Replacement theology? Yes or No.

[Psalm1]

And they were still saved as individuals not because of group identity.

That's like saying there is no group called "the church", because they are saved as individuals.

 

[Revelation1v8]

I don't! Neither am I going to allow propaganda to go unchallenged.





Well they are the worlds terrorists so they should know.






So raping women till their hips break, strangling the Bibas boys, torturing hostages and starving them, shooting parents in front of children and the other way round, you think "we" have that same spirit huh? And that's only part of the sick things they did on Oct 7th. Well, that's the sickest and most stupid comment I've heard so far in here. That should shut down the thread as far as I'm concerned.

Yes, let's look at what Hamas is doing, not to Israelis, but PALESTINIAN GAZANS...

UN findings (June 2026): A UN Human Rights Commission report found Hamas-affiliated Palestinian operatives and police carried out 108 deaths (all Palestinian/Gazan victims) and dozens of maimings (kneecapping, bone-breaking with metal pipes and cement bricks) between August 2024 and January 2026. The UN concluded these acts "amount to a war crime." The stated justifications included alleged collaboration with Israel, looting aid, theft, and affiliation with rival groups.

October 2025 public executions: After the ceasefire took effect, Hamas (a Palestinian militant group) publicly executed at least 33 Palestinian/Gazan people in days, including a widely-verified video of 7–8 blindfolded Palestinian/Gazan men shot in a Gaza City street before a watching crowd. The Doghmush clan (a prominent Palestinian/Gazan family) reported 33 of its members killed after being granted safety assurances. A Hamas (Palestinian) internal security official confirmed the killings.

Killing people seeking food: A CFR (a US think tank) analysis (June 2025) and CNN (a US news outlet) documented Hamas (Palestinian) executing Palestinian/Gazan civilians and shooting others in the legs for "looting" humanitarian aid. Amnesty International's (a UK-based human rights organization) 2025 report confirmed Hamas (Palestinian) executed at least 39 Palestinian/Gazan civilians accused of collaboration and summarily punished scores more for looting.

Cracking down on protesters: In March–April 2025, Hamas (Palestinian) killed at least six Palestinian/Gazan people who joined rare anti-Hamas protests in northern Gaza. Activist Odai Nasser Al Rabay (Palestinian/Gazan) was tortured and executed, his family said, for participating in demonstrations. A BBC (a British broadcaster) report from the same period noted Hamas (Palestinian) "targets activists and civilians, beats and kills them to scare people."

Longer pattern: Human Rights Watch's (a US-based human rights organization) 2018 report and a 2019 follow-up documented that Hamas (Palestinian) routinely arrests, beats, and tortures peaceful Palestinian/Gazan critics, journalists, and protesters — a practice dating back to its 2007 takeover of Gaza.

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[HeIsHere]

LOL! You stating that doesn't make it so. You can't defend your position and you're not convincing, which is EXACTLY why you have 16,726 posts and only 113 points credited to you here. So, please, take your own advice and STUDY AND LEARN!!!

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LOL 113 is the highest points credited in this software to anyone, as that even matters.
How ridiculous.

Each and every verse must be exegeted in context using correct hermeneutics.

That you argue this basic principle, informs me you are not a serious student of scripture or any text for that matter.

Since conversation with you typically devolves, I am moving on.

 

[Revelation1v8]

And they were still saved as individuals not because of group identity.

Revelation 7 shows you that they ALL belonged to the 12 Tribes of Israel, literally.

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[Revelation1v8]

LOL 113 is the highest points credited in this software to anyone, as that even matters.
How ridiculous.

Each and every verse must be exegeted in context using correct hermeneutics.

That you argue this basic principle, informs me you are not a serious student of scripture or any text for that matter.

Since you conversation with typically devolves, I am moving on.

Yet you have done NONE of those things that you suggest others do. I've already asked you to point out where I'm taking scriptures out of context and you haven't done it. Why? Because you can't. You just want to blow out a bunch of opinions NEVER backing up your claims.

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[Psalm1]

Revelation 7 shows you that they ALL belonged to the 12 Tribes of Israel, literally.

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I get a belly laugh watching them stumble over the 144,000.

They try so hard to make it into all sorts of things.
So cunning!!!!
Nope not really.

 

[Aaron56]

So raping women till their hips break, strangling the Bibas boys, torturing hostages and starving them, shooting parents in front of children and the other way round, you think "we" have that same spirit huh? And that's only part of the sick things they did on Oct 7th. Well, that's the sickest and most stupid comment I've heard so far in here. That should shut down the thread as far as I'm concerned.

