Replacement theology? Yes or No.

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“The sun rose this morning. God's covenant with Israel the nation stands. Why is that so hard to understand?“


I think the difficulty is some people’s refusal to read what’s written … they broke the covenant god made with them regarding thier land just as he said they would….

“And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭31:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Read the long list of perpetual curses that follows and then read what you wrote yes god will keep the covenant he made with them .

“But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments; and if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant: I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.”
‭‭Leviticus‬ ‭26:14-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the rest of the chapter is part of a repetetive theme in the ot regarding Israel’s cirsed for breaking the covenant


now the thing is God made a new covenant with them even after they broke the one he made at Sinai which they broke .
“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: but this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:31-33‬ ‭KJV‬‬


the land promosed in the new covenant

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17‬ ‭KJV

It’s just a matter of reading what’s there in your Bible . As long as Jews or anyone else rejects Christ they will never have any place with him

I think you should read Revelation 20 again unless you believe that there will still be people repopulating and dying in the NEW earth before the final Great White Throne Judgement. Jesus will cut out 2/3 from the existing land and refine a 1/3 remnant to REMAIN in the land per Zechariah 13:8-9. This is where Jesus' Millennial Kingdom reign will take place to allow the remnant to rebuild and populate for 1,000 years before the final battle of Gog & Magog and the final Great White Throne Judgement as described in Revelation 20.
 
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I think you should read Revelation 20 again unless you believe that there will still be people repopulating and dying in the NEW earth before the final Great White Throne Judgement. Jesus will cut out 2/3 from the existing land and refine a 1/3 remnant to REMAIN in the land per Zechariah 13:8-9. This is where Jesus' Millennial Kingdom reign will take place to allow the remnant to rebuild and populate for 1,000 years before the final battle of Gog & Magog and the final Great White Throne Judgement as described in Revelation 20.
Where in the Bible that God telling us, His believers, to support a secular nation?
 
Not arguing but asking: Where is the proof that it is about the babylonian captivity?

Do you not consider this common knowledge?

For the sake of expediency here is further information...

Ezekiel, “a priest, the son of Buzi” (Ezekiel 1:3), was deported to Babylonia in 597 BC with King Jehoiachin and the first wave of Judean exiles (2 Kings 24:10-16). He ministered from 593 BC to at least 571 BC among the captives settled by the Chebar Canal, a Nebuchadnezzar-engineered irrigation branch of the Euphrates near Nippur. Contemporary Babylonian ration tablets (BM 115626, 115628) list “Yaʾukīnu, king of the land of Judah,” confirming Jehoiachin’s presence and corroborating the biblical exile chronology.

By 586 BC Jerusalem lay in ruins, the temple burned, and the land emptied, just as Moses had warned in Deuteronomy 28–29. Nebuchadnezzar’s victory is recorded not only in 2 Kings 25 but also in the Babylonian Chronicle (BM 21946, lines 11-13). This desolation frames Ezekiel 36:16’s indictment and the subsequent promise of restoration.

Ezekiel 36:16 emerges from Judah’s catastrophic fall, Babylonian exile, and spiritual apostasy. Historical records—from the Babylonian Chronicle to ration tablets—affirm the biblical timeline. Within this milieu God indicts Israel, explains the exile, and prepares the ground for a sweeping restoration that ultimately reaches its climax in the death and resurrection of Jesus the Messiah.

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The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is Pentecost.
 
Jesus himself never self identified as King of the Jews.
I see that once again your appalling biblical illiteracy has led to you calling Jesus King of the Jews a liar.
For you this is of course quite typical, as coddling bogus dogma will inevitably produce this result.

Did Christ Jesus write His own Bible? Yes.
Has Jesus identified Himself as King of the Jews? Yes.

Mat 2:2
Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

Mat 21:5
“Tell the daughter of Zion,
‘Behold, your King is coming to you,
Lowly, and sitting on a donkey,
A colt, the foal of a donkey.' ”


Isa 43:15
I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.

Isa 41:21
Produce your cause, saith the LORD; bring forth your strong reasons, saith the King of Jacob

Zep 3:15
The LORD has taken away your judgments,
He has cast out your enemy.
The King of Israel, the LORD, is in your midst;
You shall see disaster no more.
 
Actually to a Christian there is no king other than Jesus.

