Replacement theology? Yes or No.

[Revelation1v8]

That statement from you goes for anyone who disagree with your view.

No, you have proven CONSISTENTLY that you don't want to answer certain questions. If you're Catholic, which I still believe you are, then it makes sense to me. You've been taught not to believe anything that goes outside of what your church teaches you.

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[cv5]

Great question.
Secular Israel today is a secular nation. Please note the key word secular.

There will continue to have ethnic jews coming to Jesus. Born again is the key.

What trigger? What are you talking about?

This has been posted many times in many ways, therefore I find your question disingenuous.

Post in thread 'Daniel’s “Final Week” (70th Week) Has ALREADY Been Fulfilled'

Jul 16, 2026

Zionist Christians say: Blessed are those who pray for World War Three, because it will hasten the return of Jesus Christ

No, you've got that all wrong.
Rather the trigger will be when the Nation Israel declares “Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.”

Arnold Fruchtenbaum argues that the decisive prophetic prerequisite for the Second Coming is the national repentance of Israel and her official recognition of Jesus as the Messiah. This does not mean that Israel causes the Second Coming by human power, nor that God’s sovereign...

• cv5

Post in thread 'Revolution in Iran'

May 28, 2026

What God recognizes as Israel is that which can live up to the meaning of the name.
If it cannot wrestle with God and prevail, it is not the Israel of God.
Galatians 6:16-17.

So you brazenly declare that God does not "recognize Israel" prophetically yet future so noted in massive quantities of Scripture? Ridiculous!

Jesus CLEARLY states that a future Elijah will come and RESTORE all things, INCLUDING the "kingdom to Israel".

Yes, the crucifixion did NOT result in the salvation of the Nation Israel back then.
However, it DID set in motion these "UNTIL" statements. All of which...

• cv5

 

[Churchgoer]

No, you have proven CONSISTENTLY that you don't want to answer certain questions. If you're Catholic, which I still believe you are, then it makes sense to me. You've been taught not to believe anything that goes outside of what your church teaches you.

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I already told you I am not.

But hey, you believe in supporting secular state with dragging God's name too.

Can only lead a horse to water,....

 

[Revelation1v8]

I already told you I am not.

But hey, you believe in supporting secular state with dragging God's name too.

Can only lead a horse to water,....

Then what religious denomination do you come from?

Weren't you the one who thought that Genesis 3:15 was referring to Mary instead of Eve?

Unless, you can state where you are getting these ideas, I have every right to believe what I do. You've been deceitful in the past and I've spoken to COUNTLESS Catholics who use the same tactics you do.

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[Churchgoer]

Then what religious denomination do you come from?

Weren't you the one who thought that Genesis 3:15 was referring to Mary instead of Eve?

Unless, you can state where you are getting these ideas, I have every right to believe what I do. You've been deceitful in the past and I've spoken to COUNTLESS Catholics who use the same tactics you do.

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Here goes the personal attack.

I am going to listen to Jesus, leave you alone.

 

[OMC]

Post in thread 'Daniel’s “Final Week” (70th Week) Has ALREADY Been Fulfilled'

Jul 16, 2026

Zionist Christians say: Blessed are those who pray for World War Three, because it will hasten the return of Jesus Christ

No, you've got that all wrong.
Rather the trigger will be when the Nation Israel declares “Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.”

Arnold Fruchtenbaum argues that the decisive prophetic prerequisite for the Second Coming is the national repentance of Israel and her official recognition of Jesus as the Messiah. This does not mean that Israel causes the Second Coming by human power, nor that God’s sovereign...

• cv5

Lets see.... no , Well shoot. Can someone show where the book of Arnold Fruchtenbaum is in the bible?
I would be cautious about is saying that Arnold Fruchtenbaum's formulation is itself the doctrine.
The doctrine must come from the passages.
The passages clearly teach Israel's present blindness, future repentance, future cleansing, and future salvation.
Whether Matthew 23:39 functions as the precise prophetic trigger for the Second Coming is an additional conclusion that must be demonstrated from the text itself.

 

[Revelation1v8]

Here goes the personal attack.

I am going to listen to Jesus, leave you alone.

You should be leaving this whole thread alone if you don't want to answer anyone's questions honestly and consider the scriptures that are being presented before you. When the scriptures are clear, you can't just rush in and say, "Don't follow the scriptures! As long as you believe Jesus is our Lord and Savior, you're fine so you should ignore the rest!!" That's not how it works.

