Replacement theology? Yes or No.

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"God has not yet finished with the nation of Israel. "

He's not done with any of creation yet

"If Israel no longer matters to God"

I've never made that argument....everyone matters to god equally

"God will use ethnic Israelites, 12,000 from each tribe, to finish the work that the church has failed to do. Those 144,000 will be martyred. It will be a bit tricky for God to use those young men if there are no Israelites."

Yeah I mean that's one theory that's equal to anyone else's regarding the 144000. I don't agree but it's just as valid as anyone else's opinion



However, that does not mean that they "do not exist. We have not yet seen God's kingdom on earth in all its fullness. Jesus will rule and reign from Jerusalem."

Yeah your just looking at the wrong Jerusalem the wrong earth and land ....and the reason is youe looking at the wrong covenant promises to a people who broke tbier covenant and became cursed by it and also cursed the earth along with it ....

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Matthew 21:43 KJV
" Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

To be clear though any isralite who repents and accept Jesus chrsot shall be saved the same exact way as any person who repents and accepts Jesus shall be


This is my argument if you want to argue against it the testament have changed it doesn't matter if someone is a. Isralite or African to God .the only factor for any human being is Jesus christ and thier faith in him .

if we were u Der the old covenant of course it would.matter if we were of isrwels tribes .....we are to though israel.broke thier covenant and cursed the earth ........we havw a new one together with them as one people .....


Seems like a pretty basic message . I'm not sure what you are hearing lol but what I'm saying si.ple and basic everyone is the same to God all sinners in need of salvation and there's one way for everyone



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I'm hearing replacement theology being used to justify anti Semitic slander. I'm hearing that Jews are no longer safe in many western countries, while Muslims can say and do as they please with little consequence. I'm hearing blatant lies on this forum about a nation that has had to fight for it's existence for 78 years.

Individually, no one is saved apart from faith in Christ. However, God chose to work through one nation to bring salvation to the world. God sent that nation into exile according to the covenant that He made with them at Mt Sinai.

God's plan and purpose cannot be thwarted. The nation of Israel was restored in 1948. It survives in spite of 400 million haters that surround them. God promised that He would ensure that his covenant would endure. It's God's word. You don't have to like it.

Israel will suffer much because of their rejection of Christ. The 7 year tribulation affects Israel more than anywhere else. It will also cause many to repent and turn to Christ.

Some Christians like to "spiritualise" aspects of God's word that they don't like and take literally aspects that fit their prejudices. Everyone will give an account of their words to God. There are some who should be sweating at that thought.
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Note: The final signs include the great tribulation, cosmic disturbances, Christ’s visible return, and the gathering of His elect—events not all fulfilled in the first century (Matthew 24:21, 29–31).

I agree that it was not all fulfilled in the first century; however, in spite of what most people seem to think, scripture did not make that requirement; rather, in the Greek - it indicates that the things it listed/stated would begin to occur during "this generation"...

In the 'grammar of the language', there exists in the wording a sense of beginning-and-continuing and not start-to-finish-and-done.

This is important and significant in the Greek language and grammar. If you would like, I can show it to you in a later post. (Which I have done in a few posts in other threads in the past.)

Folks tend to overlook this particular thing because they like to place their focus on other words in the sentence - so they miss it altogether.

What it is actually saying is not "all of these things must come to pass and be fulfilled before <span of time> ends"; rather, it is "all of these things will begin to come to pass and be fulfilled during <span of time>"...

Once these signs begin, the remaining events will happen rapidly: the tribulation days will be shortened, Christ will appear “immediately after” them, and redemption will be near (Matthew 24:22, 29; Luke 21:28–32). Therefore, Jesus’ promise is that the generation witnessing the final sequence begin will not pass away before it is completed. The exact day remains unknown, so believers must watch and remain ready (Matthew 24:36, 42)."

Christ will not appear "immediately after" - the Two Witnesses will - the Second Coming of Christ is later - after the 3.5 years or so of their prophetic witness and the Trumpet Events - which they cause to come about.

 

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Yes, that is what I mean.
None of that is about the modern state of Israel.
If your focus was on Jesus, not on Israel,
You would begin to understand prophesy.

On the contrary, it is BECAUSE of the fact that I focus so intently on Jesus Messiah the Goel, the Kinsman Redeemer that mine eyes have been opened to rightly comprehend HIS plan of redemption, reconciliation, and ultimate salvation that He has prepared for His chosen people, the people that He foreknew, the Nation Israel.

The Boaz → Messiah/Go’el typology is exceptionally strong and has substantial support among conservative dispensational and evangelical interpreters. The Naomi → dispossessed Israel identification is also coherent and, in my judgment, fits the structure of Ruth remarkably well—but it should be stated with slightly more care: Scripture does not explicitly say “Naomi is a type of Israel,” so this is a typological inference rather than an inspired identification.
What makes the interpretation compelling is that Naomi is the Israelite whose inheritance has effectively been lost, Boaz is the qualified Jewish kinsman who restores that inheritance, and Ruth is the Gentile woman who becomes Boaz’s bride while simultaneously becoming the instrument through whom Naomi receives restoration. That combination is extraordinarily suggestive from a dispensational standpoint.

1. The controlling concept: the גֹּאֵל — Go’el​

The Hebrew root גאל — gāʾal means to redeem, reclaim, recover, or act as the next-of-kin.
Under the Mosaic Law, the go’el had several related responsibilities:

Function of the Go’el	Mosaic passage	What was restored
Redeem family land	Lev. 25:23–28	Lost inheritance
Redeem an impoverished relative	Lev. 25:47–55	Personal liberty
Preserve the family line	Deut. 25:5–10	Name/seed/inheritance
Avenge wrongful bloodshed	Num. 35:19–27	Family justice

Ruth combines especially the land-redemption principle of Leviticus 25 with a form of the family-line preservation principle of Deuteronomy 25.
Technically, Boaz is not simply performing a textbook levirate marriage, because Mahlon had no surviving brother. Ruth therefore represents an application of the broader kinsman-redeemer principle.
And this vocabulary is deliberately prominent in Ruth.
Fruchtenbaum's official outline makes the structure explicit:

“Ruth and the Kinsman Redeemer” — chapter 3
“The Redemption of Ruth” — chapter 4

He also specifically treats Ruth under the theological categories Christology, Soteriology, and Israelology.
That combination is important. Ruth isn't merely an ancient romance in Fruchtenbaum's treatment; redemption and Israel's theological program belong to the book's purpose.