Romans 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Correction: Christ Jesus is NEVER stated to be King of the Christians.
 
The Bible tells us that when Jesus returns to earth, He will be returning as "King of Kings and Lord of Lords" over all.
He always is. Never change.

Just within certain limited territory, He temporarily gives some people some power.

"The king 's heart is in the hand of the Lord, as the rivers of water. He turns it wherever He will."
Proverb 21:1
 
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And God did all those things He promised to Abraham.
Yet for the children of Israel the covenant that bound them to the land was with Moses.
So you understand now?
Good.
Ahhhhh yes. Promises to Abraham.
Are you aware of these facts:
1) Abraham never saw the promises fulfilled? He literally owned a burial cave and that's all.
2) Abraham will surely be bodily resurrected into the Kingdom prepared for him? And he knew it.
3) the promises to Abraham were to HIM and his seed. And he knew it.

[Gen 13:14-17 KJV]
14 And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward:
15 For all the LAND which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.
16 And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, [then] shall thy seed also be numbered.
17 Arise, walk through the LAND in the length of it and in the breadth of it; for I will give it unto thee.

[Heb 11:8-10, 13 NKJV]
8 By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going.
9 By faith he dwelt in the land of promise as [in] a foreign country, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise;
10 for he waited for the city which has foundations, whose builder and maker [is] God. ...
13 These all died in faith, NOT having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them, embraced [them] and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Act 7:5
“And God gave him no inheritance in it, not even enough to set his foot on. But even when Abraham had no child, He promised to give it to him for a possession, and to his descendants after him.

Mat 22:32
‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”

Luk 13:28
“There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out.
Luk 13:29
“They will come from the east and the west, from the north and the south, and sit down in the kingdom of God.

Mat 8:11
“And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.

Dan 7:27
Then the kingdom and dominion,
And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven,
Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High.
His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.’
 
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He always is. Never change.

Just within certain limited territory, He temporarily gives some people some power.

"The king 's heart is in the hand of the Lord, as the rivers of water. He turns it wherever He will."
Proverb 21:1

Yes, God/Jesus allows certain people power at certain times in order for his full plan to unfold as described in...

Zechariah 12:1-9

12 The burden of the word of the Lord for Israel, saith the Lord, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.

3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

4 In that day, saith the Lord, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness.

5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem shall be my strength in the Lord of hosts their God.

6 In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.

7 The Lord also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.

8 In that day shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the Lord before them.

9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
 
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The Bible tells us that when Jesus returns to earth, He will be returning as "King of Kings and Lord of Lords" over all.
Right. King of the dominions of the EARTH in the milennium.

The New Testament repeatedly calls Jesus Lord, Head, Shepherd, Bridegroom, Savior, and it calls Him King of Israel / King of the Jews / King of kings, but it does not ordinarily designate Him by the formula “King of the Church” or “King of Christians.”


That is not an accident. It reflects distinct biblical relationships.


Christ's relationship to the Church is especially expressed as Head to Body:


“Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.”
— Ephesians 5:23

And:


“He is the head of the body, the church.”
— Colossians 1:18

The Church is also portrayed as His Bride:


“I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.”
— 2 Corinthians 11:2

And Christians characteristically address Him as Lord:


“Jesus Christ is Lord.”
— Philippians 2:11

That is strikingly different from the terminology attached to Israel. Jesus is explicitly called:


“King of the Jews” — Matthew 2:2; 27:11, 37

and:


“the King of Israel” — John 1:49; 12:13

So there really is a dispensational distinction worth preserving.


The resolution is that Christ can exercise universal kingship without “King of the Christians” being the defining covenant title of His relationship to the Church.


At His Second Advent Revelation presents Him as:


“KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”
— Revelation 19:16

That is universal sovereignty. Every earthly ruler and nation is subordinate to Him.


Similarly 1 Timothy 6:15 calls Him:


“the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords.”

Therefore Christians certainly fall under His sovereign authority, but that does not mean Scripture chooses “King” as the primary ecclesiological title describing our union with Him.


The distinction can be stated like this:


Israel → Messiah as King
Church → Christ as Head, Bridegroom, and Lord
World/nations → Christ as King of kings and Lord of lords



And in the Messianic Kingdom those categories coexist.