In my personal opinion, Jesus told us that loving the Lord our God with all of our hearts, souls, and minds was the FIRST and GREATEST commandment. The only way to do that is to learn and try to understand every word spoken by God in His Word. Loving others is like the first, but it will NEVER replace the FIRST and GREATEST commandment. If you're going to reject part of God's word, then you might as well be rejecting all of it. It ALL came from HIM.

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[Roger316]

I think that is possible, but I do not think the timing is as clear as you suggest.
Zechariah 12:10 says God pours out "the spirit of grace and of supplications" and they look upon the One they pierced and mourn. Zechariah 13 then speaks of cleansing and refinement.
Romans 11:26-27 likewise connects Israel's salvation with the coming of the Deliverer and the removal of their sins.
What I do not see is a verse that explicitly says there are months between Israel's repentance and Christ's appearing.
The texts clearly connect the events, but they do not clearly specify the length of time separating them.
Therefore, I can confidently affirm that Israel's repentance, cleansing, and restoration are connected to the Lord's intervention, but I would be cautious about dogmatically asserting an interval where the text itself does not state one.
Scripture gives the sequence more clearly than it gives the spacing between the events.

Yes, and you make a great point. Those who are interested in Prophecy should work out the sequence rather than the timing if you know what I mean.

My earlier comment about "months" was to say that I don't think Israel's sanctification is in response to the Second coming as if it takes place immediately that millisecond. But great points overall.

 

[OMC]

Then what religious denomination do you come from?

Weren't you the one who thought that Genesis 3:15 was referring to Mary instead of Eve?

Unless, you can state where you are getting these ideas, I have every right to believe what I do. You've been deceitful in the past and I've spoken to COUNTLESS Catholics who use the same tactics you do.

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I thought you didn't speak like a dragon? Yet here you are. Attack the system all you wish, but leave the personal attacks outside.

 

[OMC]

You should be leaving this whole thread alone if you don't want to answer anyone's questions honestly and consider the scriptures that are being presented before you. When the scriptures are clear, you can't just rush in and say, "Don't follow the scriptures! As long as you believe Jesus is our Lord and Savior, you're fine so you should ignore the rest!!" That's not how it works.

In my personal opinion, Jesus told us that loving the Lord our God with all of our hearts, souls, and minds was the FIRST and GREATEST commandment. The only way to do that is to learn and try to understand every word spoken by God in His Word. Loving others is like the first, but it will NEVER replace the FIRST and GREATEST commandment. If you're going to reject part of God's word, then you might as well be rejecting all of it. It ALL came from HIM

A Christian can and should zealously defend all of God's Word and encourage others to study it carefully.
However, a Christian should also distinguish between rejecting Scripture and disagreeing over the interpretation of Scripture.
The first is rebellion against God; the second is often the normal process of believers studying, testing, and refining their understanding of the Word together.
Scripture calls us to contend earnestly for the faith (Jude 3), but also to speak the truth in love (Eph. 4:15) and to correct others with meekness (2 Tim. 2:24-25).

 

[Revelation1v8]

I thought you didn't speak like a dragon? Yet here you are. Attack the system all you wish, but leave the personal attacks outside.

cv5 is right about one thing. You have to draw a line to keep people from leading other people astray from the Word of God. If they want to reject God's Word, that's on them, but they shouldn't be encouraging others to do it too without any consideration whatsoever of the scriptures that have been posted here over and over and over again to prove them wrong.

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[Churchgoer]

This has been posted many times in many ways, therefore I find your question disingenuous.

Post in thread 'Daniel’s “Final Week” (70th Week) Has ALREADY Been Fulfilled'

Jul 16, 2026

Zionist Christians say: Blessed are those who pray for World War Three, because it will hasten the return of Jesus Christ

No, you've got that all wrong.
Rather the trigger will be when the Nation Israel declares “Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.”

Arnold Fruchtenbaum argues that the decisive prophetic prerequisite for the Second Coming is the national repentance of Israel and her official recognition of Jesus as the Messiah. This does not mean that Israel causes the Second Coming by human power, nor that God’s sovereign...

• cv5

Post in thread 'Revolution in Iran'

May 28, 2026

What God recognizes as Israel is that which can live up to the meaning of the name.
If it cannot wrestle with God and prevail, it is not the Israel of God.
Galatians 6:16-17.

