Replacement theology? Yes or No.

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It would be very sad for any person to not know what Jesus does in His "office" on our behalf,
"where He ever liveth to make intercession for us" (Hebrews 7:25)
"And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins." (1 Corinthians 15:17).
We are not able to enter into heaven alone, because we are unworthy, but can only enter in through Jesus who has paid the price of our sins.
For this reason we are dependent on Jesus being in heaven in the first place.

Jesus' role as high priest is truly everlasting, because unlike the high priests of Aaron He will never die (Hebrews 7:23).
"But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an UNCHANGEABLE priesthood." (Hebrews 7:24)

It makes absolutely no sense to claim that Jesus is going to re institute a Levitical priesthood, because He is from the tribe of Judah, and His priesthood is of a superior order than that of Levites.
Because Jesus has risen and entered his "office" the priesthood has been changed, and "For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law" (Hebrews 7:12).
"For there is verily a DISANNULLING of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof" (Hebrews 7:18).
The word "disannul" means to make void.
That is what has happened to both the law of Moses, and to the Levitical priesthood, together with the role of the earthly temple and the animal sacrifices.

That is also why Jesus will not come back as an earthly king and do all of those things.
He is ready to judge the world once and for all as soon as the last person that He intends to save is saved.
He will not abandon His role in Heaven, but rather bring his people there to join Him-

"Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them." Hebrews 7:25.

Romans 8:34
Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

So that ai study on the use of "forever" did not get everything right.
It did however correctly list some conditional promises that were "forever" from the intention of God, but broken by man and therefore disannulled.
Interesting that it omitted to tell us that the land promise falls in that category.
Your musings are effortlessly debunked.
So the question must be asked: who are you and why are you here?

Zec 14:16
And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zec 14:17
And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the ***earth*** unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

Zec 14:18
And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zec 14:19
This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
 
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So, you didn't read all of my comments?

Jesus doesn't sit at the right hand of God forever.

  • Psalm 110:1 — "The Lord says to my Lord: 'Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.'"
  • Matthew 22:44 — "'The Lord said to my Lord, "Sit at my right hand, until I put your enemies under your feet"'"
  • Mark 12:36 — "David himself, in the Holy Spirit, declared, 'The Lord said to my Lord, "Sit at my right hand, until I put your enemies under your feet."'"
  • Luke 20:42–43 — "How do the scribes say that the Christ is the Son of David? David himself said in the Psalm, 'The Lord said to my Lord, sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.' So David calls him Lord. How then is he his son?"
  • Acts 2:34–35 — "For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says, 'The Lord said to my Lord, "Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool."'"
  • Romans 8:34 — "Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed intercedes for us."
  • Hebrews 1:13 — "To which of the angels has God ever said, 'Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool'?"
  • Hebrews 10:12–13 — "But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool."
  • 1 Corinthians 15:25 — "For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet."

After Jesus puts all of His enemies under His feet, He delivers the kingdom up to God. This is where the New Jerusalem/Heaven comes in.

  • 1 Corinthians 15:24 — "Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power."
  • 1 Corinthians 15:25 — "For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet."
  • 1 Corinthians 15:26 — "The last enemy to be destroyed is death."
  • 1 Corinthians 15:27 — "For 'God has put all things in subjection under his feet.' But when it says, 'All things are put in subjection,' it is plain that this is not to include the one who put all things in subjection under him."
  • 1 Corinthians 15:28 — "When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all."
  • Revelation 3:12 — "The one who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God. Never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down from my God out of heaven, and MY OWN NEW NAME."
  • Revelation 2:17 — "To the one who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, and to go into the Paradise of God. To the one who is victorious, I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give that person a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to the one who receives it."
  • Revelation 19:12 — "His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems. He has a name written, known only to himself."
[Psa 24:7-10 KJV]
7 Lift up your heads, O ye gates; and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.
8 Who [is] this King of glory? The LORD strong and mighty, the LORD mighty in battle.
9 Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift [them] up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.
10 Who is this King of glory? The LORD of hosts, he [is] the King of glory. Selah.
 
