Replacement theology? Yes or No.

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Ecclesiastes 1​

9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
 
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I believe all of Jesus' words are true, and that generation has passed. So yes.


"Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven." "Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him." And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, from east to west, making a very large valley..." For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first."


No, none of this has yet happened.
 
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For the record you have never come across as bitter and/or resentful.

Reminds me of the truth in this saying, "when pointing a finger at someone else, three fingers are pointing back to the person making the accusation."
Yes, beekeeper has been very respectful and peaceful.
It is the other group keep bringing up rt and anti this that, throwing bad hats around.

Shameful.
 
Yes, beekeeper has been very respectful and peaceful.

To those that agree with @Beekeeper



It is the other group keep bringing up rt and anti this that, throwing bad hats around.

Shameful.

Well, you haven't been here, obviously, long enough to see what was said in many of these threads. But you'd defend it anyway. Replacement theology, which you don't even understand but click like on people who like you, is a real belief and it's shown to be destructive to the Jewish people and led to the Holocaust. That's a fact that can be proven, feelings don't matter. Replacement theology IS Antisemitic, more particularly, Anti-Jew. Hitler wasn't the first one to force Jews to wear an identifying badge to show they are Jewish.
 
Well, you haven't been here, obviously, long enough to see what was said in many of these threads. But you'd defend it anyway. Replacement theology, which you don't even understand but click like on people who like you, is a real belief and it's shown to be destructive to the Jewish people and led to the Holocaust. That's a fact that can be proven, feelings don't matter. Replacement theology IS Antisemitic, more particularly, Anti-Jew. Hitler wasn't the first one to force Jews to wear an identifying badge to show they are Jewish
I hear the weight in what you’re saying, and Scripture calls me to respond with both truth and tenderness. The history of Christian mistreatment of the Jewish people is real, grievous, and undeniable; Paul warns us explicitly, “Do not be arrogant toward the branches,” because Gentile believers stand only by grace. When theology is twisted into pride or hostility, it ceases to reflect Christ, who Himself wept over Jerusalem and prayed forgiveness even for those who crucified Him. You’re right that ideas like replacement theology have been used in ways that harmed the Jewish people, and Christians must repent of every place where our witness failed to reflect the mercy of Romans 11. But even as we acknowledge the darkness of history, we hold fast to the gospel’s call to humility, compassion, and truth — remembering that God’s covenant with Israel is not erased, and that any teaching producing hatred stands outside the heart of Christ
 
I hear the weight in what you’re saying, and Scripture calls me to respond with both truth and tenderness. The history of Christian mistreatment of the Jewish people is real, grievous, and undeniable; Paul warns us explicitly, “Do not be arrogant toward the branches,” because Gentile believers stand only by grace. When theology is twisted into pride or hostility, it ceases to reflect Christ, who Himself wept over Jerusalem and prayed forgiveness even for those who crucified Him. You’re right that ideas like replacement theology have been used in ways that harmed the Jewish people, and Christians must repent of every place where our witness failed to reflect the mercy of Romans 11. But even as we acknowledge the darkness of history, we hold fast to the gospel’s call to humility, compassion, and truth — remembering that God’s covenant with Israel is not erased, and that any teaching producing hatred stands outside the heart of Christ

I agree with your entire post. Now there are those sitting under pastors/priests that are preaching RT and they know nothing of it. They have no understanding, they don't know the history of it. Which is why I post it here so those that don't know can know. But in doing so it can cause a lot of anger. Which you will see if you skim any threads like these. I don't know if people still are not understanding RT and it's history or they are denying it.
Here is the clearest definition I have come across from a blog...
Replacement Theology is the belief that the Christian Church has replaced Israel in God’s plan. It teaches that because the Jewish people rejected Jesus, they were permanently rejected by God, and all the promises given to Israel in the Old Testament now belong to the Church. The land? Ours. The blessings? Ours. The covenants? Ours. Israel? Forgotten. Erased. Deleted.

Does anyone have a better explanation?
 
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I agree with your entire post. Now there are those sitting under pastors/priests that are preaching RT and they know nothing of it. They have no understanding, they don't know the history of it. Which is why I post it here so those that don't know can know. But in doing so it can cause a lot of anger. Which you will see if you skim any threads like these. I don't know if people still are not understanding RT and it's history or they are denying it.
Here is the clearest definition I have come across from a blog...
Replacement Theology is the belief that the Christian Church has replaced Israel in God’s plan. It teaches that because the Jewish people rejected Jesus, they were permanently rejected by God, and all the promises given to Israel in the Old Testament now belong to the Church. The land? Ours. The blessings? Ours. The covenants? Ours. Israel? Forgotten. Erased. Deleted.

Does anyone have a better explanation?
exactly right: most Christians sitting under pastors who teach Replacement Theology (RT) have no idea what it is, where it came from, or how deeply it shaped post‑apostolic Christianity. They’re not malicious. They’re not consciously antisemitic. They’re simply uninformed, because RT is almost never taught honestly or historically.
And yes — when you expose it, people get angry. Not because you’re wrong, but because RT is so deeply embedded in Western Christian tradition that challenging it feels like challenging Christianity itself.
Your definition from the blog is solid.
Replacement Theology (Supersessionism) is the belief that the Church has permanently taken Israel’s place in God’s redemptive plan, such that ethnic/national Israel no longer has a covenantal role, identity, or future in God’s promises.
It teaches that because Israel rejected Christ, God rejected Israel, transferring all covenant blessings, promises, and prophetic destinies to the Church, while Israel retains only the curses.
This includes:
The land promises → transferred to the Church
The Abrahamic blessing → transferred to the Church
The covenants → reinterpreted as Church‑only
The prophetic future → spiritualized into Church history
Israel’s election → canceled
Israel’s identity → dissolved
Israel’s role in prophecy → erased
Israel’s national future → denied
RT teaches that Israel is finished, and the Church is the new Israel.
Every version of RT falls into one of these:

1. Punitive Supersessionism

Israel sinned → God rejected Israel → Church replaces Israel.

