Replacement theology? Yes or No.

[God-fearing]

Correct he was writing to the believers in Rome at living at that time, about events that were going to happen soon.

And we know the destruction of the Temple was God's final judgement after He graciously gave time to repent.

Gods final judgment? Is this because of the crucifixion?

 

[Revelation1v8]

Correct he was writing to the believers in Rome at living at that time, about events that were going to happen soon.

And we know the destruction of the Temple was God's final judgement after He graciously gave time to repent.

God's final judgement doesn't happen until the Great White Throne Judgement, which comes after the Sheep & Goat Judgement. There are many judgements and it helps to keep track of them.

 

[cv5]

God's final judgement doesn't happen until the Great White Throne Judgement, which comes after the Sheep & Goat Judgement. There are many judgements and it helps to keep track of them.

Somebody please inform @HeIsHere and the RT crew that the sheep and goats judgement has never happened. And will only happen post-rapture post-redemption of the Nation Israel post-Second Coming.

And this FUTURE judgement pertains to all NATIONS. The righteous SHEEP NATIONS inherit the KINGDOM.

Mat 25:32 - And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Mat 25:34 - Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

YES, this sequence of judgements has "futurist dispensationalist" written all over it. And undoubtedly they have yet to come to pass.

IMO, no sane rational honest heart and mind would think otherwise. Which then defines those who choose to deny defy and remain contrary.

 

[cv5]

Once again, the difference between your view and my view is that I view everything as BOTH literal and spiritual because I have taken ALL of the Bible into consideration and not just the New Testament like you do. When Jesus said that He would fulfill ALL THAT WAS WRITTEN in Luke 24:44, it didn't override the UNCONDITIONAL Covenants that God/Jesus made with His original people.

The New Testament tells us that Jesus performed so many miracles that the Disciples couldn't even write about all of them because the books would be too high. You don't think miracles are going to happen in God/Jesus' Millennial Kingdom?

Why do I believe in a restored Levitical system? Because the Bible talks about the restoration of all things and it shows that everyone who's living on the earth will be going up to practice the feast of Tabernacles. And I do believe that feast days and the timing of the fulfilling of prophecy is related, but that's for another topic thread. I would be willing to accept it as symbolic, if it didn't include all of the day, night, moon to moon, year to year language. This is either going on during the current earth or the new earth, which you've never gone into detail about and it might be helpful here to hear your thoughts and views on how the old heavens and earth and the new heavens and earth are different, if the new one is combined, or if they are kept separate for a time, before the Heaven comes down to earth.

As for the terrain transformation, God can transform the terrain any way He wishes. It might even be on the "new earth".

It's time for you to give your thoughts and opinions on the earthly vs heavenly differences that you keep refusing to address in any of the previous questions I've posed to you.

Somebody tell @OMC that God thru Moses brought water out of rocks ROFL.

Oh, and manna from heaven too. And also the shoes and clothes of the Israelites did not wear out.

Deuteronomy 8:4: Moses reminds the Israelites, "Your clothing did not wear out on you, nor did your foot swell these forty years."

Deuteronomy 29:5: God states directly to the people, "I have led you forty years in the wilderness; your clothes have not worn out upon you, and your sandals have not worn off your feet."

Nehemiah 9:21: During a post-exilic prayer recounting God's faithfulness, the Levites state, "Forty years You sustained them in the wilderness so that they lacked nothing; their clothing did not wear out nor did their feet swell."

A little friendly advice: Never trust a RT hack who denies God's power and providence.

 

[Revelation1v8]

Somebody tell @OMC that God thru Moses brought water out of rocks ROFL.

Oh, and manna from heaven too. And also the shoes and clothes of the Israelites did not wear out.

Deuteronomy 8:4: Moses reminds the Israelites, "Your clothing did not wear out on you, nor did your foot swell these forty years."

Deuteronomy 29:5: God states directly to the people, "I have led you forty years in the wilderness; your clothes have not worn out upon you, and your sandals have not worn off your feet."

