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When our Savior returns on the clouds those who sleep in the hope of Him will betaken up to meet Him first followed immediately by all who yet are alive. This,s, I suppose, is the resurrections, all will be transformed in body I believe.
The rapture spoken of a lot in movies are is not mentioned in the Word as it has been depicted by many. If the reunion is as described in the Word, it cannot be as depicted by Hollywood. It is plainly written in the Book.
The rapture spoken of a lot in movies are is not mentioned in the Word as it has been depicted by many. If the reunion is as described in the Word, it cannot be as depicted by Hollywood. It is plainly written in the Book.
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I understand and agree ….I just don’t see it in the verse.
The rapture is never referenced as the resurrection…. because not everybody will be dead…
Being caught up (harpazō)…. The gathering together unto him … the day of redemption ….our glorious hope…. the coming of our Lord Jesus………...are a few of the things it’s called. And there is no reference in the gospels (or OT) of the mystery…. as it was hidden in God …of which the rapture is part of that.
The rapture is never referenced as the resurrection…. because not everybody will be dead…
Being caught up (harpazō)…. The gathering together unto him … the day of redemption ….our glorious hope…. the coming of our Lord Jesus………...are a few of the things it’s called. And there is no reference in the gospels (or OT) of the mystery…. as it was hidden in God …of which the rapture is part of that.
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What is missing here is the promise to abraham.....which yes applies to us born again gentiles.
In fact this is why the rapture must take place imo.
When the destruction of sodom was to take place lot and his family were rescued out of sodom by devine intervention.
Sodom was a single country and only sodom was under judgement so there were other lands to escape to.
The plea of abraham " would you judge the rightous with the wicked" Gods answer was no. Lot and his family rescued.
The angles or messagers if you will said that they could not do the Lords will until they removed lot and his family.
The book of revelation talks about a world wide judgement. Where is there to escape. The rocks? The mountains? There is no escape.
The story of lot is 2 fold. It shows israel being taken to the place of refuge outside the city but also a devine inter vention of escape by Gods hand.
Jesus said when you see these signs and wonders look up for your redemption draws near. This is to israel.
Jesus said I come as a thief in the night no man knows the hour so be ready. This is to the gentiles and all those who are in Christ Jesus.
The church is the church.....Israel is Israel. Christ is the groom of the church. God is the husband of Israel.
The story of abraham is a father looking for a bride for his son (in short).
Our faith, grace, salvation, redemption, hope, peace, ect are all found in Christ Jesus.
Israel will be redeemed. We have already been redeemed by the blood of Christ.
So where and how are we to escape the wrath to come since we are not appointed to wrath? Selah.
Yes God can keep the born again beleivers out of harms way as his fury is found on earth but in order to keep his word to abraham he has a better plan.
In fact this is why the rapture must take place imo.
When the destruction of sodom was to take place lot and his family were rescued out of sodom by devine intervention.
Sodom was a single country and only sodom was under judgement so there were other lands to escape to.
The plea of abraham " would you judge the rightous with the wicked" Gods answer was no. Lot and his family rescued.
The angles or messagers if you will said that they could not do the Lords will until they removed lot and his family.
The book of revelation talks about a world wide judgement. Where is there to escape. The rocks? The mountains? There is no escape.
The story of lot is 2 fold. It shows israel being taken to the place of refuge outside the city but also a devine inter vention of escape by Gods hand.
Jesus said when you see these signs and wonders look up for your redemption draws near. This is to israel.
Jesus said I come as a thief in the night no man knows the hour so be ready. This is to the gentiles and all those who are in Christ Jesus.
The church is the church.....Israel is Israel. Christ is the groom of the church. God is the husband of Israel.
The story of abraham is a father looking for a bride for his son (in short).
Our faith, grace, salvation, redemption, hope, peace, ect are all found in Christ Jesus.
Israel will be redeemed. We have already been redeemed by the blood of Christ.
So where and how are we to escape the wrath to come since we are not appointed to wrath? Selah.
Yes God can keep the born again beleivers out of harms way as his fury is found on earth but in order to keep his word to abraham he has a better plan.
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Isaiah 54:5-9 For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.
For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.
For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.
In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer.
For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.
For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.
For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.
In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer.
For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.
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Paul says in 1Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Now let's make some sense out of this, Verse 15, this is talking about the dead and those who are still alive and both are coming back with Jesus to meet him in the clouds. So if it was a rapture, it wouldn’t make sense at this point, for one the great tribulation is over, second, the dead is being raise also with those that are alive, which is now called the first resurrection. Verse 16. The Lord is descending which means coming down from the Third Heaven, the voice of archangel and trumpet are sound, and then the dead in Christ shall rise first. Which also means that there will arise the dead again at another time, and what’s the point of rapture at this point anyway…the dead is coming back and the great tribulation is over. Heres the good parts (Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump). Let's take a look at that trump that is sounded....1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. Now we see how all this verses and scriptures connection with each other. Last Verse 17.