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2. Boaz is unquestionably the Go’el figure​

Naomi first identifies him:

Ruth 2:20
“The man is near of kin unto us, one of our next kinsmen.”

Then Ruth herself appeals directly to his office:

Ruth 3:9
“Spread therefore thy skirt over thine handmaid; for thou art a near kinsman.”

The Hebrew is go’el.
Boaz responds:

Ruth 3:12–13
“It is true that I am thy near kinsman: howbeit there is a kinsman nearer than I.”

So the story deliberately turns upon one question:
Who possesses the legal right and ability to redeem?
That is exactly the question answered Christologically in the New Testament.
Walvoord makes the connection explicit. In his Christology he says that the Old Testament go’el institutions are “typical foreshadowings of Christ as our Redeemer.” He particularly connects Ruth 3:12–13 with the requirement that the redeemer must be a kinsman—related to the person or inheritance being redeemed.
So on the first major proposition there is very little room for doubt:

Boaz is historically a go’el and typologically points toward Christ the ultimate Go’el.

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3. The Redeemer must be a kinsman​

This may be the most beautiful Christological feature of Ruth.
A stranger couldn't perform the function.
The redeemer had to be related.
That explains something profound about the Incarnation:

Hebrews 2:14
“Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same...”

And:

Hebrews 2:17
“Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren...”

The eternal Son became genuinely human.
Why?
Among many reasons:

He became our Kinsman.​

God did not redeem mankind from a distance.
The Redeemer entered Adam's race.
Thus:
Boaz: related by blood to Elimelech's family.
Christ: entered humanity through incarnation.
The typological correspondence is powerful:

KINSMAN → REDEEMER

Walvoord explicitly makes this connection between Leviticus 25, Ruth 3 and Hebrews 2.

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4. The Redeemer must possess the ability to redeem​

Relationship alone wasn't sufficient.
A destitute relative couldn't redeem another destitute relative.
Boaz is introduced deliberately as:

Ruth 2:1
“a mighty man of wealth”

Hebrew אִישׁ גִּבּוֹר חַיִל — ish gibbor chayil.
It can convey a man of substance, standing, ability or wealth.
That detail is hardly accidental within the redemption narrative.
Boaz possesses the resources necessary to pay the redemption price.
Christ possesses infinitely greater sufficiency:

1 Peter 1:18–19
“Ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold...
But with the precious blood of Christ.”

Boaz can pay.
Christ can pay.
Neither redeemed through the resources of the helpless party.

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5. The Redeemer must be willing​

This becomes especially significant because there is another relative closer than Boaz.
Boaz acknowledges the nearer claimant:

“There is a kinsman nearer than I.”

The nearer relative initially says:

Ruth 4:4
“I will redeem it.”

But once Ruth and the preservation of Mahlon's inheritance become involved:

Ruth 4:6
“I cannot redeem it for myself, lest I mar mine own inheritance.”

This creates a remarkable contrast.

One can claim the inheritance but will not bear the full cost.​

Boaz willingly does so.
Christ likewise says:

John 10:17–18
“I lay down my life... No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself.”

Redemption therefore requires:
relationship + right + ability + willingness.
Boaz possesses all four.
Christ possesses them absolutely.

 

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6. The nearer kinsman and the Law​

Here we enter a more explicitly typological interpretation.


Some conservative expositors have seen the unnamed nearer kinsman as representing the Mosaic Law.


That interpretation is attractive because the nearer kinsman:

1. has a legitimate prior claim;
2. recognizes the requirements involved;
3. cannot finally produce redemption;
4. yields the matter to the one who actually redeems.

Compare:

Romans 8:3
“For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh...”

And:

Galatians 3:21
“If there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.”

William John Hocking's classic dispensational treatment of Ruth explicitly interprets the nearer kinsman as the Law and Boaz as Christ.


I would classify this as excellent typology, but secondary typology. The Boaz–Christ correspondence is much more firmly grounded than saying the unnamed redeemer definitely equals Mosaic Law.

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7. Naomi is the dispossessed Israelite​

Now we reach your central observation.


Look at Naomi's circumstances.


She begins as:

• an Israelite,
• belonging to Bethlehem,
• possessing connection to an inheritance in the land,
• but leaves the land because of famine.

Then disaster follows.


Her husband dies.


Her sons die.


Her security disappears.


Her family line appears extinguished.


She returns to Bethlehem saying:

Ruth 1:20–21
“Call me not Naomi, call me Mara: for the Almighty hath dealt very bitterly with me.
I went out full, and the LORD hath brought me home again empty.”

That is powerful language.

Full → empty.​

Land → exile.​

Husband → widowhood.​

Inheritance → dispossession.​

Fruitfulness → barrenness.​

Joy → bitterness.​

Yet—and this is critical—


Naomi has not ceased being Naomi.


Her covenant identity has not disappeared.


She has lost enjoyment of her inheritance, not her identity.


That sounds remarkably like biblical Israel.

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8. Naomi and Israel: the prophetic pattern​

Israel likewise possesses an irrevocable covenantal identity but experiences disciplinary dispossession.


Compare:

Deuteronomy 28:63–64
Israel would be removed from the land through covenant disobedience.

Yet:

Deuteronomy 30:3–5
God would eventually gather Israel and restore her to the land.

Likewise:

Jeremiah 30:3
“I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah... and I will cause them to return to the land.”

And:

Ezekiel 36:24
“I will take you from among the heathen... and bring you into your own land.”

Then Romans gives the theological guarantee:

Romans 11:28–29
“As touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.”

That is almost the theological grammar of Naomi's story.