Why do you attribute these things to me? I've denounced the October 7th actions and the people responsible for them.

Both things can be true at the same time:
1. Natural Israel is killing some people indiscriminately.
2. Islamists are necessarily terrorists.

A victim of propaganda cannot properly judge matters: there is only approval or derision. God's people, with the Spirit of Christ, are to judge matters with wisdom from above. But our standard of judgement is the character of Christ, not what is permitted by those outside the Body of Christ.

"But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.
For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”

The narrative from Israel is coercive: “I'm so proud of our relations with our Christian brothers and sisters..." (Benjamin Netanyahu, Israeli Prime Minister). This, from a people who reject Christ and our Father. What fellowship do we have with anyone who rejects Christ?

"Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also."

So, by what judgement are we siblings to natural Jews? Certainly not by the Holy Spirit.

And even if you believe that a day of redemption will come to Jews because of their natural lineage (I do not believe this), Paul is clear about their current standing:

"Regarding the gospel, they are enemies on your account..."

They work against you, if indeed you are in Christ. They oppose the gospel that will save them and the carriers of the message of salvation.

 

[Aaron56]

I get a belly laugh watching them stumble over the 144,000.

They try so hard to make it into all sorts of things.
So cunning!!!!
Nope not really.

Weird way to write: "I like to make scripture say things it doesn't."

When it is written "The Twelves Tribes" and you do not have a list of the Twelve Tribes, you are to seek the Lord for wisdom. It's not a one to one correlation. Something else is going on. Religious gymnastics are required to shoehorn Dan's omission and Manasseh's inclusion. Let the text speak for itself.

We also have these accounts:

"Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel..."

"For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly..."
"For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise."

One would have to ignore many scriptures to conclude these are ethnic Jews in Revelation 7.

 

[Revelation1v8]

"Regarding the gospel, they are enemies on your account..."

They work against you, if indeed you are in Christ. They oppose the gospel that will save them and the carriers of the message of salvation.

Now, why did you cut off that verse to deceive everyone? Let's look at what all of those verses are saying.

Romans 11:28-32

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

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[Revelation1v8]

Weird way to write: "I like to make scripture say things it doesn't."

When it is written "The Twelves Tribes" and you do not have a list of the Twelve Tribes, you are to seek the Lord for wisdom. It's not a one to one correlation. Something else is going on. Religious gymnastics are required to shoehorn Dan's omission and Manasseh's inclusion. Let the text speak for itself.

We also have these accounts:

"Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel..."

"For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly..."
"For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise."

One would have to ignore many scriptures to conclude these are ethnic Jews in Revelation 7.

The tribe of Dan is missing from the list of tribes in Revelation 7 because they have a long history of idol worshipping. You've been told that before, but you ignore it to try and act convincing here, when you are not.

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[Psalm1]

Weird way to write: "I like to make scripture say things it doesn't."

When it is written "The Twelves Tribes" and you do not have a list of the Twelve Tribes, you are to seek the Lord for wisdom. It's not a one to one correlation. Something else is going on. Religious gymnastics are required to shoehorn Dan's omission and Manasseh's inclusion. Let the text speak for itself.

We also have these accounts:

"Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel..."

"For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly..."
"For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise."

One would have to ignore many scriptures to conclude these are ethnic Jews in Revelation 7.

Weird way to write, " let me reframe Gods word to fit my doctrine"

God was kidding when he framed them as ethnic jews...wink ....wink.

 

[cv5]

So the points that you have covered:
* God found his direct witnesses in Israel.
*God used these witnesses to bring the Gospel to the nations.
*Had Israel obeyed and kept the covenant of Moses it would have become a holy nation. Sadly it did not.
*God therefore rebuilds the house of David as the body of Christ, and includes Gentile believers.

None of this supports the conclusion that Modern Israel is or will become a direct witness from the prophets and law, a light to the nations, or will successfully keep the law of Moses, or indeed be required to by God to do so.
The idea that modern Israelis are the ones carrying this legacy is a simplistic fantasy.

Are we to trust a person who declares that:
- Jerusalem is not Jerusalem
-nations are not nations
-the earth is not the earth
-rain is not rain
-families are not families
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Of course not. Frankly, I don't trust a word you say, and practically everything you write is effrontery to the intended prophetic message of the Bible.

Zec 14:16
And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zec 14:17
And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the ***earth*** unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

Zec 14:18
And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Zec 14:19
This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.