kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our God and of His Christ. Hence, a done or undone perspective is inaccurate to explain the progression of history. Rather, a more and greater evidence of the kingdom over time is the accurate model."

So, you're saying that the kingdom has been coming progressively, but that it doesn't include a Millennial Kingdom period?

That's where you are wrong. It will come progressively from THIS AGE, TO THE AGE TO COME, and then end up at the New Jerusalem/Heaven.
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We're in the millennial period. Christ is ruling and reigning and building the church.

When these things were written, the age to come was the new covenant age.
 
Revelation1v8 said:
That didn't answer my question about what you considered to be false doctrine.
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His insistence that others check their relationship with the Lord at the door and instead follow him and believe what he tells you to believe

Revelation1v8 said:
Scooter, you can't be taken seriously because you can't communicate well.
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Yeah, I go by what the Lord says in His Word and a lot of others seem to be follow carnal man made religion (catholic, reformed, etc) so they get all upset when others don't agree with their religion

It's odd that you are saying I should follow AIO rather then the Holy Spirit Who leads in to Truth which is God's Word.

You should not be trying to influence others to follow false doctrine like that as it is you that is being a poor communicator leading people away from the Lord.
 
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Cameron143 said:
We're in the millennial period. Christ is ruling and reigning and building the church.

When these things were written, the age to come was the new covenant age.
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That makes ZERO sense. When the APOSTLES were talking about the AGE TO COME, they were talking about the Millennial Kingdom because the Church Age had already started with them.

The New Jerusalem doesn't need an "age" as it is the final complete heavenly kingdom where time isn't measured and the sun and moon no longer exist.
 
Psalm1 said:
(The 144,000 are ethnic Jewish born again believers.)
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But they are Jews, not to becoming the Bride of Christ.
Just like Moses is not the Bride, nor Isaiah.

Moses was born again.
He was a regenerate Jew.

"Born again" did not always mean automatically having the indwelling Holy Spirit like the church does.
It meant that the Holy Spirit begat a human spirit so that a believer could know the things of God.

When Jesus spoke to Nicodemus?
There was no church!
Jesus (as a rabbi) was telling Jewish Nicodemus that he needed to become a regenerate Jew to know He is the Christ.

Too many still get confused about being born again.
Here is what Jesus told Jewish Nicodemus what "born again" means.

Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not ​
be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ John 3:6​

The Holy Spirit gave birth to our human spirit when we believed!

But at Pentecost?
A new thing happened!

The Holy Spirit now entered and took up permanent residency within a born-again person!

Thus?
Making the already born-again Peter to become a new creation in Christ!

There is still a great deal of confusion about the meaning of "born-again".
Having a human spirit makes one able to comprehend spiritual realities.

But having the indwelling Holy Spirit?

That makes one not just able to know spiritual things but also be able to live spiritual realities.
To live them by the power of God's grace provided by the Spirit filling us.

grace and peace....
 
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