She experiences:


departure → chastening → emptiness → return → redemption → restored inheritance → renewed life.

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9. Notice something extraordinary: Naomi returns BEFORE the redemption is completed​

Ruth 1:22:

“So Naomi returned... and they came to Bethlehem in the beginning of barley harvest.”

Naomi is geographically restored before her inheritance has been completely redeemed.


That provides a particularly interesting dispensational analogy.


Modern Israel can be:

physically restored to the land​

without yet being:

nationally spiritually redeemed.​

That is precisely the distinction Fruchtenbaum repeatedly makes elsewhere in his Israelology regarding Israel's end-time restoration:


physical restoration precedes national spiritual regeneration.


I would therefore formulate the Naomi correspondence as:

Naomi's return to Bethlehem resembles Israel's physical restoration; her later experience of the go’el's redemption resembles Israel's ultimate covenant restoration under Messiah.

Again, Ruth itself doesn't tell us to construct an end-times timetable from Naomi. But the pattern fits prophetic Israelology remarkably well.

 

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10. Naomi cannot redeem herself​

This is essential.


Naomi knows the inheritance belongs within the family.


She knows the predicament.


She even recognizes Boaz:

“The man is near of kin unto us.”

But she cannot accomplish redemption herself.


Israel's prophets speak similarly.


Isaiah repeatedly calls Yahweh:

“thy Redeemer”

Hebrew:


גֹּאֲלֵךְ — go’alekh


“your Go’el.”


For example:

Isaiah 41:14
“Fear not... ye men of Israel; I will help thee, saith the LORD, and thy redeemer, the Holy One of Israel.”

Isaiah 44:6
“Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts...”

Isaiah 54:5
“thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel.”

This is one of the strongest links between Ruth and Israel's prophetic future.


The go’el isn't merely a convenient social institution.

God identifies Himself as Israel's Go’el.​

And Messiah fulfills that function personally.

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11. Ruth introduces another remarkable element: the Gentile bride​

Ruth is repeatedly emphasized as:

“Ruth the Moabitess.”

Her Gentile status is conspicuous.


Yet this Gentile woman:

• believes in Israel's God,
• joins herself to Israel,
• receives grace from Boaz,
• comes under his protection,
• becomes his bride,
• and participates in restoring Naomi.

Walvoord explicitly notes that conservative expositors have seen marriages such as Boaz and Ruth as typological backgrounds for:

Christ and His largely Gentile Bride, the Church.

He includes Isaac/Rebekah, Joseph/Asenath, Moses/Zipporah and Boaz/Ruth in that pattern.


An Ariel Ministries study likewise explicitly says Boaz's protection and concern for Ruth typify Messiah, and links Ruth's marriage imagery with Messiah's bride.


This produces a distinctly dispensational picture:

Naomi = Israel​

Ruth = Gentile bride​

Boaz = Messiah​

And importantly:


Ruth never becomes Naomi.


The Church does not become Israel.


They remain distinguishable persons receiving blessings through the same Redeemer.


That is exactly the opposite of replacement theology.

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12. The Gentile bride does not dispossess Naomi​

This point deserves emphasis.


Boaz's marriage to Ruth does not result in:

“Naomi has been replaced.”

Quite the opposite.


Because Boaz takes Ruth:

Naomi's inheritance is restored.​

Ruth 4 makes the connection explicit.


Boaz announces:

Ruth 4:9–10
“I have bought all that was Elimelech's...
Moreover Ruth the Moabitess... have I purchased to be my wife, to raise up the name of the dead upon his inheritance.”

The marriage of Boaz and Ruth therefore serves the restoration of the Israelite inheritance.


Then the women tell Naomi:

Ruth 4:14–15
“Blessed be the LORD, which hath not left thee this day without a kinsman...
And he shall be unto thee a restorer of thy life.”

This is extraordinary.


The book begins with Naomi saying:

“I went out full... the LORD hath brought me home again empty.”

It ends with God filling that emptiness.


A literary analysis from Bible.org consequently observes that although Ruth is the heroine, the book's narrative movement actually revolves around Naomi's redemption and restoration; Boaz restores the family inheritance, while the Gentile Ruth becomes an instrument of blessing to Naomi and ultimately Israel.

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13. That gives us an almost perfect dispensational reversal​

Consider the pattern.


During the present age:

Israel's rejection results in Gentile blessing.

Romans 11:

“Through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles.”

But eventually Gentile blessing participates in Israel's restoration:

Romans 11:11
“for to provoke them to jealousy.”

And finally:

Romans 11:26
“And so all Israel shall be saved.”

Ruth gives us an astonishing miniature:


Naomi's disaster → Ruth enters → Ruth encounters Redeemer → Ruth united with Redeemer → Naomi receives restoration.


A scholarly literary analysis even describes this as something like the Abrahamic covenant operating “in reverse”: Israel becomes blessed through a Gentile, while the eventual genealogy carries blessing outward again through David and Messiah.

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14. Boaz acquires both the Bride AND the inheritance​

This may be the strongest dispensational feature of all.


Boaz doesn't choose between Ruth and Naomi's inheritance.


He acquires both:

Ruth becomes his bride.​

Elimelech's inheritance is restored.​

Therefore:

The Bride does not cancel the inheritance.

Apply that cautiously to Christ:

Christ acquires His Church.​

But:

Christ also fulfills His covenant commitments to Israel.​

The Church's existence therefore gives no logical basis for the cancellation of Israel's land, national or kingdom promises.


That resonates strongly with Fruchtenbaum's entire Israelology.

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15. Bethlehem makes the typology even stronger​

Where does this happen?


Bethlehem.


Boaz is a Bethlehemite.


David emerges through Boaz.


And Messiah ultimately comes from the same place:

Micah 5:2
“But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah... out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel.”

Matthew deliberately includes Ruth and Boaz:

Matthew 1:5–6
“Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse; and Jesse begat David the king.”

Thus the go’el isn't merely generically reminiscent of Christ.


Boaz belongs to the actual genealogical stream producing the ultimate Redeemer.