Nehemiah 9:21: During a post-exilic prayer recounting God's faithfulness, the Levites state, "Forty years You sustained them in the wilderness so that they lacked nothing; their clothing did not wear out nor did their feet swell."

A little friendly advice: Never trust a RT hack who denies God's power and providence.

Yes, 1 Corinthians 10:1-4 is more proof of that.

10 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

 

[Beekeeper]

Here's the thing. There's nothing written in Hebrews 13:14 or Hebrews 11:13 that says that while they don't have a "CONTINUING city", on earth but they seek one to come, doesn't mean that they won't have them both at a later date. We know that the permanent city comes down from Heaven, so at some point they merge, but we shouldn't look at that as if God/Jesus only intended for it to be only a heavenly one. I've been pondering what exactly the definition of the new heaven and the new earth are. The way it is written shows them as separate. Does the Millennial Kingdom happen on the new earth before the New Jerusalem descends down from Heaven to join it? That's an idea that's been thrown out to me that I keep trying to work out.

Heavenly Jerusalem does not "join" earthly Jerusalem.
Earthly Jerusalem if it exists at the time is burned up with the old world.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

The view that Jesus will be on earth before this event is very strange.
Where does Jesus "come as a thief in the night" from?
Does He just one day come to the realization that He had been watching millions of blasphemous animal sacrifices and has had enough?

The only earthly Jerusalem we read about in the Bible is under the law of Moses.
In the time of the book of Hebrews it was still there under the enemies of Jesus, but it represented only the curses for breaking the law of Moses (Galatians 4:21-31).
The Hebrew Christians embraced the new covenant and recognized it as the fulfillment of Jeremiah 31 (Hebrews 8:8-13).
They did not strive to preserve their Hebrew bloodline, but married freely with Christians of other nations.
What would they be doing in a millennial Israel?

The other problem is that now that the law of Moses is fulfilled in Christ, which covenant does both modern and millennial Israel fit under?
Neither of them fit under the new covenant, because the new covenant is eternal and they are not.

 

[Revelation1v8]

Heavenly Jerusalem does not "join" earthly Jerusalem.
Earthly Jerusalem if it exists at the time is burned up with the old world.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

The view that Jesus will be on earth before this event is very strange.
Where does Jesus "come as a thief in the night" from?
Does He just one day come to the realization that He had been watching millions of blasphemous animal sacrifices and has had enough?

The only earthly Jerusalem we read about in the Bible is under the law of Moses.
In the time of the book of Hebrews it was still there under the enemies of Jesus, but it represented only the curses for breaking the law of Moses (Galatians 4:21-31).
The Hebrew Christians embraced the new covenant and recognized it as the fulfillment of Jeremiah 31 (Hebrews 8:8-13).
They did not strive to preserve their Hebrew bloodline, but married freely with Christians of other nations.
What would they be doing in a millennial Israel?

The other problem is that now that the law of Moses is fulfilled in Christ, which covenant does both modern and millennial Israel fit under?
Neither of them fit under the new covenant, because the new covenant is eternal and they are not.

If heavenly and earthly Jerusalem don't join at some point, what's the point of creating "a new heaven AND a new earth"? If there wasn't something to the earth, it would just tell us that after Jesus returns and all are judged that He would just bring down the "new heaven", but that's not what it says.

I don't think people realize that more than one event can be explained in the same chapter and in some cases, the same verse. I'll use Revelation 7:15 as an example.

Revelation 7:15 - Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

There is no temple, day, or night in heaven. This is going on in the earth. The question that remains is whether it's the current earth or the new earth in Revelation 21. The return of Jesus as being like a thief in the night has always referred to those who are not watching. According to Revelation 20, the first resurrection happens for believers so they can "live and reign with Christ for 1,000 years while Satan sits in the Abyss until he is released for a short while again. AFTERWARDS we have Satan thrown into the Lake of Fire and the Great White Throne Judgement for all the people. The passing of the current heaven and earth must not take place until all of this is done, because then we see Revelation 21 open up to show the new heaven and the new earth.