So you brazenly declare that God does not "recognize Israel" prophetically yet future so noted in massive quantities of Scripture? Ridiculous!

Jesus CLEARLY states that a future Elijah will come and RESTORE all things, INCLUDING the "kingdom to Israel".

Yes, the crucifixion did NOT result in the salvation of the Nation Israel back then.
However, it DID set in motion these "UNTIL" statements. All of which...

• cv5

Any repentance only happens when holy spirit wake up people.

Not to reverse the order.

Abraham was a pagan until God called him.

 

[Revelation1v8]

A Christian can and should zealously defend all of God's Word and encourage others to study it carefully.
However, a Christian should also distinguish between rejecting Scripture and disagreeing over the interpretation of Scripture.
The first is rebellion against God; the second is often the normal process of believers studying, testing, and refining their understanding of the Word together.
Scripture calls us to contend earnestly for the faith (Jude 3), but also to speak the truth in love (Eph. 4:15) and to correct others with meekness (2 Tim. 2:24-25).

Some here aren't even pretending to be studying. They are here to distract and throw off the topic of this thread with the same worthless opinions that don't have scripture backing them up. I'll say the same thing to them that Jesus told Peter when Peter tried to stop Jesus from going to His death...

Matthew 16:23 -

23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

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[OMC]

cv5 is right about one thing. You have to draw a line to keep people from leading other people astray from the Word of God. If they want to reject God's Word, that's on them, but they shouldn't be encouraging others to do it too without any consideration whatsoever of the scriptures that have been posted here over and over and over again to prove them wrong.

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I agree that we have a responsibility to draw a line when Scripture is being contradicted and not simply ignore passages that challenge our position.
Paul told us to "earnestly contend" for sound doctrine and to correct error.
But there's a difference between rejecting Scripture and disagreeing about what a passage means.
If someone repeatedly refuses to engage passages that have been presented, that's a legitimate concern.
At the same time, the way to prove error is by opening the text and showing where the interpretation fails, not merely by asserting that it does.
Scripture should be the authority for both sides, and every passage deserves an honest hearing.

 

[Revelation1v8]

At the same time, the way to prove error is by opening the text and showing where the interpretation fails, not merely by asserting that it does.

Done. Over and Over. Some people here CHOOSE not to take God's Word seriously.

Scripture should be the authority for both sides, and every passage deserves an honest hearing.

Absolutely, but others have proven that they don't hold it as ALL authority. They let their church override the authority of God's Word and that is where they err. This is why they are rebellious and reject God's Word. They savor the things that be of men, and not God, just like Jesus said in Matthew 16:23.

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[cv5]

Lets see.... no , Well shoot. Can someone show where the book of Arnold Fruchtenbaum is in the bible?
I would be cautious about is saying that Arnold Fruchtenbaum's formulation is itself the doctrine.
The doctrine must come from the passages.
The passages clearly teach Israel's present blindness, future repentance, future cleansing, and future salvation.
Whether Matthew 23:39 functions as the precise prophetic trigger for the Second Coming is an additional conclusion that must be demonstrated from the text itself.

Oh but Mr. Professor Sir, every humble hayseed no-account bible student like me understands PERFECTLY well that in fact when Christ Jesus is quoting Psalm 118, there is no doubt whatsoever that He is prophesying the FURTURE REPENTANCE and redemption of the Nation Israel.

And why do you speak about "the text itself" yet you cravenly dismiss the immediate context outright? Are you toying with us while withholding your vast archive of PhD knowledge?

Why are you abandoning us and refusing to answer to our pleas for enlightenment?
Why am I forced to intervene with my pathetic unscholarly trifles when we seek you vast swelling all-encompassing wisdom?

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Matthew 23:39 is one of the clearest texts indicating the future national repentance of Israel and her eventual reception of Jesus as Messiah and King.

Jesus says:

“For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.”
—Matthew 23:39

The direct quotation is from Psalm 118:26:

“Blessed be he that cometh in the name of the LORD.”

The key word is “till”:

“Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say…”

Jesus does not say Jerusalem will never see Him again. He establishes a sequence:

rejection → absence → future acknowledgment → seeing Him again.

The people presently rejecting Him will someday say:

“Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.”

That is a future reversal of Israel’s present rejection.