Walvoord calls the Ruth-Boaz episode an illustration of divine providence in producing Messiah's Davidic lineage.

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16. Boaz's “wing” imagery contains another beautiful Messianic connection​

Boaz first tells Ruth:

Ruth 2:12
“A full reward be given thee of the LORD God of Israel, under whose wings thou art come to trust.”

Then Ruth tells Boaz:

Ruth 3:9
“Spread therefore thy skirt over thine handmaid.”

The Hebrew word can carry the idea of wing/edge of garment.


In effect:


Ruth comes under Yahweh's wings—


and Yahweh's protection becomes concretely administered through the go’el.


That is magnificent theology.


God's covenant protection is embodied through the redeemer.


Likewise God's redemption eventually becomes embodied in:

“the Word... made flesh.”

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17. The transaction occurs legally at the gate​

Boaz does not merely fall in love and take Ruth privately.


He goes to:

the city gate

the legal forum of the ancient town.


Witnesses are assembled.


The nearer claimant is addressed.


The right of redemption is established.


The transaction is publicly witnessed.


Then Boaz announces:

Ruth 4:9
“Ye are witnesses this day...”

Redemption therefore has an objective legal basis.


That beautifully anticipates biblical justification.


Christ's redemption isn't sentiment.


A legitimate price is paid.


A real claim is satisfied.


A real standing is established.

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18. Then comes the marriage​

Only after the redemption transaction:

Ruth 4:13
“So Boaz took Ruth, and she was his wife.”

The sequence is worth noticing:


legal redemption → acquisition → marriage → fruitfulness → Naomi restored.


Dispensational interpreters understandably find this sequence fascinating in relation to:


Christ's redemptive work → Church → marriage of the Lamb → Israel's ultimate restoration/kingdom blessing.


I would not turn every chronological detail into prophecy. But the theological architecture certainly invites comparison.

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19. Obed becomes the “restorer of life” to Naomi​

The final scene is almost startling.


Ruth bears Obed.


But the narrative suddenly turns its attention back to Naomi:

Ruth 4:16
“And Naomi took the child, and laid it in her bosom...”

Then:

Ruth 4:17
“There is a son born to Naomi.”

Biologically that isn't literally true.


The narrator means:

Naomi's extinguished house has come back to life.​

Her name.


Her inheritance.


Her posterity.


Her future.


Everything that appeared dead at Ruth 1 now lives.


Hence:

“a restorer of thy life.”

This makes the Naomi–Israel analogy considerably stronger.


Israel's prophetic restoration repeatedly uses exactly this death → life imagery.


Most famously:

Ezekiel 37

Dry bones.


National death.


Reassembly.


Life.


Restoration.


And Paul similarly says of Israel:

Romans 11:15
“what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?”

The thematic correspondence with Naomi is striking.

 

[Kroogz]

I'm hearing replacement theology being used to justify anti Semitic slander. I'm hearing that Jews are no longer safe in many western countries, while Muslims can say and do as they please with little consequence. I'm hearing blatant lies on this forum about a nation that has had to fight for it's existence for 78 years.

Individually, no one is saved apart from faith in Christ. However, God chose to work through one nation to bring salvation to the world. God sent that nation into exile according to the covenant that He made with them at Mt Sinai.

God's plan and purpose cannot be thwarted. The nation of Israel was restored in 1948. It survives in spite of 400 million haters that surround them. God promised that He would ensure that his covenant would endure. It's God's word. You don't have to like it.

Israel will suffer much because of their rejection of Christ. The 7 year tribulation affects Israel more than anywhere else. It will also cause many to repent and turn to Christ.

Some Christians like to "spiritualise" aspects of God's word that they don't like and take literally aspects that fit their prejudices. Everyone will give an account of their words to God. There are some who should be sweating at that thought.
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Just the fact that Israel and the Jews exist is testimony to Gods faithfulness.

And the fact that the WORLD and 70/80/90% of believers hate/despise/forfeit Israel........Is reason to believe that God is not finished with them......Not to mention His very CLEAR and LITERAL Word.

 

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20. Ruth therefore moves from death to resurrection-like restoration​

The four chapters can almost be summarized as:

Ruth 1 — DEATH​

Naomi's family collapses.

Ruth 2 — PROVIDENCE​

The go’el appears.

Ruth 3 — APPEAL FOR REDEMPTION​

Ruth requests the redeemer's covering.

Ruth 4 — REDEMPTION AND RESTORATION​

Inheritance recovered, bride acquired, lineage restored.
And the final name is:

DAVID.

The book therefore doesn't terminate merely in domestic happiness.
It moves straight into Messianic history.
A recent scholarly typological treatment similarly identifies Elimelech's family with Israel's historical predicament, Naomi particularly with the remnant, Ruth with the Gentile nations, and Boaz/Obed with the coming Davidic Redeemer.

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21. How strongly do our named scholars support this?​

Here I would separate the evidence carefully.

John Walvoord — very strong support for Boaz → Christ​

This is explicit.
Walvoord says the go’el institution provides typical foreshadowings of Christ, identifies the necessary kinsman relationship, and specifically cites Ruth 3. He also recognizes Boaz/Ruth as part of the Old Testament marriage typology used by some expositors for Christ and His Gentile bride.
So:
Boaz = Christological go’el type: YES.
Ruth = Gentile-bride analogy: YES, with appropriate typological qualification.

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Arnold Fruchtenbaum — framework strongly supportive​

Fruchtenbaum has written an entire commentary on Judges and Ruth.
His official Ruth outline explicitly includes:

• Law of Levirate Marriage
• Kinsman-Redeemer
• Christology
• Soteriology
• Israelology
• Ruth and the Kinsman Redeemer
• The Redemption of Ruth
• The Blessing of Naomi

Ariel describes Boaz explicitly as typifying Messiah in his protection and redemption of Ruth.
What I cannot responsibly attribute to Fruchtenbaum from the material presently available is the exact equation:

“Naomi explicitly represents national Israel.”

It fits Fruchtenbaum's Israelology beautifully, but I don't want to put that sentence in his mouth without the relevant passage from his full commentary.