Now we will meet the Lord in the clouds, those that are dead in Christ and those who are still alive and made it out the great tribulation or out of the place of safety (wilderness). Let's go into 1Thessalonians 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
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The rapture is never mentioned in the Gospels because it cannot occur before the Resurrection of the Dead in Christ.
Thus His Announcement that the LIFE of GOD has come for HE is the Resurrection.
When the Gospel is preached in all the world - then HIS Second Coming and the Resurrection of His Saints/Elect/Church.
The OT Prophets and Christ Himself would never speak of a "rapture" because it is subordinate to the Resurrection which is the TRIUMPH of GOD over Death for ALL who died in Christ.
There will be a rapture AFTER the Resurrection of the dead in Christ for only one reason.
According to scripture - do you know that reason?
The rapture is never mentioned in the Gospels because it cannot occur before the Resurrection of the Dead in Christ.
Thus His Announcement that the LIFE of GOD has come for HE is the Resurrection.
When the Gospel is preached in all the world - then HIS Second Coming and the Resurrection of His Saints/Elect/Church.
The OT Prophets and Christ Himself would never speak of a "rapture" because it is subordinate to the Resurrection which is the TRIUMPH of GOD over Death for ALL who died in Christ.
There will be a rapture AFTER the Resurrection of the dead in Christ for only one reason.
According to scripture - do you know that reason?
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You said: "Now let's make some sense out of this, Verse 15, this is talking about the dead and those who are still alive and both are coming back with Jesus to meet him in the clouds."
Maybe a typo because NO WHERE does verse 15 say that those alive are coming back with Christ.
Verse 14 : them also which sleep/died in Jesus will God bring with him.
verse 15 : For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord
shall not prevent them which are asleep
verse 16: The Lord is descending which means coming down from the Third Heaven, the voice of archangel and trumpet are sound, and the dead in Christ shall rise first.
verse 17: AFTER that, we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Maybe a typo because NO WHERE does verse 15 say that those alive are coming back with Christ.
Verse 14 : them also which sleep/died in Jesus will God bring with him.
verse 15 : For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord
shall not prevent them which are asleep
verse 16: The Lord is descending which means coming down from the Third Heaven, the voice of archangel and trumpet are sound, and the dead in Christ shall rise first.
verse 17: AFTER that, we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
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Yes, I agree with others. The Rapture is not only Post-Tribulation, but also Post-Resurrection. It's not a Secret Rapture either, but one accompanied by a Loud Trumpet from the Arch-Angel.
1 Thess 4:
"13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep [means those who have fallen asleep will Resurrect before the Rapture]. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words."
The sequence is very clear:
1) The Lord Returns: The Second Coming
2) The Last Trumpet: The Angel's Call.
3) The Dead in Christ will Rise First.
Only after these 3 events, on the Last Day, at the Second Coming, after the LOUD Trumpet of the Arch-Angel, the Rapture happens.
God Bless.
1 Thess 4:
"13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep [means those who have fallen asleep will Resurrect before the Rapture]. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words."
The sequence is very clear:
1) The Lord Returns: The Second Coming
2) The Last Trumpet: The Angel's Call.
3) The Dead in Christ will Rise First.
Only after these 3 events, on the Last Day, at the Second Coming, after the LOUD Trumpet of the Arch-Angel, the Rapture happens.
God Bless.
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TRUTH = 1 Corinthians 15:51
Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet.
For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Notice how, AGAIN, the Authority of the HOLY SPIRIT speaking thru the Apostle Paul places the Resurrection of the Dead in Christ BEFORE the rapture.
At the LAST TRUMP
the Dead will Rise
He is Coming Soon
So Open your Eyes
You will See the Dead Rise
right before your very Eyes
No rapture will ever preceed
the Dead in Christ
who FIRST will HEED
Now listen again
to what i say
the Word is Truth
there will be no delay
Place not your trust
in some pre-trib bust
maker sure you Hear
Him who draws Near
Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet.
For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Notice how, AGAIN, the Authority of the HOLY SPIRIT speaking thru the Apostle Paul places the Resurrection of the Dead in Christ BEFORE the rapture.
At the LAST TRUMP
the Dead will Rise
He is Coming Soon
So Open your Eyes
You will See the Dead Rise
right before your very Eyes
No rapture will ever preceed
the Dead in Christ
who FIRST will HEED
Now listen again
to what i say
the Word is Truth
there will be no delay
Place not your trust
in some pre-trib bust
maker sure you Hear
Him who draws Near
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