Jesus is addressing Jerusalem​

The immediate context leaves little doubt:

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets…”
—Matthew 23:37

Then:

“Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.”
—Matthew 23:38

Then:

“Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say…”
—Matthew 23:39

The subject does not suddenly change to Gentiles or the Church. Jesus is addressing Jerusalem corporately as representative of Israel.

The sequence is therefore:

Israel rejects Messiah → judgment/desolation follows → Messiah withdraws → Israel later acknowledges Him → Messiah is seen again.

Psalm 118 itself predicts rejection followed by acceptance​

Only a few verses before Psalm 118:26 we read:

“The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.”
—Psalm 118:22

Jesus explicitly applies this verse to Himself in Matthew 21:42.

Thus Psalm 118 contains the same progression:

the Stone is rejected → God exalts Him → the Coming One is blessed and received.

Then Psalm 118:26 declares:

“Blessed be he that cometh in the name of the LORD.”

Jesus deliberately uses this Psalm to describe Israel’s future reception of Him.

Palm Sunday did not fulfill Matthew 23:39​

At the Triumphal Entry the crowds had already cried:

“Hosanna to the son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.”
—Matthew 21:9

Yet afterward Jesus still says:

“Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say…”

Therefore Matthew 23:39 cannot merely refer to Palm Sunday. That event had already happened.

The crowds acclaimed Him, but the national leadership rejected Him. Matthew 21–23 records that rejection culminating in Christ’s denunciation of Jerusalem.

Jesus therefore projects Psalm 118:26 into the future, when Israel’s rejection will be reversed.

Zechariah foretells precisely this national repentance​

Zechariah 12:10 says:

“I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him…”

Notice the elements:

Jerusalem → the One they pierced → divine grace → recognition → mourning.

Then:

“In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.”
—Zechariah 13:1

This is national repentance and cleansing immediately preceding the LORD’s intervention.

Hosea gives the same pattern​

Hosea 5:15 is remarkably parallel:

“I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.”

Again:

withdrawal → UNTIL → acknowledgment → seeking Messiah.

Then Israel says:

“Come, and let us return unto the LORD…”
—Hosea 6:1

Compare this directly with Matthew 23:39:

“Ye shall not see me… till ye shall say…”

The pattern is virtually identical.

Zechariah 13–14 connects repentance with Messiah’s return​

After Israel’s purification:

“They shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.”
—Zechariah 13:9

Then Zechariah 14 says:

“Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations…”

and:

“His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives.”
—Zechariah 14:3–4

The prophetic order is:

Israel in distress → Israel calls upon God → Israel acknowledges Him → the LORD comes to deliver Jerusalem.

That fits Matthew 23:39 perfectly.

Romans 11 confirms Israel’s unbelief is temporary​

Paul says:

“Blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.”
—Romans 11:25

Again we find the word “until.”

Then:

“And so all Israel shall be saved.”
—Romans 11:26

Israel’s present unbelief is therefore neither total nor permanent.

Matthew 23:39 says essentially the same thing from another angle:

Israel presently rejects Messiah, but a future Israel will recognize Him.

The pronouns matter​

Jesus says to Jerusalem:

“YE shall not see me… till YE shall say…”

The same corporate people who experience rejection and desolation are anticipated as someday confessing Messiah.

It makes little sense to read the passage:

Jerusalem rejects Him → Jerusalem is judged → somebody else later says Psalm 118:26.

The natural reading is:

Jerusalem rejects Him → Jerusalem is judged → Jerusalem eventually acknowledges Him.

What will Israel confess?​

They will say:

“Blessed is HE THAT COMETH in the name of the LORD.”

The expression “the Coming One” is messianic.

John the Baptist asked:

“Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another?”
—Matthew 11:3

Thus Matthew 23:39 anticipates Israel recognizing Jesus as the promised Coming One—the Messiah and Davidic King.

The prophetic sequence is therefore:

Christ comes to Israel
→ the Stone is rejected
→ Jerusalem is judged
→ Messiah withdraws
→ Israel enters future distress
→ Israel looks upon the One it pierced
→ Israel mourns and repents
→ Israel calls upon Him
→ “Blessed is He that cometh in the name of the LORD”
→ Messiah returns and delivers Jerusalem.

Matthew 23:39 therefore strongly supports the future national restoration of Israel.