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R. B. Thieme Jr.​

Thieme definitely taught Ruth and used Ruth 1 and 4 in his doctrinal teaching; his published lesson index records treatment of Ruth 1:21–22 and Ruth 4:14–17, particularly around national discipline and restoration concepts.
However, I cannot presently verify an authoritative Thieme source explicitly stating the entire schema:

Naomi = Israel
Ruth = Church
Boaz = Christ

So again I would distinguish compatibility with Thieme's doctrinal framework from a securely documented direct attribution.

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22. The classic dispensational interpretation does explicitly identify Naomi with Israel​

Here we have direct evidence.
William John Hocking's Studies in the Book of Ruth says plainly:

“The widowed Naomi, an exile from the land of promise, is an unmistakable type of Israel...”

He then explicitly identifies:

• Boaz as the Go’el, representing Christ;
• the lost inheritance as Israel's inheritance to be restored;
• the nearer kinsman as the Law.

So the interpretation you're proposing is not some novel modern speculation.
It belongs to an established conservative typological tradition.

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23. One qualification: What exactly does Ruth represent?​

There are actually two major conservative typological approaches.

Scheme A — dispensational Church interpretation​

Naomi = Israel
Ruth = Gentile Church/Bride
Boaz = Christ
Nearer kinsman = Law
Inheritance = Israel's forfeited covenant inheritance
This creates a very attractive Romans 9–11 / Church-age pattern.

Scheme B — Israel-remnant interpretation​

Naomi = historical/national Israel
Ruth = faithful future remnant
Boaz = Messiah
Inheritance = restored kingdom blessing
Hocking, interestingly, takes Ruth more toward the restored remnant than straightforwardly making her the Church.
And that warning is useful.
The typology works best when we don't force every character into one rigid prophetic identity.

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24. What we can assert with different levels of certainty​

I'd arrange it like this:

Proposition	Confidence
Boaz is literally the go’el in Ruth	Certain
The go’el institution foreshadows divine/Messianic redemption	Extremely strong
Boaz is a legitimate type of Christ	Very strong
Christ fulfills the kinsman requirement through incarnation	Very strong
Boaz's redemption of inheritance parallels Messiah's restoration	Strong
Naomi corresponds typologically to dispossessed/restored Israel	Strong
Ruth corresponds to a Gentile bride	Strong analogy
Ruth specifically and exclusively represents the Church	Possible/attractive, not certain
Nearer kinsman specifically represents Mosaic Law	Plausible secondary typology
Every event in Ruth predicts an end-times chronological event	Too strong

That is the hermeneutically safe way of handling the book.

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25. The grand pattern​

Put everything together:

NAOMI​

An Israelite.
Possesses an inheritance.
Leaves the land.
Experiences judgment and bereavement.
Returns empty.
Cannot restore herself.
Waits upon the go’el.
Her inheritance is redeemed.
Her family comes alive again.
She finishes restored and full.

RUTH​

A Gentile outsider.
Turns from Moab.
Confesses Israel's God.
Comes under the wings of Yahweh.
Lives entirely by grace.
Meets the redeemer.
Requests his covering.
Becomes his bride.
Shares in his wealth.
Becomes instrumental in Naomi's restoration.

BOAZ​

A Jew from Bethlehem.
A mighty man of resources.
A genuine kinsman.
Has the legal right to redeem.
Has the resources to redeem.
Is willing to redeem.
Pays the necessary price.
Acquires the lost inheritance.
Takes the Gentile woman as bride.
Restores the Israelite family.
Produces the royal Davidic line.
And from that line ultimately comes—

JESUS CHRIST.​

That is why I think your original proposition is substantially correct.
Boaz is one of the richest Old Testament portraits of Christ as the Go’el. Naomi very naturally functions as a picture of covenant Israel—dispossessed, bitter, apparently emptied, yet never abandoned by God and ultimately restored through her Redeemer. Ruth introduces the astonishing parallel of a Gentile woman brought under the Redeemer's wings and united with him without replacing Naomi.
And perhaps the most dispensationally significant fact in the entire book is this:

Boaz's acquisition of his Gentile bride does not cancel Naomi's inheritance. It is the very circumstance through which Naomi's inheritance is restored.

That is a remarkably elegant Old Testament picture of why the Church's union with Messiah need not—and biblically does not—cancel Messiah's outstanding covenant obligations to Israel.

 

[cv5]

You've confused a modern historical event with the fulfillment of a specific prophetic text. Israel's establishment in 1948 is certainly remarkable, but “this resembles Ezekiel 37” is not the same as proving “Ezekiel 37 is being fulfilled in 1948–present.”

Ezekiel itself gives us the interpretation of the dry bones: “These bones are the whole house of Israel” (Ezek. 37:11). The vision concerns Israel's restoration from its seemingly dead, exilic condition, followed by reunification, God's Spirit, and covenant restoration. Scholars likewise recognize the bones as metaphorical imagery for Israel's national restoration, not a prophecy that necessarily specifies a particular modern political event.

More importantly, the passage continues beyond the bones. Ezekiel 37:21–28 describes Israel being gathered, made one nation, ruled by “David,” cleansed from its uncleanness, established in God's covenant of peace, and having God's sanctuary among them permanently. If someone wants to identify 1948 as the fulfillment, they need to explain how the whole prophetic sequence has been fulfilled—not simply point to the reestablishment of a modern nation-state.

Isaiah 66:8 doesn't solve this either. “A nation born in one day” is certainly compatible with a dramatic national restoration, but the surrounding passage describes Zion giving birth to her children in the context of God's eschatological intervention. The text itself does not name 1948, the State of Israel, or a modern secular nation-state.

And “fig tree budding” is even less decisive. Jesus' fig-tree illustration in Matthew 24 does not explicitly say, “When Israel becomes a modern nation, start the prophetic countdown.” That identification is an interpretive inference.

So yes: 1948 can be viewed by a Christian as providentially significant and potentially relevant to biblical restoration themes. But it is not a trump card that automatically proves futurist dispensationalism, nor does it disprove preterism, historicism, or other interpretations.

