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It is obvious to me you have little understanding of the history of the Near East and Palestine, the history of the development of the
dispensationalism system, so I will pass on the conversing, did that on another thread and learned very clearly that it is impossible to
reason with people who have accepted the propaganda and live in a echo chamber so that they are impervious to the facts...
it is actually quite eye opening how people can deny, deflect, rationalize, justify when they are confronted with facts, astonishing really.
I wasn;t aware of that. If that's the case then it is a heresy.
Not only is the pre-trib rapture boilerplate Biblical doctrine (backed up by a ton of intentional "types"), it is an absolute necessity to keep the plan of redemption intact and moving forward. There are no eschatological alternatives.
His @HeIsHere or @ChristRoseFromTheDead ever once raised this CRUCIAL Hebrew wedding pattern topic? No.
Do theY in the least understand it? No.
Do they desire to apprehend and teach it? On the contrary they deny and disparage it.
Hebrew betrothal ceremony. It is the most prevalent pattern in all the Bible. Its everywhere, along with the Passover pattern.
The 12-Step Hebrew Wedding Pattern
1) The Bride Is Chosen by the Father
In ancient Israel, the father of the groom chose the bride.
Spiritual meaning
God the Father chose the Church for His Son before the world began.
“You did not choose Me, but I chose you…” — John 15:16
“He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world…” — Ephesians 1:4
2) The Bride Price Is Paid
The groom paid a mohar (bride price) to redeem the bride.
Spiritual meaning
Jesus paid the price with His blood.
“You were bought with a price.” — 1 Corinthians 6:20
3) The Marriage Covenant (Betrothal) Is Made
The couple drank from a cup of wine sealing the covenant (kiddushin).
They were legally married — though not yet living together.
Spiritual meaning
The New Covenant was sealed at the Last Supper.
“This cup is the new covenant in My blood.” — Luke 22:20
The Church today is betrothed — not yet living with Christ physically.
4) The Bride Is Set Apart
The bride was now consecrated to her groom alone.
Spiritual meaning
The Church is sanctified — set apart for Christ.
“I betrothed you to one husband… Christ.” — 2 Corinthians 11:2
5) The Groom Leaves to Prepare a Place
The groom returned to his father’s house to build a bridal chamber.
He could not return until his father approved the place.
Spiritual meaning
Jesus ascended to Heaven to prepare our dwelling.
“I go to prepare a place for you.” — John 14:2
6) The Bride Waits — Not Knowing the Day or Hour
Only the father decided when the groom could go get his bride.
The bride lived in expectation — always ready.
Spiritual meaning
No one knows when Christ will return.
“No one knows the day or hour…” — Matthew 24:36
7) The Groom Comes With a Shout and a Trumpet
When the father approved, the groom went to fetch the bride.
He came at night with:
• a shout
• a trumpet blast
• a procession
Spiritual meaning
This is the rapture signal.
“The Lord Himself will descend with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God…” — 1 Thessalonians 4:16
8) The Bride Is Taken Away (This Is the Rapture)
The bride was lifted up and carried away to the groom’s house.
She did not walk — she was taken.
Spiritual meaning
The Church is caught up.
“We who are alive… shall be caught up together… to meet the Lord in the air.” — 1 Thessalonians 4:17
This is where Scripture places the rapture — before judgment.
9) The Bride Enters the Bridal Chamber
The couple entered the chuppah (bridal chamber) for about 7 days.
The door was shut.
Spiritual meaning
The Church is in Heaven while Earth goes through the 7-year Tribulation.
“Come… enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you.” — Isaiah 26:20
10) The Marriage Is Consummated
The bride and groom became one.
Spiritual meaning
The Church is permanently united with Christ.
“They are no longer two but one.” — Matthew 19:6
11) The Bride Is Revealed
After the chamber period, the bride appeared publicly.
Spiritual meaning
The Church returns with Christ in glory.
“When Christ appears, you also will appear with Him in glory.” — Colossians 3:4
12) The Marriage Supper
A huge public feast followed.
Spiritual meaning
This is the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.
“Blessed are those invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” — Revelation 19:9
Why This Is So PowerfulThis wedding model:
- Explains why the Church is removed before judgment
- Matches rapture language exactly
- Explains “no one knows the day or hour”
- Explains the 7-year separation
- Explains why the Church returns with Christ
It is not a metaphor invented later — it is built into Jewish marriage itself, which God designed to be a prophetic blueprint.
On the contrary, incalculable harm comes upon those who are NOT fixated upon the Coming of Christ.
In precisely the same way as incalculable harm came upon those not fixated upon His First Coming.
Truth be told, NOT knowing can be fatal. And we certainly CAN know (and are responsible to know!) the times and seasons.
Luk 19:44
And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation. (precisely 173,880 DAYS per Daniel 9:25).
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These are they who do NOT know the time and the seasons, ignore God's preachers, and are caught unawares.
And are at dire risk of entering into the tribulation, rather than entering into the bridechamber at the Fathers house.
If you are "on the earth" "in that day", you WILL be going thru the tribulation.
