By John Piper, what else can be expected, he's hard core Calvinist.
Someone else posted him too, before me. I figure i will chime in.By John Piper, what else can be expected, he's hard core Calvinist.
“The sun rose this morning. God's covenant with Israel the nation stands. Why is that so hard to understand?“
I think the difficulty is some people’s refusal to read what’s written … they broke the covenant god made with them regarding thier land just as he said they would….
“And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them.”
Deuteronomy 31:16 KJV
Read the long list of perpetual curses that follows and then read what you wrote yes god will keep the covenant he made with them .
“But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments; and if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant: I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.”
Leviticus 26:14-16 KJV
the rest of the chapter is part of a repetetive theme in the ot regarding Israel’s cirsed for breaking the covenant
now the thing is God made a new covenant with them even after they broke the one he made at Sinai which they broke .
“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: but this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.”
Jeremiah 31:31-33 KJV
the land promosed in the new covenant
“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
Isaiah 65:17 KJV
It’s just a matter of reading what’s there in your Bible . As long as Jews or anyone else rejects Christ they will never have any place with him
Where in the Bible that God telling us, His believers, to support a secular nation?I think you should read Revelation 20 again unless you believe that there will still be people repopulating and dying in the NEW earth before the final Great White Throne Judgement. Jesus will cut out 2/3 from the existing land and refine a 1/3 remnant to REMAIN in the land per Zechariah 13:8-9. This is where Jesus' Millennial Kingdom reign will take place to allow the remnant to rebuild and populate for 1,000 years before the final battle of Gog & Magog and the final Great White Throne Judgement as described in Revelation 20.
Not arguing but asking: Where is the proof that it is about the babylonian captivity?
I see that once again your appalling biblical illiteracy has led to you calling Jesus King of the Jews a liar.Jesus himself never self identified as King of the Jews.
Where in the Bible that God telling us, His believers, to support a secular nation?
Correction: Christ Jesus is NEVER stated to be King of the Christians.Actually to a Christian there is no king other than Jesus.
Romans 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Correction: Christ Jesus is NEVER stated to be King of the Christians.
He always is. Never change.The Bible tells us that when Jesus returns to earth, He will be returning as "King of Kings and Lord of Lords" over all.
Ahhhhh yes. Promises to Abraham.And God did all those things He promised to Abraham.
Yet for the children of Israel the covenant that bound them to the land was with Moses.
So you understand now?
Good.
He always is. Never change.
Just within certain limited territory, He temporarily gives some people some power.
"The king 's heart is in the hand of the Lord, as the rivers of water. He turns it wherever He will."
Proverb 21:1
Right. King of the dominions of the EARTH in the milennium.The Bible tells us that when Jesus returns to earth, He will be returning as "King of Kings and Lord of Lords" over all.
“Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.”
— Ephesians 5:23
“He is the head of the body, the church.”
— Colossians 1:18
“I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.”
— 2 Corinthians 11:2
“Jesus Christ is Lord.”
— Philippians 2:11
“King of the Jews” — Matthew 2:2; 27:11, 37
“the King of Israel” — John 1:49; 12:13
“KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”
— Revelation 19:16
“the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords.”
“Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son.”
— Colossians 1:13
“If we suffer, we shall also reign with him.”
— 2 Timothy 2:12
“they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”
— Revelation 20:4
“we shall reign on the earth.”
— Revelation 5:10
“the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High.”
— Daniel 7:27
Got you. Being that Ezekiel got this prophecy in Babylon makes sense that Ezekiel 36 is talking about the gathering from Babylon. Why would he skip the babylonian captivity and go thousands of years in advance? What does this do to the current regathering of Israel? Is it a fulfillment of Luke 21:24 "And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled."Do you not consider this common knowledge?
For the sake of expediency here is further information...
Ezekiel, “a priest, the son of Buzi” (Ezekiel 1:3), was deported to Babylonia in 597 BC with King Jehoiachin and the first wave of Judean exiles (2 Kings 24:10-16). He ministered from 593 BC to at least 571 BC among the captives settled by the Chebar Canal, a Nebuchadnezzar-engineered irrigation branch of the Euphrates near Nippur. Contemporary Babylonian ration tablets (BM 115626, 115628) list “Yaʾukīnu, king of the land of Judah,” confirming Jehoiachin’s presence and corroborating the biblical exile chronology.
By 586 BC Jerusalem lay in ruins, the temple burned, and the land emptied, just as Moses had warned in Deuteronomy 28–29. Nebuchadnezzar’s victory is recorded not only in 2 Kings 25 but also in the Babylonian Chronicle (BM 21946, lines 11-13). This desolation frames Ezekiel 36:16’s indictment and the subsequent promise of restoration.