And calling people “Israel deniers” because they interpret these passages differently is simply polemics. The real question remains: What does the text itself say, in its historical and literary context? A remarkable resemblance is evidence worth discussing; it is not, by itself, proof of prophetic fulfillment.

An almost perfect dispensational reversal​

Consider the pattern.


During the present age:

Israel's rejection results in Gentile blessing.

Romans 11:

“Through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles.”

But eventually Gentile blessing participates in Israel's restoration:

Romans 11:11
“for to provoke them to jealousy.”

And finally:

Romans 11:26
“And so all Israel shall be saved.”

Ruth gives us an astonishing miniature:


Naomi's disaster → Ruth enters → Ruth encounters Redeemer → Ruth united with Redeemer → Naomi receives restoration.


A scholarly literary analysis even describes this as something like the Abrahamic covenant operating “in reverse”: Israel becomes blessed through a Gentile, while the eventual genealogy carries blessing outward again through David and Messiah.

 

[cv5]

Just the fact that Israel and the Jews exist is testimony to Gods faithfulness.

And the fact that the WORLD and 70/80/90% of believers hate/despise/forfeit Israel........Is reason to believe that God is not finished with them......Not to mention His very CLEAR and LITERAL Word.

The replacement theology crew and Israel deniers will NEVER be satisfied with ANYTHING.

They choose to reject Biblical prophecy indicating the inevitable and certain redemption.
They choose to reject Biblical types that are on target and manifestly obvious indicating the redemption.
They choose to reject geopolitical events that cannot be denied or ignored.

Bummer to be them!

 

[Kroogz]

Here let me help you:

The rules of Greek grammar in context here are impeccably clear.

The End-Time Generation (Contextual Futurism)

This is the dominant view among modern futurist and premillennial scholars. It argues that “this generation” does not mean Jesus’ generation, but rather the specific future generation that witnesses the events He just described.

The Grammar of "This" (hautē):
The user’s premise states that Jesus used "this" (hautē) instead of "that" (ekeinē). However, in Greek grammar, a demonstrative pronoun ("this") points to the nearest contextual antecedent.

In Matthew 24:32–33, Jesus uses the parable of the fig tree: "When you see all these things, you know that it is near..."

Therefore, "this" generation refers contextually to the generation just introduced in the preceding sentence—the generation living when the leaves of the fig tree bud.

An interesting note on"this Generation."

It's always used as a negative connotation. Only the wicked belong to this type of people.


"This generation" passes away at the second coming.

The naysayers have "this generation" as witnesses to an event/s as God fearing people. But "this generation" is evil that will pass away as these events take place.

 

[Churchgoer]

I think a lot focus is on "gentile" too.

So if an ethnic jew that is rejecting Jesus, is he considered a gentile?

Doesn't gentile means have no relationship with God? Not children of God?

 

[Churchgoer]

On the contrary, it is BECAUSE of the fact that I focus so intently on Jesus Messiah the Goel, the Kinsman Redeemer that mine eyes have been opened to rightly comprehend HIS plan of redemption, reconciliation, and ultimate salvation that He has prepared for His chosen people, the people that He foreknew, the Nation Israel.

The Boaz → Messiah/Go’el typology is exceptionally strong and has substantial support among conservative dispensational and evangelical interpreters. The Naomi → dispossessed Israel identification is also coherent and, in my judgment, fits the structure of Ruth remarkably well—but it should be stated with slightly more care: Scripture does not explicitly say “Naomi is a type of Israel,” so this is a typological inference rather than an inspired identification.
What makes the interpretation compelling is that Naomi is the Israelite whose inheritance has effectively been lost, Boaz is the qualified Jewish kinsman who restores that inheritance, and Ruth is the Gentile woman who becomes Boaz’s bride while simultaneously becoming the instrument through whom Naomi receives restoration. That combination is extraordinarily suggestive from a dispensational standpoint.

1. The controlling concept: the גֹּאֵל — Go’el​

The Hebrew root גאל — gāʾal means to redeem, reclaim, recover, or act as the next-of-kin.
Under the Mosaic Law, the go’el had several related responsibilities:

Function of the Go’el	Mosaic passage	What was restored
Redeem family land	Lev. 25:23–28	Lost inheritance
Redeem an impoverished relative	Lev. 25:47–55	Personal liberty
Preserve the family line	Deut. 25:5–10	Name/seed/inheritance
Avenge wrongful bloodshed	Num. 35:19–27	Family justice

Ruth combines especially the land-redemption principle of Leviticus 25 with a form of the family-line preservation principle of Deuteronomy 25.
Technically, Boaz is not simply performing a textbook levirate marriage, because Mahlon had no surviving brother. Ruth therefore represents an application of the broader kinsman-redeemer principle.
And this vocabulary is deliberately prominent in Ruth.
Fruchtenbaum's official outline makes the structure explicit:

He also specifically treats Ruth under the theological categories Christology, Soteriology, and Israelology.
That combination is important. Ruth isn't merely an ancient romance in Fruchtenbaum's treatment; redemption and Israel's theological program belong to the book's purpose.

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2. Boaz is unquestionably the Go’el figure​

Naomi first identifies him:

Then Ruth herself appeals directly to his office:

The Hebrew is go’el.
Boaz responds:

So the story deliberately turns upon one question:
Who possesses the legal right and ability to redeem?
That is exactly the question answered Christologically in the New Testament.
Walvoord makes the connection explicit. In his Christology he says that the Old Testament go’el institutions are “typical foreshadowings of Christ as our Redeemer.” He particularly connects Ruth 3:12–13 with the requirement that the redeemer must be a kinsman—related to the person or inheritance being redeemed.
So on the first major proposition there is very little room for doubt:

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3. The Redeemer must be a kinsman​

This may be the most beautiful Christological feature of Ruth.
A stranger couldn't perform the function.
The redeemer had to be related.
That explains something profound about the Incarnation:

And:

The eternal Son became genuinely human.
Why?
Among many reasons:

He became our Kinsman.​

God did not redeem mankind from a distance.
The Redeemer entered Adam's race.
Thus:
Boaz: related by blood to Elimelech's family.
Christ: entered humanity through incarnation.
The typological correspondence is powerful:

Walvoord explicitly makes this connection between Leviticus 25, Ruth 3 and Hebrews 2.