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At this point in time I view Jesus as being a high priest not just temporarily for a passing "church age", but forever (Hebrews 7:21), and of a higher order than that of the Levites.
Priests make intersession on behalf of man to God, and if Jesus was to abandon His role in heaven we would be going back to a ceremonial priesthood (Hebrews 8:3 and 4).
I also understand Jesus to be the true sanctuary and the builder of the true tabernacle, which He makes out of living souls (Hebrews 8:2).
I also understand Him to be the final sacrifice, offered once to cover all sin forever (Hebrews 10:12), meaning that the re institution of animal sacrifices would be an abomination to Him, as we have been told that God has no pleasure in them (Hebrews 10:8 and 9).

The obsession with earthly Jerusalem is confronting to me for these reasons, because the services that Jerusalem has been known to represent are priesthood, temple, sanctuary and sacrifice.
While being asked to accept all of that it also seems that I am being asked to believe in Jesus less, or told that it is ok to believe in Jesus as long as I do not go too far.

Dispensationalist eschatology is similarly confronting to me, because it presents a future Jesus that is not moving on from His previous ministry, as the one has risen from the dead and ascended to the right hand of the Father.
It seems that He is presented as one coming to bring back old covenant ways and practices and to entertain the Messianic fantasies of rabbinic Judaism in denial of all that He has accomplished.

I think that there is indeed a restoration of all things coming, but it is radically different from the one that dispensationalist teaching has in

At this point in time I view Jesus as being a high priest not just temporarily for a passing "church age", but forever (Hebrews 7:21), and of a higher order than that of the Levites.
Priests make intersession on behalf of man to God, and if Jesus was to abandon His role in heaven we would be going back to a ceremonial priesthood (Hebrews 8:3 and 4).
I also understand Jesus to be the true sanctuary and the builder of the true tabernacle, which He makes out of living souls (Hebrews 8:2).
I also understand Him to be the final sacrifice, offered once to cover all sin forever (Hebrews 10:12), meaning that the re institution of animal sacrifices would be an abomination to Him, as we have been told that God has no pleasure in them (Hebrews 10:8 and 9).

The obsession with earthly Jerusalem is confronting to me for these reasons, because the services that Jerusalem has been known to represent are priesthood, temple, sanctuary and sacrifice.
While being asked to accept all of that it also seems that I am being asked to believe in Jesus less, or told that it is ok to believe in Jesus as long as I do not go too far.

Dispensationalist eschatology is similarly confronting to me, because it presents a future Jesus that is not moving on from His previous ministry, as the one has risen from the dead and ascended to the right hand of the Father.
It seems that He is presented as one coming to bring back old covenant ways and practices and to entertain the Messianic fantasies of rabbinic Judaism in denial of all that He has accomplished.

I think that there is indeed a restoration of all things coming, but it is radically different from the one that dispensationalist teaching has in

At this point in time I view Jesus as being a high priest not just temporarily for a passing "church age", but forever (Hebrews 7:21), and of a higher order than that of the Levites.
Priests make intersession on behalf of man to God, and if Jesus was to abandon His role in heaven we would be going back to a ceremonial priesthood (Hebrews 8:3 and 4).
I also understand Jesus to be the true sanctuary and the builder of the true tabernacle, which He makes out of living souls (Hebrews 8:2).
I also understand Him to be the final sacrifice, offered once to cover all sin forever (Hebrews 10:12), meaning that the re institution of animal sacrifices would be an abomination to Him, as we have been told that God has no pleasure in them (Hebrews 10:8 and 9).

The obsession with earthly Jerusalem is confronting to me for these reasons, because the services that Jerusalem has been known to represent are priesthood, temple, sanctuary and sacrifice.
While being asked to accept all of that it also seems that I am being asked to believe in Jesus less, or told that it is ok to believe in Jesus as long as I do not go too far.

Dispensationalist eschatology is similarly confronting to me, because it presents a future Jesus that is not moving on from His previous ministry, as the one has risen from the dead and ascended to the right hand of the Father.
It seems that He is presented as one coming to bring back old covenant ways and practices and to entertain the Messianic fantasies of rabbinic Judaism in denial of all that He has accomplished.

