Revolution in Iran

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Let’s not drown ourselves in Biblical verses. I agree with you regarding Israel. My point is that the American electorate doesn’t have the patience to wait this battle out. Soon as the prices of gas skyrocket, Iran will get their way.

To get rid of the Iranian terrorists we will need boots on the ground. Question is if Trump is willing to finish what has to be done.

That would be the end of America. There's no way they have the manpower resources to pull that off, and if they institute a draft America will be torn apart worse than in the '60s
 
  • Like
Reactions: Charlesiii
Eze 38:14
Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?

Eze 38:8
After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

Eze 38:17
Thus saith the Lord GOD; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them?

Eze 39:1
Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:


Eze 39:4
Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.

Eze 39:7
So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.

Eze 39:22
So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

Drowning in verses? I am barely getting my toes wet.

"In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?"

God clearly tells us in the book of Revelation when Gog and Magog happens, but the followers of the teachings of the pharisees are unable to believe what God says because those teachings are based on unbelief.

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. Revelation 20:7-8
 
  • Like
Reactions: Charlesiii
God clearly tells us in the book of Revelation when Gog and Magog happens, but the followers of the teachings of the pharisees are unable to believe what God says because those teachings are based on unbelief.

And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. Revelation 20:7-8
Nope. Wrong again, these are clearly two separate events.
The LATTER has Satan chained for 1000 years, then released to deceive all the nations of the earth.

The irrefutable fact that Rev 20 is a latter event is as follows:
1) The EARLIER defeat of the beast and false prophet BY King Messiah has already occurred 1000 years prior.
2) And the Second Coming FOR Israel is by then a fait accompli. Jesus is and has been ruling from His throne in Jerusalem while His people Israel have by now already been REDEEMED, have WILLINGLY entered into the New Covenant, and are fulfilling their ORIGINAL MANDATE to be Gods instrument to broadcast His message of salvation to the gentile world.
3) Jesus has already PERSONALLY dealt with the beast and false prophet and their armies.
At this event, Gog and Magog are simply consumed by a devouring fire come down from heaven.

Rev 20:7
Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison

Rev 20:8
and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea.

Rev 20:9
They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.

Rev 20:10
The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
 
  • Like
Reactions: LTTexan
The irrefutable fact that Rev 20 is a latter event is as follows:
1) The EARLIER defeat of the beast and false prophet BY King Messiah has already occurred 1000 years prior.
2) And the Second Coming FOR Israel is by then a fait accompli. Jesus is and has been ruling from His throne in Jerusalem while His people Israel have by now already been REDEEMED, have WILLINGLY entered into the New Covenant, and are fulfilling their ORIGINAL MANDATE to be Gods instrument to broadcast His message of salvation to the gentile world.
3) Jesus has already PERSONALLY dealt with the beast and false prophet and their armies.
At this event, Gog and Magog are simply consumed by a devouring fire come down from heaven.

Claims there is irrefutable evidence, then provides unsubstantiated rationalizations of unbelief
 
  • Like
Reactions: Charlesiii
This is completely unbiblical. At no time did God ever use a foreign power to protect Israel
Topically, Cyrus the Great would disagree.

Isaiah 44:24-28

24Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

25That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish;

26That confirmeth the word of his servant, and performeth the counsel of his messengers; that saith to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be inhabited; and to the cities of Judah, Ye shall be built, and I will raise up the decayed places thereof:

27hat saith to the deep, Be dry, and I will dry up thy rivers:

28That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid.
 
Topically, Cyrus the Great would disagree.

Isaiah 44:24-28

24Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

25That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish;

26That confirmeth the word of his servant, and performeth the counsel of his messengers; that saith to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be inhabited; and to the cities of Judah, Ye shall be built, and I will raise up the decayed places thereof:

27hat saith to the deep, Be dry, and I will dry up thy rivers:

28That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid.

Cyrus didn't do anything except give the Judean exiles what the Babylonians had plundered from the temple along with some money to rebuild the temple, and allowed them to leave and go back to the land of Judea. That was it
 
  • Like
Reactions: Charlesiii
Cyrus didn't do anything except give the Judean exiles what the Babylonians had plundered from the temple along with some money to rebuild the temple, and allowed them to leave and go back to the land of Judea. That was it
Well you said specifically that God has never used a foreign power, even if you find ancient Achaemenid Persia's support for Israel in returning to their rightful land and rebuilding the temple to be lackluster, still proves God can and has used such a figure like Cyrus the Great the king of Achaemenid Persia to accomplish these things. Indeed confirmed hundreds of years after Isaiah lived in the books of Ezra and Nehemiah. So it is no good to cast one's lot with Sanballat of our lifetime. Come over to our side, praise Jesus.
 
  • Like
Reactions: LTTexan and cv5
Well you said specifically that God has never used a foreign power

I said specially that God has never used a foreign power to protect Israel. In fact, he rebuked kings for forming alliances with foreign powers instead of trusting in him to protect them. So the idea that God is using America to protect Israel is unbiblical and ludicrous because it takes away God's glory.
 
I said specially that God has never used a foreign power to protect Israel. In fact, he rebuked kings for forming alliances with foreign powers instead of trusting in him to protect them. So the idea that God is using America to protect Israel is unbiblical and ludicrous because it takes away God's glory.
Why do you call the US a foreign power? There are as many Jews in the US as there are in Israel.
 
  • Like
Reactions: LTTexan
I said specially that God has never used a foreign power to protect Israel. In fact, he rebuked kings for forming alliances with foreign powers instead of trusting in him to protect them. So the idea that God is using America to protect Israel is unbiblical and ludicrous because it takes away God's glory.
And God used Cyrus the Great to protect Israel, literally God through Isaiah calls Cyrus his shepherd for that task.

As for America protecting Israel, America has not ever had to do that really. This operation is interesting on this point in that it's the first time USA and Israel teamed up. It's a partnership of peers and seems we work well together, praise Jesus.
 
  • Like
Reactions: LTTexan
Well you said specifically that God has never used a foreign power, even if you find ancient Achaemenid Persia's support for Israel in returning to their rightful land and rebuilding the temple to be lackluster, still proves God can and has used such a figure like Cyrus the Great the king of Achaemenid Persia to accomplish these things. Indeed confirmed hundreds of years after Isaiah lived in the books of Ezra and Nehemiah. So it is no good to cast one's lot with Sanballat of our lifetime. Come over to our side, praise Jesus.
Evidently, @ChristRoseFromTheDead has chosen to try and delete Purim out of the annals of history.
This of course is quite impossible.

Not only that, the Balfour declaration originated in Great Britian, and the USA of today is unquestionably a nation who is "protecting Israel". A fact far beyond refutation.