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4. The Redeemer must possess the ability to redeem​

Relationship alone wasn't sufficient.
A destitute relative couldn't redeem another destitute relative.
Boaz is introduced deliberately as:

Hebrew אִישׁ גִּבּוֹר חַיִל — ish gibbor chayil.
It can convey a man of substance, standing, ability or wealth.
That detail is hardly accidental within the redemption narrative.
Boaz possesses the resources necessary to pay the redemption price.
Christ possesses infinitely greater sufficiency:

Boaz can pay.
Christ can pay.
Neither redeemed through the resources of the helpless party.

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5. The Redeemer must be willing​

This becomes especially significant because there is another relative closer than Boaz.
Boaz acknowledges the nearer claimant:

The nearer relative initially says:

But once Ruth and the preservation of Mahlon's inheritance become involved:

This creates a remarkable contrast.

One can claim the inheritance but will not bear the full cost.​

Boaz willingly does so.
Christ likewise says:

Redemption therefore requires:
relationship + right + ability + willingness.
Boaz possesses all four.
Christ possesses them absolutely.

Please note when Naomi was redeemed, she already repented and turned to God. So was Ruth confessing to God.
Naomi and Ruth at that time were not in state of rebellion.

 

[Lovette]

Please do try and understand that the Ezekiel 37 dry bones prophecy is incremental and gradual in nature, culminating in the climax of the millennial reign as time and the chapters progress.

Israel’s restoration unfolds in distinguishable stages rather than occurring as one instantaneous event. That is very close to the way Fruchtenbaum, Walvoord, and many classical premillennial interpreters organize the prophecy.


Ezekiel himself gives you the basic structure. In 37:7–8 the bones first come together, then receive sinews, flesh, and skin, yet Ezekiel explicitly says “there was no breath in them.” Only afterward, in vv. 9–10, does the breath enter them and they live. Thus the vision itself presents restoration in stages: physical/national reconstitution first, spiritual life afterward. The chapter then proceeds beyond the dry-bones vision to the two sticks becoming one nation, one king ruling them, cleansing, covenant blessing, Davidic rule, and God's sanctuary among them in vv. 15–28.


That distinction is particularly important in Fruchtenbaum's system. His well-known interpretation is essentially:


worldwide dispersion → regathering in unbelief → national regeneration → Messiah's return → full covenant/kingdom restoration.


In other words, the present regathering of Jews to Israel can be understood as an early stage, but it is emphatically not yet the completed fulfillment of Ezekiel 37. National Israel can be physically constituted and nevertheless remain spiritually unregenerate—remarkably like the bodies of Ezekiel 37:8 that are fully assembled but have “no breath” in them.


That is one reason dispensational interpreters have often seen a striking correspondence between Ezekiel's sequence and modern Israel, while being careful not to say that the establishment of Israel in 1948 exhausted the prophecy.

I agree that Ezekiel 37 depicts a sequence rather than one instantaneous event. But that actually makes the dispensational argument more complicated, not conclusive.

The crucial point is that Ezekiel himself interprets the dry bones in v. 11: “These bones are the whole house of Israel.” The vision is therefore about Israel's restoration from its condition of death and exile. The bones coming together, receiving flesh, and finally receiving breath certainly creates a dramatic sequence, but the text does not say, “the first stage is the establishment of a modern political state, followed centuries later by spiritual regeneration.”

In fact, the “no breath” stage is immediately followed by the breath entering the bodies within the same prophetic vision. It is therefore questionable to turn a moment in a symbolic vision into a 2,000-year chronological interval.

More importantly, the passage's own climax is not merely “Israel exists as a nation.” It is that the whole house of Israel lives, is gathered, becomes one, is cleansed from sin, receives one shepherd/king, enters God's covenant of peace, and has God's sanctuary among them (Ezek. 37:21–28). That is the complete package Ezekiel describes.

So 1948 may reasonably be regarded as a striking historical parallel to the regathering motif, but the text does not identify 1948 as the first prophetic stage. That identification comes from applying a particular modern eschatological framework to the passage.

And there is another important distinction: “incremental restoration” does not equal “dispensational restoration.” Preterists, historicists, amillennialists, and other interpreters can acknowledge progressive restoration without accepting the Fruchtenbaum/Walvoord chronology.

The real question is therefore not whether Ezekiel contains stages—it plainly does. The question is whether Scripture itself tells us to map those stages onto:

modern Jewish regathering → future national regeneration → Second Coming → Millennium.

That is the additional proposition that has to be demonstrated. Ezekiel 37 by itself does not supply that chronological map.

So the argument has successfully shown progression, but it has not yet shown dispensationalism.

 

[Lovette]

The incipient reconstitution of the Nation Israel has to be the most staggering, startling, seismic geopolitical event of the last 2000 years.

It freaked out the neighbors so badly that they instantly went to war to prevent its founding. And then 19 years later (hint second captivity reversal vibes) they tried again.

And strangely enough, the Israel of today is the most talked about battleground nation on the planet by a large margin, making the entire world stagger and puke. It just seems so eerie and spooky, as if God is speaking to the world in warning and witness. Right?

Zechariah 12:2 (KJV)
"Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem."

Zechariah 12:3 (KJV)
"And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it."

Linguistic Context
Burdensome stone ('Eben ma'ămāšāh / אֶבֶן מַעֲמָשָׂה): Refers to a stone so heavy or sharp that anyone attempting to lift, carry, or displace it inflicts severe injury on themselves.
Cup of trembling / reeling (Saph-ra'al / סַף-רַעַל): Refers to a goblet filled with an intoxicating liquid that causes surrounding nations to stagger, disorienting their judgment.

