Revelation 20:1-6, No Physical Kingdom Or Humans On This Earth Are Seen?

Truth7t7 · May 19, 2020

Revelation 20:1-6, No Physical Kingdom Or Humans On This Earth Are Seen?

No Physical Kingdom or Human's on This Earth, are seen in Revelation 20:1-6 Below As Many Claim.

That seen below, is in the Lords "Spiritual Realm" 100%

Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ,100% Spiritual Realm!

Revelation 20:1-6 (AKJV)
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 and cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

tourist · May 19, 2020

This passage you provided supports a physical 1000 year millennium of the reign of Jesus and His saints on earth.

When Jesus rose from the dead He was both physical and spiritual. In Genesis it states in Genesis 1:26 "Let us make man in our own image and likeness" so those in the first resurrection are both physical (image) and spiritual (likeness).

If the 1000 years were purely spiritual there would be no nations for Satan to deceive for nations are very much physical, that is why he is bound for the entire interim.

In Zechariah 14 it describes what happens when Jesus returns, sets His feet on the Mount of Olives and splitting it into two, creating a valley for those there to escape. The whole chapter relates to physical events that happen when Jesus returns.

Truth7t7 · May 19, 2020

tourist said:

As the OP clearly shows, there is no human or kingdom on "This Earth" seen in Revelation 20:1-6, None

Zechariah 14 is the "Eternal Kingdom" eternal light, river of life

I have started an OP on Zechariah 14, see you there

tourist · May 19, 2020

Truth7t7 said:

Perhaps I will pop in for a post or two.

John146 · May 19, 2020

Truth7t7 said:

Revelation 20:1-6, No Physical Kingdom Or Humans On This Earth Are Seen?

No Physical Kingdom or Human's on This Earth, are seen in Revelation 20:1-6 Below As Many Claim.

That seen below, is in the Lords "Spiritual Realm" 100%

Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ,100% Spiritual Realm!

Revelation 20:1-6 (AKJV)
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 and cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

why limit this thought to six verse?

tourist · May 19, 2020

John146 said:

Perhaps, and this is just a thought mind you, in the eyes of God six verses are like six thousand verses and six thousand verses as six verses. There is also a saying that a picture is worth a 1000 words, not sure if that is scriptural though or how that even applies to this hypothesis.

Truth7t7 · May 19, 2020

John146 said:

This is the only place where "Thousand Years" is found, to falsely claim a physical kingdom on this earth with mortal humans present.

Sipsey · May 19, 2020

Truth7t7 said:

I’m afraid you have failed in your due diligence to properly search for the term “thousand years,” it is used several times in the OT & NT.

John146 · May 19, 2020

Truth7t7 said:

yes, but you must take into consideration the chapters leading up to 20.

wolfwint · May 19, 2020

Truth7t7 said:

Revelation 20:1-6, No Physical Kingdom Or Humans On This Earth Are Seen?

No Physical Kingdom or Human's on This Earth, are seen in Revelation 20:1-6 Below As Many Claim.

That seen below, is in the Lords "Spiritual Realm" 100%

Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ,100% Spiritual Realm!

Revelation 20:1-6 (AKJV)
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 and cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Who are then the nations in vers 3?
But why you hold at this 6 verses? Should we not read the whole bible? Do you Think the jews expecting a Spiritual 1000 years of peace?

wolfwint · May 19, 2020

Truth7t7 said:

Then you must overread revealation 20,3. Nations are build out of humans, so far I know.

Truth7t7 · May 19, 2020

John146 said:

John I have studied the issue of Millennialism for decades, there will be no future 1,000 year kingdom in this earth, found no place in the Holy bible

Truth7t7 · May 19, 2020

wolfwint said:

The only thing related to the physical realm of earth us the word "Nations" and Satan is "Currently" bound and sealed from this specific purpose alone.

"Satan is Currently bound by the 6th vial being poured out, and from "Deceiving The Nations To Battle"

As Revelation 20:7-9 clearly shows Satan being loosed into this earth realm at the end of the future 3.5 year tribulation, to gather the nations to battle.