Jesus is effectively saying:

You have rejected Me as your Messiah and King, and your house will therefore be left desolate. But your rejection is not permanent. You will not see Me again until Jerusalem acknowledges the One it rejected and welcomes Him with the messianic words of Psalm 118:26: “Blessed is He that cometh in the name of the LORD.”

The force of “until,” the address to Jerusalem, the messianic context of Psalm 118, and the parallel prophecies of Hosea 5–6, Zechariah 12–14, and Romans 11 all point to the same conclusion:

A future generation of national Israel will repent, recognize Jesus as Messiah, and receive Him as her returning King.

 

[Revelation1v8]

I thought you didn't speak like a dragon? Yet here you are. Attack the system all you wish, but leave the personal attacks outside.

Fine. I'm going to attach the SYSTEM that has proven where everything has failed in people's understanding of the scriptures in the past.

It's called the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH.

That's why the view of dispensational pre-millennialism went from being the common belief among the early church fathers until Augustine of Hippo used his position in Rome to change it around 410 AD. (As I have already proven in prior posts.)

Now I will show you what can happen when you choose to follow fallible men or women over the words of God/Jesus. You end up like Pope John Paul II. Here's where he went wrong and fell:

Pope John Paul II's Marian theology was a defining charism of his pontificate, centering on Mary's role as Mother of the Redeemer and Mother of the Church. He viewed her as the New Eve, placed in inseparable cooperation with Christ (the New Adam) from the Annunciation through Calvary and Pentecost. His framework emphasized that true Marian devotion is fundamentally Christocentric, arguing that devotion to Mary leads directly to Christ, as she is the perfect model of discipleship who embodies receptivity, fidelity, and nurturing love. He taught that Mary stood at the foot of the cross suffering deeply and consenting to the immolation of her Son, becoming the "first and most exalted sharer" in the Gospel of suffering and a unique cooperator in salvation. He adopted the motto "Totus Tuus" (Totally Yours) from St. Louis de Montfort, believing consecration to Jesus through Mary was essential for spiritual perfection and unity with the Church. He articulated this theology in major documents, particularly Redemptoris Mater (Mother of the Redeemer) and Mulieris Dignitatem, and consecrated countries, continents, and the entire human family to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, notably at Fatima and during the Millennium Jubilee. The Marian Cross, featuring a large M at the foot of the cross to represent Mary's presence at Calvary and her maternal mediation, appeared on his papal coat of arms and on his plain wooden casket, serving as a final catechesis that all grace comes through Christ's cross and Mary's intercession.

The assassination attempt of May 13, 1981 — the exact anniversary of the first apparition of Our Lady of Fatima in 1917 — became the pivotal confirmation of his Marian beliefs. Shot by Turkish gunman Mehmet Ali Ağca in St. Peter's Square, none of his vital organs was hit, and he later stated that at the moment he fell, "I had a strong feeling that I would be saved… one hand fired and another guided the bullet." He was convinced it was "a motherly hand that guided the bullet's path" and that he had "halted at the threshold of death" through Mary's intervention. He told his confessor he immediately thought of the "hand" of the Virgin. In gratitude, he traveled to Fatima in 1982 and placed the bullet that struck him into the crown of the statue of Our Lady of Fatima, saying to her, "You saved me, you saved me." He made multiple further pilgrimages to Fatima and dedicated a shrine to the Virgin of Fatima in a Polish church in 1997.

Regarding the Marian visions of Fatima, John Paul II came to see the Third Secret — a prophetic vision of a "bishop dressed in white" struck by bullets — as pointing to himself and the 1981 attack. He interpreted Mary's 1917 prophecy that "Russia would spread her errors throughout the world" but that "in the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph" as fulfilled in the collapse of Soviet communism, which he attributed to Mary's intercession. He formally consecrated the whole world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary on March 25, 1984, in fulfillment of what he understood as Fatima's central request. He beatified the child visionaries Francisco and Jacinta Marto in 2000 and revealed the Third Secret that same year, framing it as a call to conversion and a reminder of the Church's suffering in the twentieth century.