Israel's modern history is certainly extraordinary, and Jerusalem has been an intensely contested city. But describing those facts as “eerie” or “spooky” is not the same thing as demonstrating that Zechariah 12 is being fulfilled today.

First, Zechariah 12 repeatedly says “in that day.” The passage doesn't merely predict that Jerusalem will be politically controversial. It describes a specific divine intervention in which God defends Jerusalem, destroys the nations attacking it, pours out “the spirit of grace and supplication,” and brings about profound mourning and repentance (Zech. 12:3, 9–10). The surrounding chapters continue into national cleansing, the Messiah's reign, and eschatological judgment. Modern geopolitical controversy does not reproduce that sequence.

Second, “Jerusalem is a burdensome stone for all people” does not mean “Jerusalem is the most discussed geopolitical issue in the modern world.” That's an inference from modern media attention, not the meaning of the Hebrew text. Zechariah describes nations actually gathering against Jerusalem and suffering God's judgment—not merely diplomats, journalists, governments, activists, and commentators arguing about it.

Third, the claim that Israel's neighbors immediately went to war in 1948 doesn't uniquely identify Zechariah 12. Newly created states being attacked by neighboring states is a historical phenomenon that can be explained without invoking prophecy. To establish prophetic fulfillment, you need details that are specific enough to distinguish Zechariah's prediction from ordinary geopolitical conflict.

Fourth, the “19 years later = second captivity reversal” connection is especially speculative. Zechariah 12 doesn't give a 19-year interval, mention 1948 or 1967, or identify two modern wars as prophetic stages. Once those correspondences are supplied by the interpreter rather than the text, the argument becomes pattern-matching rather than exegesis.

And there is a deeper problem: if today's conflicts fulfill Zechariah 12, where is the rest of the prophecy? Has God decisively destroyed the nations gathered against Jerusalem? Has the promised national mourning and spiritual transformation occurred? Has the subsequent cleansing described in Zechariah 13 occurred? Has the eschatological “Day of the LORD” sequence of chapters 12–14 been completed?

If the answer is “not yet,” then at most 1948 and subsequent events could be interpreted as preparatory or preliminary developments, not as proof that Zechariah 12 is presently being fulfilled.

So yes, modern Israel is historically remarkable. Jerusalem's continued centrality is remarkable. A Christian can reasonably see providence in that history. But remarkable history is not a substitute for textual correspondence.

The proper question isn't, “Does this feel eerily prophetic?” It is: Does the complete sequence described by Zechariah actually correspond to what has happened? That is a much higher evidentiary standard.

 

[PennEd]

I will not disparage the messenger; however, the message itself is severely in error. And, so is anyone who is determined to separate the three accounts of the Olivet Discourse as not being three accounts of the very same message.

Believe whatever you like Gary, but here is the actual breakdown. Maybe it’s you that is in error?

• • The Setting and Audience:
    • Matthew 24 (The Olivet Discourse): Occurs privately on the Mount of Olives at night as an "insider's briefing" given by Jesus exclusively to four disciples: Peter, James, John, and Andrew.
    • Luke 21: Suggested to have taken place publicly in the Temple during the day before a broader audience. [1]
  • The Fall of Jerusalem (70 AD) vs. End-Time Tribulation:
    • Luke 21 focuses heavily on the historical destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD by Roman armies, advising Christians to flee when the city is surrounded. Luke places these local signs and the trampling of Jerusalem before the broader cosmic troubles.
    • Matthew 24 focuses on the end-time "Time of Jacob's Trouble" and places the ultimate desolation and the Great Tribulation after the initial signs of global chaos and the abomination of desolation. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
  • The Timing of the "Beginning of Sorrows":
    • Matthew classifies wars, famines, and earthquakes as the "beginning of sorrows" (birth pangs) that kick off a sequence leading to the end.
    • Luke mentions major earthquakes, pestilences, and fearful sights happening before those initial birth-pang signs unfold. [1, 2, 3]
  • The Abomination of Desolation:
    • Explicitly highlighted in Matthew 24 as a future end-time event standing in the holy place, whereas it is omitted or differently emphasized in Luke's public temple discourse. [1, 2]

 

[cv5]

Please note when Naomi was redeemed, she already repented and turned to God. So was Ruth confessing to God.
Naomi and Ruth at that time were not in state of rebellion.

Of course Israel will likewise truly repent, as I have been trumpeting incessantly all along.

This is the absolute prerequisite that triggers their redemption and the restoration of their Kingdom in their own land.

But the Ezekiel 37 dry bones "gradual incremental pre-gathering" process must needs to occur beforehand.

Does that help to untangle your confused state of mind?

 

[Churchgoer]

Of course Israel will likewise truly repent, as I have been trumpeting incessantly all along.

This is the absolute prerequisite that triggers their redemption and the restoration of their Kingdom in their own land.

But the Ezekiel 37 dry bones "gradual incremental pre-gathering" process must needs to occur beforehand.

Does that help to untangle your confused state of mind?

And what's the reason for believers to support a non-repented secular nation?

 

[OMC]

And what's the reason for believers to support a non-repented secular nation?

There is no biblical obligation to support any non‑repentant secular nation.
Only to live faithfully within it while keeping my allegiance fixed on the Kingdom of God.

 

[figtree]

Hell no. Israel as God's chosen people is irreplaceable. The Gentile church as we know it is grafted into the commonwealth of Israel, access to God is extended to us Gentiles through Jesus, by no means is that a replacement of the original Israel. Gentiles are specifically warned in Rom. 11:19-21 on this.

For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.

You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. (Rom. 11:13-21)

It is not that he forgot his promise to Israel and rejected them is that they rejected him


The king says the original guests were not worthy, so he orders his servants to go to the street corners and invite anyone they can find.

 

[Churchgoer]

There is no biblical obligation to support any non‑repentant secular nation.
Only to live faithfully within it while keeping my allegiance fixed on the Kingdom of God.

This i agree.
Like I always said, Jesus didn't call Judah to sell Him. But Jesus used Judah to sell him.
God didn't call the brothers to sell Joseph. But God used the brothers evil act.