2. Economic Supersessionism

Israel was temporary → Church is the permanent plan.

3. Structural Supersessionism

Israel’s role is absorbed into the Church → Israel has no future.
Most pastors unknowingly teach structural supersessionism, even if they deny the harsher forms.
Replacement Theology teaches that the Church has permanently taken Israel’s place in God’s plan, that Israel no longer has a covenantal future, and that all Old Testament promises to Israel now belong spiritually to the Church.
This is the definition scholars use. It is the definition Paul refutes in Romans 11. It is the definition that historically fueled Christian antisemitism.
 
Faithful Israel will be a nation again.

Faithful Israel is a spiritual nation already, but that is a very bad reason to support unfaithful Israel.
When a cause like that is considered to be a "virtue", good is considered evil and evil is considered good.
2Timothy 4:3.
 
exactly right: most Christians sitting under pastors who teach Replacement Theology (RT) have no idea what it is, where it came from, or how deeply it shaped post‑apostolic Christianity. They’re not malicious. They’re not consciously antisemitic. They’re simply uninformed, because RT is almost never taught honestly or historically.
And yes — when you expose it, people get angry. Not because you’re wrong, but because RT is so deeply embedded in Western Christian tradition that challenging it feels like challenging Christianity itself.
Your definition from the blog is solid.
Replacement Theology (Supersessionism) is the belief that the Church has permanently taken Israel’s place in God’s redemptive plan, such that ethnic/national Israel no longer has a covenantal role, identity, or future in God’s promises.
It teaches that because Israel rejected Christ, God rejected Israel, transferring all covenant blessings, promises, and prophetic destinies to the Church, while Israel retains only the curses.
This includes:
The land promises → transferred to the Church
The Abrahamic blessing → transferred to the Church
The covenants → reinterpreted as Church‑only
The prophetic future → spiritualized into Church history
Israel’s election → canceled
Israel’s identity → dissolved
Israel’s role in prophecy → erased
Israel’s national future → denied
RT teaches that Israel is finished, and the Church is the new Israel.
Every version of RT falls into one of these:

1. Punitive Supersessionism

Israel sinned → God rejected Israel → Church replaces Israel.

2. Economic Supersessionism

Israel was temporary → Church is the permanent plan.

3. Structural Supersessionism

Israel’s role is absorbed into the Church → Israel has no future.
Most pastors unknowingly teach structural supersessionism, even if they deny the harsher forms.
Replacement Theology teaches that the Church has permanently taken Israel’s place in God’s plan, that Israel no longer has a covenantal future, and that all Old Testament promises to Israel now belong spiritually to the Church.
This is the definition scholars use. It is the definition Paul refutes in Romans 11. It is the definition that historically fueled Christian antisemitism.

Thank you, that is a very thorough explanation of RT. Of course this all has been inflamed with the situation in the Mid East right now and what happened on Oct. 7. Now RT came back into the spotlight with popular pod casters like Tucker and Owens.
 
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Faithful Israel is a spiritual nation already, but that is a very bad reason to support unfaithful Israel.
When a cause like that is considered to be a "virtue", good is considered evil and evil is considered good.
2Timothy 4:3.

The Word says to pray for the peace of Israel and to bless. God will restore them in His timing. Not up to you or me.
 
I believe all of Jesus' words are true, and that generation has passed. So yes.

Amen .. So very disingenuous to ignore the time stamps all over the NT.

And then they want us to believe the Letter WRITTEN To the Believers in ROME somehow is for 2000+ years into the future.
 
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Thank you, that is a very thorough explanation of RT. Of course this all has been inflamed with the situation in the Mid East right now and what happened on Oct. 7. Now RT came back into the spotlight with popular pod casters like Tucker and Owens.
the sudden return of RT into public debate after the October 7 attacks simply proves what Paul warned in Romans 11 — that whenever Israel is thrust onto the stage of history, the hidden posture of the nations toward God’s covenant people is exposed, and many who never understood RT’s roots now speak from instinct rather than Scripture.
 
Amen .. So very disingenuous to ignore the time stamps all over the NT.

And then they want us to believe the Letter WRITTEN To the Believers in ROME somehow is for 2000+ years into the future.
Continue to embarrass yourselves as regards your appalling prejudices and biblical illiteracy to your hearts content.
Its what you deserve. For now. You will receive the full measure for your error at a later time of this I am certain.

I could not imagine a greater folly than despising God's beloved Israel, God's beloved Jerusalem and denying their prophesied future redemption and blessedness.

Mat 24:15
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:

Mat 24:21
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Mat 24:29
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Mat 24:30
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Mat 24:31
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
 
Is that what Romans 11 says?

You asked me to read romans 11 after I said:

"Supporting a secular system is the same analogy, according to that memo."

So my question is :

Romans 11 telling us to support secular system?

Romans 11 is saying ethnic jew have opportunity to repent and come back to God, as Paul himself, as Mary, as Peter, as mark.... . Anyone blocking the gospel to them is truly cursing them.

If ethnic jew still alive, then they still have chance to be saved, same for all humanity. Showing mercy to them means encouraging them to return to Jesus, not encouraging them to reject Jesus, to disobey Jesus, to murder, to steal, to do immorality.
 
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