Ezekiel 36:16 emerges from Judah’s catastrophic fall, Babylonian exile, and spiritual apostasy. Historical records—from the Babylonian Chronicle to ration tablets—affirm the biblical timeline. Within this milieu God indicts Israel, explains the exile, and prepares the ground for a sweeping restoration that ultimately reaches its climax in the death and resurrection of Jesus the Messiah.
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The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is Pentecost.
Right. King of the dominions of the EARTH in the milennium.
The New Testament repeatedly calls Jesus Lord, Head, Shepherd, Bridegroom, Savior, and it calls Him King of Israel / King of the Jews / King of kings, but it does not ordinarily designate Him by the formula “King of the Church” or “King of Christians.”
That is not an accident. It reflects distinct biblical relationships.
Christ's relationship to the Church is especially expressed as Head to Body:
And:
The Church is also portrayed as His Bride:
And Christians characteristically address Him as Lord:
That is strikingly different from the terminology attached to Israel. Jesus is explicitly called:
and:
So there really is a dispensational distinction worth preserving.
The resolution is that Christ can exercise universal kingship without “King of the Christians” being the defining covenant title of His relationship to the Church.
At His Second Advent Revelation presents Him as:
That is universal sovereignty. Every earthly ruler and nation is subordinate to Him.
Similarly 1 Timothy 6:15 calls Him:
Therefore Christians certainly fall under His sovereign authority, but that does not mean Scripture chooses “King” as the primary ecclesiological title describing our union with Him.
The distinction can be stated like this:
Israel → Messiah as King
Church → Christ as Head, Bridegroom, and Lord
World/nations → Christ as King of kings and Lord of lords
And in the Messianic Kingdom those categories coexist.
There is another important text:
This proves Christians belong to the sphere of Christ's kingdom authority. But notice Paul still does not say, “Christ is King of the Church.” Two propositions can therefore both be true:
1. Christians belong to Christ's kingdom and are subject to His sovereign authority.
2. Christ's distinctive relationship to the Church is described primarily as Head/Lord/Bridegroom rather than King.
That distinction becomes even clearer because the Church is promised to reign with Christ.
Paul says:
Revelation says:
And:
Thus the Church is not merely pictured as one more earthly subject-population underneath Messiah in precisely the same relationship as the nations. The glorified Church participates ***with*** Christ in His administration of the kingdom.
This helps enormously with the millennial structure.
When Christ returns:
Christ = supreme King
beneath Him are glorified saints sharing delegated rule, while terrestrial Israel and the surviving nations exist within the kingdom over which He exercises universal sovereignty.
Daniel 7 anticipates this astonishing arrangement:
The saints receive the kingdom under the supreme authority of Messiah.
That also explains why calling Christ simply “our King” is theologically possible in the broad sovereignty sense, but it can obscure an important NT distinction if someone then argues that the Church has simply replaced Israel as Messiah's kingdom nation. Scripture's actual terminology is considerably more precise.
John Piper preaches with deep seriousness about Scripture, but he does so through a theological system, not from a purely text‑first, Scripture‑only posture.By John Piper, what else can be expected, he's hard core Calvinist.
Got you. Being that Ezekiel got this prophecy in Babylon makes sense that Ezekiel 36 is talking about the gathering from Babylon. Why would he skip the babylonian captivity and go thousands of years in advance? What does this do to the current regathering of Israel? Is it a fulfillment of Luke 21:24 "And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled."
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I agree with you that Ezekiel 36 is past.
This post you just posted, by your speaking word by word?John Piper preaches with deep seriousness about Scripture, but he does so through a theological system, not from a purely text‑first, Scripture‑only posture.
His sermons and books are filled with Bible, yet the interpretive lens he uses is consistently Reformed, Edwardsian, and shaped by his own construct of Christian Hedonism.
This means his conclusions often begin with a system and then move toward the text, rather than beginning with the text and allowing it to overturn the system when necessary.
He is not a careless interpreter — he handles Greek grammar well and respects context — but he consistently reads passages through assumptions about sovereignty, election, human inability, and joy-as-duty that come from his theological tradition.
In short, Piper is a Bible-saturated teacher whose interpretations are guided by a Reformed framework rather than a neutral, Scripture-only approach.
What I am saying is that there is an intentional DISTINCTION between King of the Jews, King of KingsI understand what you're saying, if you're just using the difference in terminology to point out proof that Jesus will indeed rule from earthly Jerusalem during His Millennial Kingdom versus those who don't believe in an earthly kingdom at all.