As for who taught him this, his Marian spirituality was shaped by several key sources. The most decisive influence was St. Louis Marie Grignion de Montfort, whose treatise rue Devotion to TMary he read as a young worker at the Solvay chemical factory during World War II. He later called this reading a "decisive turning point" in his life, explaining that he had initially feared devotion to Mary might detract from Christ, but Montfort showed him that true Marian devotion is always directed toward Christ. From Montfort he took the motto Totus Tuus and the practice of total consecration to Jesus through Mary, which he recited daily. Before Montfort, his formation was shaped by Polish Marian tradition — embodied in the Black Madonna of Częstochowa — and by the Polish lay mystic Jan Tyranowski, whose writings taught him during the war that all true devotion to Mary is Christocentric and Trinitarian. St. Maximilian Kolbe, the Polish martyr and Marian apostle who also drew on Montfort's total consecration, was another figure he revered and whose "militia" of Mary he admired. John Paul II himself noted that his spirituality was "thoroughly permeated by a Marian and Passion spirituality, grounded not only in great mystics like St. John of the Cross and St. Louis de Montfort, but also in the spirituality of his country" learned from various spiritual masters who crossed his path in Kraków.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS DEVOTING ONESELF TO ANOTHER HUMAN TO GET TO JESUS.
JESUS IS THE ONLY MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MEN, BECAUSE HE IS GOD.

Jesus told people to pray in HIS NAME at least five times in the book of John.

If you're praying to ANYONE other than God/Jesus, you have just PUSHED OUT the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit only works as a witness for God/Jesus, and NO ONE ELSE.

THIS is why I believe that too many Catholics lack the Holy Spirit of God to be able to understand scripture and are rebellious towards God and His children of the promises in the Old Testament.

And now you also know why so many people believe that a Pope could be the Anti-Christ. They Roman Catholic Church has done NOTHING to correct itself.

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[OMC]

Oh but Mr. Professor Sir, every humble hayseed no-account bible student like me understands PERFECTLY well that in fact when Christ Jesus is quoting Psalm 118, there is no doubt whatsoever that He is prophesying the FURTURE REPENTANCE and redemption of the Nation Israel.

And why do you speak about "the text itself" yet you cravenly dismiss the immediate context outright? Are you toying with us while withholding your vast archive of PhD knowledge?

Why are you abandoning us and refusing to answer to our pleas for enlightenment?
Why am I forced to intervene with my pathetic unscholarly trifles when we seek you vast swelling all-encompassing wisdom?

********************************************************

Matthew 23:39 is one of the clearest texts indicating the future national repentance of Israel and her eventual reception of Jesus as Messiah and King.

Jesus says:

“For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.”
—Matthew 23:39

The direct quotation is from Psalm 118:26:

“Blessed be he that cometh in the name of the LORD.”

The key word is “till”:


Jesus does not say Jerusalem will never see Him again. He establishes a sequence:

rejection → absence → future acknowledgment → seeing Him again.

The people presently rejecting Him will someday say:

“Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.”

That is a future reversal of Israel’s present rejection.

Jesus is addressing Jerusalem​

The immediate context leaves little doubt:

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets…”
—Matthew 23:37

Then:

“Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.”
—Matthew 23:38

Then:

“Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say…”
—Matthew 23:39

The subject does not suddenly change to Gentiles or the Church. Jesus is addressing Jerusalem corporately as representative of Israel.

The sequence is therefore:

Israel rejects Messiah → judgment/desolation follows → Messiah withdraws → Israel later acknowledges Him → Messiah is seen again.

Psalm 118 itself predicts rejection followed by acceptance​

Only a few verses before Psalm 118:26 we read:

“The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.”
—Psalm 118:22

Jesus explicitly applies this verse to Himself in Matthew 21:42.

Thus Psalm 118 contains the same progression:

the Stone is rejected → God exalts Him → the Coming One is blessed and received.

Then Psalm 118:26 declares:

“Blessed be he that cometh in the name of the LORD.”

Jesus deliberately uses this Psalm to describe Israel’s future reception of Him.

Palm Sunday did not fulfill Matthew 23:39​

At the Triumphal Entry the crowds had already cried:

“Hosanna to the son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.”
—Matthew 21:9

Yet afterward Jesus still says:

“Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say…”

Therefore Matthew 23:39 cannot merely refer to Palm Sunday. That event had already happened.

The crowds acclaimed Him, but the national leadership rejected Him. Matthew 21–23 records that rejection culminating in Christ’s denunciation of Jerusalem.

Jesus therefore projects Psalm 118:26 into the future, when Israel’s rejection will be reversed.

Zechariah foretells precisely this national repentance​

Zechariah 12:10 says:

“I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him…”

Notice the elements:

Jerusalem → the One they pierced → divine grace → recognition → mourning.