There is another important text:


“Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son.”
— Colossians 1:13

This proves Christians belong to the sphere of Christ's kingdom authority. But notice Paul still does not say, “Christ is King of the Church.” Two propositions can therefore both be true:


1. Christians belong to Christ's kingdom and are subject to His sovereign authority.
2. Christ's distinctive relationship to the Church is described primarily as Head/Lord/Bridegroom rather than King.



That distinction becomes even clearer because the Church is promised to reign with Christ.


Paul says:


“If we suffer, we shall also reign with him.”
— 2 Timothy 2:12

Revelation says:


“they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”
— Revelation 20:4

And:


“we shall reign on the earth.”
— Revelation 5:10

Thus the Church is not merely pictured as one more earthly subject-population underneath Messiah in precisely the same relationship as the nations. The glorified Church participates ***with*** Christ in His administration of the kingdom.


This helps enormously with the millennial structure.


When Christ returns:


Christ = supreme King


beneath Him are glorified saints sharing delegated rule, while terrestrial Israel and the surviving nations exist within the kingdom over which He exercises universal sovereignty.


Daniel 7 anticipates this astonishing arrangement:


“the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High.”
— Daniel 7:27

The saints receive the kingdom under the supreme authority of Messiah.

That also explains why calling Christ simply “our King” is theologically possible in the broad sovereignty sense, but it can obscure an important NT distinction if someone then argues that the Church has simply replaced Israel as Messiah's kingdom nation. Scripture's actual terminology is considerably more precise.
 
Do you not consider this common knowledge?

For the sake of expediency here is further information...

Ezekiel, “a priest, the son of Buzi” (Ezekiel 1:3), was deported to Babylonia in 597 BC with King Jehoiachin and the first wave of Judean exiles (2 Kings 24:10-16). He ministered from 593 BC to at least 571 BC among the captives settled by the Chebar Canal, a Nebuchadnezzar-engineered irrigation branch of the Euphrates near Nippur. Contemporary Babylonian ration tablets (BM 115626, 115628) list “Yaʾukīnu, king of the land of Judah,” confirming Jehoiachin’s presence and corroborating the biblical exile chronology.

By 586 BC Jerusalem lay in ruins, the temple burned, and the land emptied, just as Moses had warned in Deuteronomy 28–29. Nebuchadnezzar’s victory is recorded not only in 2 Kings 25 but also in the Babylonian Chronicle (BM 21946, lines 11-13). This desolation frames Ezekiel 36:16’s indictment and the subsequent promise of restoration.

Ezekiel 36:16 emerges from Judah’s catastrophic fall, Babylonian exile, and spiritual apostasy. Historical records—from the Babylonian Chronicle to ration tablets—affirm the biblical timeline. Within this milieu God indicts Israel, explains the exile, and prepares the ground for a sweeping restoration that ultimately reaches its climax in the death and resurrection of Jesus the Messiah.

Bible Hub


The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is Pentecost.
Got you. Being that Ezekiel got this prophecy in Babylon makes sense that Ezekiel 36 is talking about the gathering from Babylon. Why would he skip the babylonian captivity and go thousands of years in advance? What does this do to the current regathering of Israel? Is it a fulfillment of Luke 21:24 "And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled."

?

I agree with you that Ezekiel 36 is past.
 
Right. King of the dominions of the EARTH in the milennium.

The New Testament repeatedly calls Jesus Lord, Head, Shepherd, Bridegroom, Savior, and it calls Him King of Israel / King of the Jews / King of kings, but it does not ordinarily designate Him by the formula “King of the Church” or “King of Christians.”


That is not an accident. It reflects distinct biblical relationships.


Christ's relationship to the Church is especially expressed as Head to Body:




And:




The Church is also portrayed as His Bride:




And Christians characteristically address Him as Lord:




That is strikingly different from the terminology attached to Israel. Jesus is explicitly called:




and:




So there really is a dispensational distinction worth preserving.


The resolution is that Christ can exercise universal kingship without “King of the Christians” being the defining covenant title of His relationship to the Church.


At His Second Advent Revelation presents Him as:




That is universal sovereignty. Every earthly ruler and nation is subordinate to Him.


Similarly 1 Timothy 6:15 calls Him:




Therefore Christians certainly fall under His sovereign authority, but that does not mean Scripture chooses “King” as the primary ecclesiological title describing our union with Him.