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Rev 3:10
Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
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Luk 21:35
For as a snare shall it come on ***all them*** that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Mat 24:37
But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38
For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Mat 24:39
And knew not until the flood came (despite the warnings made by God's prophet Noah), and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
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Luk 17:28
Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
Luk 17:29
But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Not only is the pre-trib rapture boilerplate Biblical doctrine (backed up by a ton of intentional "types"), it is an absolute necessity to keep the plan of redemption intact and moving forward. There are no eschatological alternatives.
His @HeIsHere or @ChristRoseFromTheDead ever once raised this CRUCIAL Hebrew wedding pattern topic? No.
Do theY in the least understand it? No.
Do they desire to apprehend and teach it? On the contrary they deny and disparage it.
Hebrew betrothal ceremony. It is the most prevalent pattern in all the Bible. Its everywhere, along with the Passover pattern.
The 12-Step Hebrew Wedding Pattern
1) The Bride Is Chosen by the Father
In ancient Israel, the father of the groom chose the bride.
Spiritual meaning
God the Father chose the Church for His Son before the world began.
“You did not choose Me, but I chose you…” — John 15:16
“He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world…” — Ephesians 1:4
2) The Bride Price Is Paid
The groom paid a mohar (bride price) to redeem the bride.
Spiritual meaning
Jesus paid the price with His blood.
“You were bought with a price.” — 1 Corinthians 6:20
3) The Marriage Covenant (Betrothal) Is Made
The couple drank from a cup of wine sealing the covenant (kiddushin).
They were legally married — though not yet living together.
Spiritual meaning
The New Covenant was sealed at the Last Supper.
“This cup is the new covenant in My blood.” — Luke 22:20
The Church today is betrothed — not yet living with Christ physically.
4) The Bride Is Set Apart
The bride was now consecrated to her groom alone.
Spiritual meaning
The Church is sanctified — set apart for Christ.
“I betrothed you to one husband… Christ.” — 2 Corinthians 11:2
5) The Groom Leaves to Prepare a Place
The groom returned to his father’s house to build a bridal chamber.
He could not return until his father approved the place.
Spiritual meaning
Jesus ascended to Heaven to prepare our dwelling.
“I go to prepare a place for you.” — John 14:2
6) The Bride Waits — Not Knowing the Day or Hour
Only the father decided when the groom could go get his bride.
The bride lived in expectation — always ready.
Spiritual meaning
No one knows when Christ will return.
“No one knows the day or hour…” — Matthew 24:36
7) The Groom Comes With a Shout and a Trumpet
When the father approved, the groom went to fetch the bride.
He came at night with:
• a shout
• a trumpet blast
• a procession
Spiritual meaning
This is the rapture signal.
“The Lord Himself will descend with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God…” — 1 Thessalonians 4:16
8) The Bride Is Taken Away (This Is the Rapture)
The bride was lifted up and carried away to the groom’s house.
She did not walk — she was taken.
Spiritual meaning
The Church is caught up.
“We who are alive… shall be caught up together… to meet the Lord in the air.” — 1 Thessalonians 4:17
This is where Scripture places the rapture — before judgment.
9) The Bride Enters the Bridal Chamber
The couple entered the chuppah (bridal chamber) for about 7 days.
The door was shut.
Spiritual meaning
The Church is in Heaven while Earth goes through the 7-year Tribulation.
“Come… enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you.” — Isaiah 26:20
10) The Marriage Is Consummated
The bride and groom became one.
Spiritual meaning
The Church is permanently united with Christ.
“They are no longer two but one.” — Matthew 19:6
11) The Bride Is Revealed
After the chamber period, the bride appeared publicly.
Spiritual meaning
The Church returns with Christ in glory.
“When Christ appears, you also will appear with Him in glory.” — Colossians 3:4
12) The Marriage Supper
A huge public feast followed.
Spiritual meaning
This is the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.
“Blessed are those invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” — Revelation 19:9
This wedding model:
- Explains why the Church is removed before judgment
- Matches rapture language exactly
- Explains “no one knows the day or hour”
- Explains the 7-year separation
- Explains why the Church returns with Christ
It is not a metaphor invented later — it is built into Jewish marriage itself, which God designed to be a prophetic blueprint.
Your posts can be ridiculous. I have to scroll for like a day to get past them. A garbage man doesn't have to wade through so much garbage.
Just now, I initially misread the OP as Revelation in Iran, and I'm not sure that it was, exactly, a mistake to read it as such. It brought to mind the consideration of the beast and the false prophet finally being cast into the lake of fire. Regardless of whatever contrary opinions of translation, I'd come to the conclusion that which is taken out of the way is the deceiver, so that they are no longer deceived for a thousand years. These have been declaring "peace, peace" for how long now only to carry out yet another terrorist venture. Gun control has been long brought up as the solution to gun violence but is the gun the impetus of the violence or is the violence the impetus of the gun. Indeed, the root is the violence against the prosperity of life. What society would live very long and prospers under the banner of death anyway? Well, one that is given power for a season by him that possesses the power of death, or so I would think.
And so, as the power of the lie is equivalent to the power of death, it being cast into the lake of fire would yield the no longer restrained millennium of truth and of peace.