Then:

“In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.”
—Zechariah 13:1

This is national repentance and cleansing immediately preceding the LORD’s intervention.

Hosea gives the same pattern​

Hosea 5:15 is remarkably parallel:

“I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.”

Again:

withdrawal → UNTIL → acknowledgment → seeking Messiah.

Then Israel says:

“Come, and let us return unto the LORD…”
—Hosea 6:1

Compare this directly with Matthew 23:39:

“Ye shall not see me… till ye shall say…”

The pattern is virtually identical.

Zechariah 13–14 connects repentance with Messiah’s return​

After Israel’s purification:

“They shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.”
—Zechariah 13:9

Then Zechariah 14 says:

“Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations…”

and:

“His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives.”
—Zechariah 14:3–4

The prophetic order is:

Israel in distress → Israel calls upon God → Israel acknowledges Him → the LORD comes to deliver Jerusalem.

That fits Matthew 23:39 perfectly.

Romans 11 confirms Israel’s unbelief is temporary​

Paul says:

“Blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.”
—Romans 11:25

Again we find the word “until.”

Then:

“And so all Israel shall be saved.”
—Romans 11:26

Israel’s present unbelief is therefore neither total nor permanent.

Matthew 23:39 says essentially the same thing from another angle:

Israel presently rejects Messiah, but a future Israel will recognize Him.

The pronouns matter​

Jesus says to Jerusalem:

“YE shall not see me… till YE shall say…”

The same corporate people who experience rejection and desolation are anticipated as someday confessing Messiah.

It makes little sense to read the passage:

Jerusalem rejects Him → Jerusalem is judged → somebody else later says Psalm 118:26.

The natural reading is:

Jerusalem rejects Him → Jerusalem is judged → Jerusalem eventually acknowledges Him.

What will Israel confess?​

They will say:

“Blessed is HE THAT COMETH in the name of the LORD.”

The expression “the Coming One” is messianic.

John the Baptist asked:

“Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another?”
—Matthew 11:3

Thus Matthew 23:39 anticipates Israel recognizing Jesus as the promised Coming One—the Messiah and Davidic King.

The prophetic sequence is therefore:

Christ comes to Israel
→ the Stone is rejected
→ Jerusalem is judged
→ Messiah withdraws
→ Israel enters future distress
→ Israel looks upon the One it pierced
→ Israel mourns and repents
→ Israel calls upon Him
→ “Blessed is He that cometh in the name of the LORD”
→ Messiah returns and delivers Jerusalem.

Matthew 23:39 therefore strongly supports the future national restoration of Israel.

Jesus is effectively saying:

You have rejected Me as your Messiah and King, and your house will therefore be left desolate. But your rejection is not permanent. You will not see Me again until Jerusalem acknowledges the One it rejected and welcomes Him with the messianic words of Psalm 118:26: “Blessed is He that cometh in the name of the LORD.”

The force of “until,” the address to Jerusalem, the messianic context of Psalm 118, and the parallel prophecies of Hosea 5–6, Zechariah 12–14, and Romans 11 all point to the same conclusion:

A future generation of national Israel will repent, recognize Jesus as Messiah, and receive Him as her returning King.

When you grow up son you will learn. Till then Dragon, begon!

 

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Fine. I'm going to attach the SYSTEM that has proven where everything has failed in people's understanding of the scriptures in the past.

It's called the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH.

That's why the view of dispensational pre-millennialism went from being the common belief among the early church fathers until Augustine of Hippo used his position in Rome to change it around 410 AD. (As I have already proven in prior posts.)

Now I will show you what can happen when you choose to follow fallible men or women over the words of God/Jesus. You end up like Pope John Paul II. Here's where he went wrong and fell:

Pope John Paul II's Marian theology was a defining charism of his pontificate, centering on Mary's role as Mother of the Redeemer and Mother of the Church. He viewed her as the New Eve, placed in inseparable cooperation with Christ (the New Adam) from the Annunciation through Calvary and Pentecost. His framework emphasized that true Marian devotion is fundamentally Christocentric, arguing that devotion to Mary leads directly to Christ, as she is the perfect model of discipleship who embodies receptivity, fidelity, and nurturing love. He taught that Mary stood at the foot of the cross suffering deeply and consenting to the immolation of her Son, becoming the "first and most exalted sharer" in the Gospel of suffering and a unique cooperator in salvation. He adopted the motto "Totus Tuus" (Totally Yours) from St. Louis de Montfort, believing consecration to Jesus through Mary was essential for spiritual perfection and unity with the Church. He articulated this theology in major documents, particularly Redemptoris Mater (Mother of the Redeemer) and Mulieris Dignitatem, and consecrated countries, continents, and the entire human family to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, notably at Fatima and during the Millennium Jubilee. The Marian Cross, featuring a large M at the foot of the cross to represent Mary's presence at Calvary and her maternal mediation, appeared on his papal coat of arms and on his plain wooden casket, serving as a final catechesis that all grace comes through Christ's cross and Mary's intercession.