The distinction can be stated like this:


Israel → Messiah as King
Church → Christ as Head, Bridegroom, and Lord
World/nations → Christ as King of kings and Lord of lords



And in the Messianic Kingdom those categories coexist.


There is another important text:




This proves Christians belong to the sphere of Christ's kingdom authority. But notice Paul still does not say, “Christ is King of the Church.” Two propositions can therefore both be true:


1. Christians belong to Christ's kingdom and are subject to His sovereign authority.
2. Christ's distinctive relationship to the Church is described primarily as Head/Lord/Bridegroom rather than King.



That distinction becomes even clearer because the Church is promised to reign with Christ.


Paul says:




Revelation says:




And:




Thus the Church is not merely pictured as one more earthly subject-population underneath Messiah in precisely the same relationship as the nations. The glorified Church participates ***with*** Christ in His administration of the kingdom.


This helps enormously with the millennial structure.


When Christ returns:


Christ = supreme King


beneath Him are glorified saints sharing delegated rule, while terrestrial Israel and the surviving nations exist within the kingdom over which He exercises universal sovereignty.


Daniel 7 anticipates this astonishing arrangement:




The saints receive the kingdom under the supreme authority of Messiah.

That also explains why calling Christ simply “our King” is theologically possible in the broad sovereignty sense, but it can obscure an important NT distinction if someone then argues that the Church has simply replaced Israel as Messiah's kingdom nation. Scripture's actual terminology is considerably more precise.

I understand what you're saying, if you're just using the difference in terminology to point out proof that Jesus will indeed rule from earthly Jerusalem during His Millennial Kingdom versus those who don't believe in an earthly kingdom at all.
 
By John Piper, what else can be expected, he's hard core Calvinist.
John Piper preaches with deep seriousness about Scripture, but he does so through a theological system, not from a purely text‑first, Scripture‑only posture.
His sermons and books are filled with Bible, yet the interpretive lens he uses is consistently Reformed, Edwardsian, and shaped by his own construct of Christian Hedonism.
This means his conclusions often begin with a system and then move toward the text, rather than beginning with the text and allowing it to overturn the system when necessary.
He is not a careless interpreter — he handles Greek grammar well and respects context — but he consistently reads passages through assumptions about sovereignty, election, human inability, and joy-as-duty that come from his theological tradition.
In short, Piper is a Bible-saturated teacher whose interpretations are guided by a Reformed framework rather than a neutral, Scripture-only approach.
 
I have displaced my theology somewhere...but check out the brand new covers of the Bibles on the Judge a book contest thread.
 
Got you. Being that Ezekiel got this prophecy in Babylon makes sense that Ezekiel 36 is talking about the gathering from Babylon. Why would he skip the babylonian captivity and go thousands of years in advance? What does this do to the current regathering of Israel? Is it a fulfillment of Luke 21:24 "And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled."

?

I agree with you that Ezekiel 36 is past.

I also see Luke 21:24 having been fulfilled in the first century, specifically before 70 AD.
 
John Piper preaches with deep seriousness about Scripture, but he does so through a theological system, not from a purely text‑first, Scripture‑only posture.
His sermons and books are filled with Bible, yet the interpretive lens he uses is consistently Reformed, Edwardsian, and shaped by his own construct of Christian Hedonism.
This means his conclusions often begin with a system and then move toward the text, rather than beginning with the text and allowing it to overturn the system when necessary.
He is not a careless interpreter — he handles Greek grammar well and respects context — but he consistently reads passages through assumptions about sovereignty, election, human inability, and joy-as-duty that come from his theological tradition.
In short, Piper is a Bible-saturated teacher whose interpretations are guided by a Reformed framework rather than a neutral, Scripture-only approach.
This post you just posted, by your speaking word by word?
Or ai?
 
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I understand what you're saying, if you're just using the difference in terminology to point out proof that Jesus will indeed rule from earthly Jerusalem during His Millennial Kingdom versus those who don't believe in an earthly kingdom at all.
What I am saying is that there is an intentional DISTINCTION between King of the Jews, King of Kings
vs Lord, Head, Shepherd, Bridegroom, Savior of the Church.

Never not one time in the NT is Jesus stated to be King of the Christians, this being intentional, and for good reason.