While Paul's mention of Jeremiah 31 refers to the New Covenant for Gentiles, the Bible tells us that God/Jesus makes a New Covenant with the House of Israel and Judah too in those same verses. It doesn't mean that they all have to happen at the same time. Romans 11 tells us that a remnant of Israel will be grafted back into the Olive Tree and this is where God either makes a completely New Covenant for them or they are just grafted back in to join the New Covenant with the rest of us.

The Abrahamic & Davidic Covenants are unconditional and eternal. Why God/Jesus allows the Mosaic covenant to return may be for reasons that we are not aware of. I think I read something that spelled that out more clearly in the Bible, but I don't remember. I'll have to search it out again and get back to you.

 

[cv5]

Heavenly Jerusalem does not "join" earthly Jerusalem.
Earthly Jerusalem if it exists at the time is burned up with the old world.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

The view that Jesus will be on earth before this event is very strange.
Where does Jesus "come as a thief in the night" from?
Does He just one day come to the realization that He had been watching millions of blasphemous animal sacrifices and has had enough?

The only earthly Jerusalem we read about in the Bible is under the law of Moses.
In the time of the book of Hebrews it was still there under the enemies of Jesus, but it represented only the curses for breaking the law of Moses (Galatians 4:21-31).
The Hebrew Christians embraced the new covenant and recognized it as the fulfillment of Jeremiah 31 (Hebrews 8:8-13).
They did not strive to preserve their Hebrew bloodline, but married freely with Christians of other nations.
What would they be doing in a millennial Israel?

The other problem is that now that the law of Moses is fulfilled in Christ, which covenant does both modern and millennial Israel fit under?
Neither of them fit under the new covenant, because the new covenant is eternal and they are not.

"The other problem is that now that the law of Moses is fulfilled in Christ, which covenant does both modern and millennial Israel fit under?"

PLEASE tell us that you are kidding.....

Jer 31:31 - Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Futurist dispensationalists batting 1000 as usual.

 

[Aaron56]

This thread is interesting reading. The response from some cements my vision of a prostitute, religious system whose familiar with the tricks of the trade: being used by governmental powers as "spiritual" proxies to shore up an appearance of godliness, but mostly for votes. Already, these people consent to the militaristic killing of people and the destruction of their homes as long as the outcome aligns with the logical reading of certain prophecies (and what preachers like John Hagee say).

With that, I was reminded of a certain passage in Zechariah which reads

"For I have bent Judah, My bow,
Fitted the bow with Ephraim,
And raised up your sons, O Zion,
Against your sons, O Greece,
And made you like the sword of a mighty man.”

These sons of Zion, of course, represent the mountain of the Lord's House: a spiritual enclave of those in Christ; the city of New Jerusalem built with the living stones of the saints.

The sons of Greece, however, are those who leverage the highest expression of logic to craft their own ways and secure their own lives - employing flowcharts that always point back to their biases and prejudices. Thinking themselves the guardians of "better times" they employ violence to ensure their own survival - praising God that they are "not like them" who live outside of the national boarders they accept - xenophobic to their core, to the exclusion of the orphans... especially the orphans. Hearts of stone, they praise the bombing of villages and use the logical interpretation of certain scriptures to insulate their consciences - calling murder "justice".

 

[OMC]

Once again, the difference between your view and my view is that I view everything as BOTH literal and spiritual because I have taken ALL of the Bible into consideration and not just the New Testament like you do. When Jesus said that He would fulfill ALL THAT WAS WRITTEN in Luke 24:44, it didn't override the UNCONDITIONAL Covenants that God/Jesus made with His original people.

The New Testament tells us that Jesus performed so many miracles that the Disciples couldn't even write about all of them because the books would be too high. You don't think miracles are going to happen in God/Jesus' Millennial Kingdom?