Revelation 20:7-9KJV
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

The 6th vial seen below "currently" has Satan bound, when its poured out, Satan will be loosed from his prison to "Deceive the Nations To Battle" also as seen in Revelation 20:7-8

Revelation 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

wolfwint · May 20, 2020

Truth7t7 said:

The only thing related to the physical realm of earth us the word "Nations" and Satan is "Currently" bound and sealed from this specific purpose alone.

"Satan is Currently bound by the 6th vial being poured out, and from "Deceiving The Nations To Battle"

As Revelation 20:7-9 clearly shows Satan being loosed into this earth realm at the end of the future 3.5 year tribulation, to gather the nations to battle.

Revelation 20:7-9KJV
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

The 6th vial seen below "currently" has Satan bound, when its poured out, Satan will be loosed from his prison to "Deceive the Nations To Battle" also as seen in Revelation 20:7-8

Revelation 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

So how then you come to the conclusion that the 1000 years are spirituell? And Nations are Humans. Why you say there is no evident of humans?

Truth7t7 · May 20, 2020

wolfwint said:

Once again Rev 20:3 is referencing Nations seen in Rev 20:8 in the earthly realm, the Nations referenced are seen when Satan is released into this earthly realm.

Once again no kingdom or mortal humans are seen in Revelation 20:1-6, 100% the Lord's spiritual realm.

Revelation 20:1-6 (AKJV)
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 and cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

wolfwint · May 20, 2020

Truth7t7 said:

Once again Rev 20:3 is referencing Nations seen in Rev 20:8 in the earthly realm, the Nations referenced are seen when Satan is released into this earthly realm.

Once again no kingdom or mortal humans are seen in Revelation 20:1-6, 100% the Lord's spiritual realm.

Revelation 20:1-6 (AKJV)
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 and cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

So who are then the nations? They are the same like in vers 8. Humans. And you know that the NT was written without chapter and verses?

TheDivineWatermark · May 20, 2020

Rev20:4 -

G2198 - "and they lived" - ezēsan

Rev20:5 -

G2198 - "[(re: the rest of the dead) not] they lived" - ezēsan

Rev2:8 -

G2198 - "[(re: Jesus) who became dead and] did live [/lived]" - ezēsen

Rev6:9-11 (note the distinctions in this passage, from those of the above-mentioned):

"9 And when He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those having been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had upheld. 10 And they were crying in a loud voice, saying, “Until when, O Lord, holy and true, do You not judge and avenge our blood from those dwelling upon the earth?”

11 And to each of them were given white robes, and it was said to them that they shall rest yet a little time, until their fellow servants would also be complete, and their brothers, those being about to be killed as they also had been.

Consider:

--in Rev2:8 (re: Jesus), "became dead" is contrasted with "and lived [G2198]"

--in the same way, Rev20:4's "and they lived G2198 [and reigned]" is contrasted with Rev20:5's "not they did live G2198 UNTIL"

--in the Rev6:9-11 passage (re: the fifth seal martyrs), nowhere does it say of "the souls" referred to here that "they lived [G2198]" (why do you suppose that is??), though it does say they had been "killed" (i.e. put to death [i.e. they had DIED]); but, in fact, it says that it was said to them "REST [G373 - rest / repose / be exempt] YET A LITTLE WHILE, UNTIL..."... nothing here about their "reigning" with Him upon their death, but rather "REST YET A LITTLE WHILE, UNTIL the full number... should be killed as they also had been." See the distinction?

In other passages, "souls" speaks of "persons [but ones not being without a body]":

[consider this post I made some time back; quoting...]

...and the word "souls" is used in the following verses, of persons, where the verses are not suggesting that the bodies of these folks were "on holiday" while the "souls" of these persons were all that these contexts held/describe/were concerned with:

--"Therefore those indeed having received his word were baptized, and on that day about three thousand souls were added." Acts 2:41 [does this mean that "souls were added" to these somewhat-lacking bodies they already possessed, like prepping ingredients to a cake mix??]