The assassination attempt of May 13, 1981 — the exact anniversary of the first apparition of Our Lady of Fatima in 1917 — became the pivotal confirmation of his Marian beliefs. Shot by Turkish gunman Mehmet Ali Ağca in St. Peter's Square, none of his vital organs was hit, and he later stated that at the moment he fell, "I had a strong feeling that I would be saved… one hand fired and another guided the bullet." He was convinced it was "a motherly hand that guided the bullet's path" and that he had "halted at the threshold of death" through Mary's intervention. He told his confessor he immediately thought of the "hand" of the Virgin. In gratitude, he traveled to Fatima in 1982 and placed the bullet that struck him into the crown of the statue of Our Lady of Fatima, saying to her, "You saved me, you saved me." He made multiple further pilgrimages to Fatima and dedicated a shrine to the Virgin of Fatima in a Polish church in 1997.

Regarding the Marian visions of Fatima, John Paul II came to see the Third Secret — a prophetic vision of a "bishop dressed in white" struck by bullets — as pointing to himself and the 1981 attack. He interpreted Mary's 1917 prophecy that "Russia would spread her errors throughout the world" but that "in the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph" as fulfilled in the collapse of Soviet communism, which he attributed to Mary's intercession. He formally consecrated the whole world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary on March 25, 1984, in fulfillment of what he understood as Fatima's central request. He beatified the child visionaries Francisco and Jacinta Marto in 2000 and revealed the Third Secret that same year, framing it as a call to conversion and a reminder of the Church's suffering in the twentieth century.

As for who taught him this, his Marian spirituality was shaped by several key sources. The most decisive influence was St. Louis Marie Grignion de Montfort, whose treatise rue Devotion to TMary he read as a young worker at the Solvay chemical factory during World War II. He later called this reading a "decisive turning point" in his life, explaining that he had initially feared devotion to Mary might detract from Christ, but Montfort showed him that true Marian devotion is always directed toward Christ. From Montfort he took the motto Totus Tuus and the practice of total consecration to Jesus through Mary, which he recited daily. Before Montfort, his formation was shaped by Polish Marian tradition — embodied in the Black Madonna of Częstochowa — and by the Polish lay mystic Jan Tyranowski, whose writings taught him during the war that all true devotion to Mary is Christocentric and Trinitarian. St. Maximilian Kolbe, the Polish martyr and Marian apostle who also drew on Montfort's total consecration, was another figure he revered and whose "militia" of Mary he admired. John Paul II himself noted that his spirituality was "thoroughly permeated by a Marian and Passion spirituality, grounded not only in great mystics like St. John of the Cross and St. Louis de Montfort, but also in the spirituality of his country" learned from various spiritual masters who crossed his path in Kraków.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS DEVOTING ONESELF TO ANOTHER HUMAN TO GET TO JESUS.
JESUS IS THE ONLY MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MEN, BECAUSE HE IS GOD.

Jesus told people to pray in HIS NAME at least five times in the book of John.

If you're praying to ANYONE other than God/Jesus, you have just PUSHED OUT the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit only works as a witness for God/Jesus, and NO ONE ELSE.

THIS is why I believe that too many Catholics lack the Holy Spirit of God to be able to understand scripture and are rebellious towards God and His children of the promises in the Old Testament.

And now you also know why so many people believe that a Pope could be the Anti-Christ. They Roman Catholic Church has done NOTHING to correct itself.

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Your master waits for you little demon. go.

 

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Your master waits for you little demon. go.

Get behind me, Satan! If you don't understand how a system can totally ruin someone's ability to accept the Holy Spirit because of the way that they practice, the way that they pray, who they choose to follow, pray to, and listen to instead of God/Jesus, you are sadly mistaken. So, heads up!!

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