Replacement theology? Yes or No.
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Then you have a problem
You have a different firstfruits than the church
Jesus is the firstfruits of the church
You have something other than that as your firstfruits?
144,000, as your firstfruits?
See what happens when "intellect" attempts to unpack Revelation?
Are you saying your firstfruits is not Jesus.
Who is the firstfruits of the church ?
The 144,000 is Jesus?
I believe the bible.
It says they follow the Lamb wherever he goes.
The 144,000 are born again Jews.
You saying Jews can not be born again?
You want me or somebody to tell them Jews can not be born again?
You're still missing the main point. The Holy Spirit is only within us until full redemption takes place at the time of our resurrection.
So, you're going to contradict your original post on how it expands. Got it. You took A.I. to represent your views without even understanding what it was saying.
Those relying on what AI says and posting what AI says cannot be taken seriously.
It's almost like those doing this don't even know or have the Holy Spirit to lead them
Of course it is what it says. When it is written "The Twelves Tribes" and you do not have a list of the Twelve Tribes, you are to seek the Lord for wisdom. It's not a one to one correlation. Something else is going on. Religious gymnastics are required to shoehorn Dan's omission and Manasseh's inclusion. Let the text speak for itself.
We also have these accounts:
"Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel..."
"For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly..."
"For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise."
One would have to ignore many scriptures to conclude these are ethnic Jews.
What ever you are trying to turn that into I am not sure.
You jumped on a first fruits theme, which may not be applicable.
As for what I did say?
It is truth.
Jesus is the firstfruits of the church.
OK....
The 144,000 are not the Church.
That means Jesus cannot lead them?
Jesus led Moses. Was Moses the Church?
Was Ezekiel? Isaiah?
Like I said... The Tribulation is the continuation of the Jewish age.
So, you don't think Jesus wanted people to be watching for His Second Coming? If that's the case, I disagree with you.
What false doctrine do you think he is leading others to?
Scooter, I think you're so quick to argue that you don't even take the time to understand what people are saying, even when they believe the same thing you do. That has happened between the two of us before too. Slow down and take your time to understand what's being communicated. If you can't, well, you might just have a communication problem in general.
Like a lot of people, he demands that everyone bow down and follow him.
As in turn away from the Lord and from God's Word and instead just believe whatever he says.
If one is will to do this, then he'll think they are OK and saved and stuff.
Dan is missing because those from the tribe of Dan were idolaters and were never saved. The 144,000 represent the saved people from all the 12 tribes that are listed and one of them merged into the other.
That didn't answer my question about what you considered to be false doctrine.
Scooter, you can't be taken seriously because you can't communicate well. Maybe if you used A.I. to communicate those views for you, you wouldn't spend so much time arguing with people over ideas in which you actually share.
The Jews are waiting?
I am not waiting.
My sister is not waiting.
My brother is not waiting.
So we were not Jews because we are not waiting?
Besides...
Are all gentiles Christian?
Jews and gentiles do not accept Christ.
Or maybe Dan was to far North at the time of the wars and conflicts within Rome at that time. Dan always named places after their tribe as they travelled - so we get the river Danube and we get the country Denmark etc
First, I never employ AI.
Second, my response in no way contradicts my previous response; it informs it. If the new Jerusalem is the bride or church, and the church is here presently, the verse means John seeing the new Jerusalem coming down is a reference to Pentecost
Here's the explanation I view as the reason for why the tribe of Dan is missing from the list of 144,000 from the 12 tribes of Israel in Revelation 7:
- Idolatry and Apostasy: Dan was a primary center for golden calf worship under King Jeroboam I (1 Kings 12:25–33) and had a history of stealing idols and practicing false worship (Judges 18). This reputation for covenant unfaithfulness is seen as disqualifying for the sealed servants tasked with witnessing during the end times.
- Association with the Antichrist: Some interpretations suggest Dan is excluded because the Antichrist is prophesied to come from this tribe, based on Jacob’s blessing describing Dan as a "serpent" (Genesis 49:17) and other prophetic texts.
- Replacement by Manasseh: To maintain the symbolic number of twelve, the tribe of Manasseh (son of Joseph) replaces Dan. Since Ephraim is also omitted and represented under the name "Joseph," some argue this consolidates the tribes while excluding those linked to northern kingdom idolatry.