--"And Joseph, having sent, called for his father Jacob and all the kindred, seventy-five souls in all." Acts 7:14 [did Joseph say, "don't bother bringing your bodies along, I only have need of your 'souls'. Your bods can chill out!"]

--"And we were altogether two hundred seventy-six souls in the ship." Acts 27:37 [had all the bodies decided to jump ship and do some deep-sea diving for awhile, while the 'souls' were sunning on the deck of the ship?]

--"at one time having disobeyed, when the longsuffering of God was waiting in the days of Noah, of the ark being prepared, in which a few--that is, eight souls--were saved through water" 1 Peter 3:20 [was it that the 'souls' were actually dragged through the water while the bodies resided high and dry on the ark, or was it vice versa, do you think?]

I believe that the word "thrones" gives us a major clue, as to whether these persons exist only in their "souls" (in this context), or whether this word actually means "persons" [who "lived again" G2198 https://biblehub.com/text/revelation/20-4.htm (like it says of Jesus in Rev2:8)], just as all of the above-mentioned verses prove to refer to whole persons (though not "resurrected" ones, in those particular contexts, except for Rev2:8, as I said).

[end quoting that post]

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No, Jesus (during His earthly ministry) spoke of [what we call] the earthly Millennial Kingdom PLENTY...

TheDivineWatermark · May 20, 2020

Consider also another post I had made some time back:

[quoting an excerpt from old post]

... how many times does the word "years" (used with any given number, in connection with it, in Scripture) not mean "[that many] years"? ["______ years"]

And since the passage in Revelation [re: the stated years] ALSO correlates precisely with what Isaiah 24:21-22[23] says (regarding the sequential issues, in the TWO "PUNISH" words separated [TIME-WISE] from each other by a TIME PERIOD, and the FIRST of these TWO "PUNISH" words aligns with the events of Rev19:19,21/16:14-16/20:5 [at the time of His Second Coming to the earth], that is FOLLOWED by a TIME-PERIOD [even in BOTH passages]), there is more to look at than merely this one passage in Rev20.

(To add to that, Daniel 7:25,27 supplies the same time-period leading UP TO His Second Coming to the earth, and says that what FOLLOWS that specific limited time period [in v.25] is: "the greatness of the kingdom UNDER the whole heaven" v.27 [not UP IN Heaven]; so there is quite a number of other passages that correlate snugly with what Rev20 is giving as further information [i.e. revelation / a revealing])

[end quoting that post]

Dave-L · May 20, 2020

tourist said:

This passage you provided supports a physical 1000 year millennium of the reign of Jesus and His saints on earth.

When Jesus rose from the dead He was both physical and spiritual. In Genesis it states in Genesis 1:26 "Let us make man in our own image and likeness" so those in the first resurrection are both physical (image) and spiritual (likeness).

If the 1000 years were purely spiritual there would be no nations for Satan to deceive for nations are very much physical, that is why he is bound for the entire interim.

In Zechariah 14 it describes what happens when Jesus returns, sets His feet on the Mount of Olives and splitting it into two, creating a valley for those there to escape. The whole chapter relates to physical events that happen when Jesus returns.

The 1000 years are the binding of Satan from deceiving the nations. They are not the kingdom. Satan attacks the kingdom when the 1000 years end.

Truth7t7 · May 20, 2020

Dave-L said:

I agree 100%

"Thousand Years" is a non-literal figure of speech, explaining the Lord's spiritual realm of no physical earthly time.

Satan us "currently bound" from one specific purpose "Deceiving The Nations To Battle"

The 6th vial in Revelation 16:12 has Satan currently bound, when it is poured out he will be loosed.

Revelation 20:7-8 & Revelation 16:12-13 same event in parallel teachings.

Revelation 20:1-6, No Physical Kingdom Or Humans On This Earth Are Seen?

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