I think that there is indeed a restoration of all things coming, but it is radically different from the one that dispensationalist teaching has in mind.

All I have in reply is this as to not pick apart your conclusion.
 
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[Psa 24:7-10 KJV]
7 Lift up your heads, O ye gates; and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.
8 Who [is] this King of glory? The LORD strong and mighty, the LORD mighty in battle.
9 Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift [them] up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.
10 Who is this King of glory? The LORD of hosts, he [is] the King of glory. Selah.

Yes, I'm just now realizing that some people don't understand exactly who the LORD of hosts really is in His full capacity.

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Your musings are effortlessly debunked.
So the question must be asked: who are you and why are you here?

Zec 14:16
And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zec 14:17
And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the ***earth*** unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

Zec 14:18
And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zec 14:19
This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Can I please inquire of @HeIsHere @Beekeeper @Churchgoer @Cameron143 as to their opinions of when these events are to occur on their timeline?

No sane person would ever try to make the argument that any of this is pre-70AD. Right?
 
Can I please inquire of @HeIsHere @Beekeeper @Churchgoer @Cameron143 as to their opinions of this Hebrew term?

The phrase bayyôm hahû' (בַּיּוֹם הַהוּא — "in that day") is a cornerstone vocabulary marker of Hebrew prophecy. Across the entire Hebrew Bible, variants of the phrase appear roughly 150 to 200 times, with the vast majority heavily concentrated in the prophetic corpus.
 
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Re: The Days of Elijah

Elijah has already come.

Malachi 4:5-6
Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet
Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.
And he will turn
The hearts of the fathers to the children,
And the hearts of the children to their fathers
,
Lest I come and strike the earth with a curse.'

Matthew 17:10-13
And His disciples asked Him, saying, "Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?" Jesus answered and said to them, "Indeed, Elijah is coming first and will restore all things. But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him but did to him whatever they wished. Likewise the Son of Man is also about to suffer at their hands." Then the disciples understood that He spoke to them of John the Baptist.

Matthew 11:13-15
For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if you are willing to receive it, he (
John the Baptist) is Elijah who is to come. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

Matthew 21:32
For John came to you in the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him; but tax collectors and harlots believed him; and when you saw it, you did not afterward relent and believe him.


Is there, in scripture somewhere, a "second" day of Elijah mentioned? It seems like, if you missed the first one (or worse, persecuted John the Baptist) then one's only hope is to turn to Christ for mercy.
 
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Can I please inquire of @HeIsHere @Beekeeper @Churchgoer @Cameron143 as to their opinions of when these events are to occur on their timeline?

No sane person would ever try to make the argument that any of this is pre-70AD. Right?
Suggest you read the entire chapter, and book to have a better understanding.

it is about the Lord.

Notice Judah is among the "all the nations" that fight in Jewrusalem.

Note verse 6, 7, 8, 9....

Jerusalem in that chapter is not modern day isreal political government, fyi.

Verse 16, that jewsalem also is not modern day Israel government. Verse 16 jewrusalem clearly is related to Lord almighty, same goes for 20, 21.

In summery, z 14 entire chapter covers a long period of time, possible from 70ad, to now, to Jesus 2nd coming, heavenly jewrusalem .

Specifically verse 16, 17, 18, 19 sounds like right now, spiritual jewrusalem is the key. Jesus is the key.

Specifically verse 2, 3, 4, 5 possible reflects both 70ad, as well as Jesus 2nd coming.

Verse 6, 7 seems to be heavenly image.

Verse 8 can be talking about gospel going out after 70ad.

..... enjoy, verse by verse, complete chapter, complete book.
 
Can I please inquire of @HeIsHere @Beekeeper @Churchgoer @Cameron143 as to their opinions of this Hebrew term?

The phrase bayyôm hahû' (בַּיּוֹם הַהוּא — "in that day") is a cornerstone vocabulary marker of Hebrew prophecy. Across the entire Hebrew Bible, variants of the phrase appear roughly 150 to 200 times, with the vast majority heavily concentrated in the prophetic corpus.
Bring out the complete chapter, study verse by verse.
Enjoy.