Why do I believe in a restored Levitical system? Because the Bible talks about the restoration of all things and it shows that everyone who's living on the earth will be going up to practice the feast of Tabernacles. And I do believe that feast days and the timing of the fulfilling of prophecy is related, but that's for another topic thread. I would be willing to accept it as symbolic, if it didn't include all of the day, night, moon to moon, year to year language. This is either going on during the current earth or the new earth, which you've never gone into detail about and it might be helpful here to hear your thoughts and views on how the old heavens and earth and the new heavens and earth are different, if the new one is combined, or if they are kept separate for a time, before the Heaven comes down to earth.

As for the terrain transformation, God can transform the terrain any way He wishes. It might even be on the "new earth".

It's time for you to give your thoughts and opinions on the earthly vs heavenly differences that you keep refusing to address in any of the previous questions I've posed to you.

I’ve answered you many times, yet you keep saying I don’t study the OT, which is an insult, and I’m done playing this game. Your system isn’t scripturally accurate, and I have no more energy to waste on this.

 

[Revelation1v8]

I’ve answered you many times, yet you keep saying I don’t study the OT, which is an insult, and I’m done playing this game. Your system isn’t scripturally accurate, and I have no more energy to waste on this.

I'll take that as an excuse for not giving your definition of the new heaven and the new earth and how each will function. You talk "restoration on the earth" but then you immediately turn around and say it never happens, so I'll just accept that as a "I just don't know", which is fine.

 

[cv5]

This thread is interesting reading. The response from some cements my vision of a prostitute, religious system whose familiar with the tricks of the trade: being used by governmental powers as "spiritual" proxies to shore up an appearance of godliness, but mostly for votes. Already, these people consent to the militaristic killing of people and the destruction of their homes as long as the outcome aligns with the logical reading of certain prophecies (and what preachers like John Hagee say).

With that, I was reminded of a certain passage in Zechariah which reads

"For I have bent Judah, My bow,
Fitted the bow with Ephraim,
And raised up your sons, O Zion,
Against your sons, O Greece,
And made you like the sword of a mighty man.”

These sons of Zion, of course, represent the mountain of the Lord's House: a spiritual enclave of those in Christ; the city of New Jerusalem built with the living stones of the saints.

The sons of Greece, however, are those who leverage the highest expression of logic to craft their own ways and secure their own lives - employing flowcharts that always point back to their biases and prejudices. Thinking themselves the guardians of "better times" they employ violence to ensure their own survival - praising God that they are "not like them" who live outside of the national boarders they accept - xenophobic to their core, to the exclusion of the orphans... especially the orphans. Hearts of stone, they praise the bombing of villages and use the logical interpretation of certain scriptures to insulate their consciences - calling murder "justice".

So what is your point exactly? Whaa waaa waaaa for poor Gomer?
No, but rather Gomer will be redeemed, certainly and inevitably.
And YES, the Greater Joseph has undying love for His brethren and will deliver them.
Exactly on time and exactly as specified by the prophets.

Jer 31:31 - Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

BTW, any post chock full of a miasma of unintelligible spiritual sounding gibberish is not worth reading.

 

[Cameron143]

This could get fun.

 

[NightTwister]

This could get fun.

 

[Aaron56]

I'm fun at parties.

 

[Cameron143]

I'm fun at parties.

Maybe at a Tupperware party.

 

[God-fearing]

Somebody tell @OMC that God thru Moses brought water out of rocks ROFL.

Oh, and manna from heaven too. And also the shoes and clothes of the Israelites did not wear out.

Deuteronomy 8:4: Moses reminds the Israelites, "Your clothing did not wear out on you, nor did your foot swell these forty years."

Deuteronomy 29:5: God states directly to the people, "I have led you forty years in the wilderness; your clothes have not worn out upon you, and your sandals have not worn off your feet."

Nehemiah 9:21: During a post-exilic prayer recounting God's faithfulness, the Levites state, "Forty years You sustained them in the wilderness so that they lacked nothing; their clothing did not wear out nor did their feet swell."

A little friendly advice: Never trust a RT hack who denies God's power and providence.

Oh and let's not forget how many tons of food it took to feed that flock.