And so, as the power of the lie is equivalent to the power of death, it being cast into the lake of fire would yield the no longer restrained millennium of truth and of peace.
Removal / Translation TypesEnoch
Taken by God before the Flood; clear picture of removal prior to judgment.
Elijah
Caught up into heaven without death; another strong translation type.
Absence from Judgment SceneDaniel
Not present in Daniel 3; absent while the fiery judgment takes place.
Spared / Marked for DeliveranceRahab
Identified beforehand and preserved when Jericho falls; distinguished from those under wrath.
Bride / Union Before CrisisAsenath
Gentile bride given to Joseph before the famine; union before global distress.
Ruth
Redeemed and brought into covenant blessing prior to kingdom establishment.
Rebekah
Called out and united with Isaac before covenant continuation unfolds.
Zipporah
Joined to Moses before the judgments on Egypt.
Abigail
Aligns with David before he assumes kingship and executes judgment.
Positioned / Exalted Before CrisisJoseph
Elevated before the famine; placed above and ahead of the coming crisis.
Esther
Installed as queen prior to the destruction decree; positioned for deliverance.
Heavenly Call Before Judgment (NT Pattern)John the Apostle
“Come up here” (Rev 4:1) before the main sequence of judgments; often seen as a type of upward call before wrath unfolds.
Set Apart Before Redemptive EventsMary
Chosen vessel prior to the unfolding of redemption; set apart in advance.
Tight SummaryThis refined list highlights four consistent “no-wrath” patterns:
Removed beforehand → Enoch, Elijah
Absent from the scene → Daniel
Marked and spared → Rahab
United to the redeemer before crisis → Asenath, Ruth, Rebekah, Zipporah, Abigail
Positioned in advance → Joseph, Esther
Called upward before judgment → John
Ridiculously informative and ridiculously.......correct.
You on the other hand are suffering a 99% (at least) failure rate.
It's truly is epic to behold. And yet, you remain intractably unteachable.
Bummer to be you!
Spot on! If the latest from Candace Owens is anything to go by, it ultimately leads to gun-running and slave trafficking, in between shouts of "If you don't bless Israel[i criminals], you'll be cursed!" Cults (particularly those of the Zionist "Christian" persuasion) and faith-based organisations such as TPUSA more and more appear to be where Epstein and his ilk moved their enterprises to.
Oh really ..you want us to believe a gap between the 69th and 70th week, nowhere taught in scripture.
You want us to believe......
Two different gospels? Two different peoples? NOPE
ONE Church/Body of Believers from the start.
This is the folly of Dispensationalism!
"If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise."
Gal 3:16 cancels dispensationalism along with Romans 2:25!
There is ONE Olive tree (Ro 11) rooted in Christ, the unbelievers were cut off!
and one House of God (Heb 3)
that was being perfected together (Heb 11:40)
by the blood of the New Covenant made with the House of Israel and House of Judah.
Enjoy!
YES, certainly, the fig tree is intended to be a symbolic reference to the nation Israel. The evidence is overwhelming.
And we should be WATCHING the "fig tree", the nation Israel, as they THEMSELVES, in and of themselves, are a SIGN to the entire world, and always will be. Therefore men are WITHOUT EXCUSE in the matter of "watching" and responding appropriately.
FIG TREE / FIGS — ISRAEL PASSAGES
Book of Hosea 9:10“I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time…”
Book of Jeremiah 24:2–3, 5, 8“One basket had very good figs… and the other basket had very naughty figs…”
“Like these good figs, so will I acknowledge them that are carried away captive of Judah…”
“And as the evil figs… so will I give Zedekiah… and the residue of Jerusalem…”
Book of Jeremiah 8:13“I will surely consume them, saith the LORD: there shall be no grapes on the vine, nor figs on the fig tree…”
Book of Joel 1:7“He hath laid my vine waste, and barked my fig tree…”
Book of Micah 4:4“But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree…”
First Book of Kings 4:25“And Judah and Israel dwelt safely… every man under his vine and under his fig tree…”
Second Book of Kings 18:31“Eat ye every man of his own vine, and every one of his fig tree…”
Book of Isaiah 34:4“…as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.”
(Used in judgment imagery tied to the land/people)
Book of Nahum 3:12“All thy strong holds shall be like fig trees with the firstripe figs…”
NEW TESTAMENT — ISRAEL CONTEXT Gospel of Luke 13:6–9“A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard…”
“Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none…”
Gospel of Matthew 21:18–19“Now in the morning… he came to a fig tree, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only…”
“Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever.”
Gospel of Mark 11:13–14, 20–21“And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves… he found nothing but leaves…”
“No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever…”
Optional (often INCLUDED in Israel discussions, but debated) Gospel of Matthew 24:32–33“Now learn a parable of the fig tree…”
Gospel of Luke 21:29–30“Behold the fig tree, and all the trees…”
Why is Ben Shapiro a nut Job?
I would also add that according to Daniel,the AC desecrates the temple halfway through the 7 yr trib."the second coming will be unexpected"
False. It will be unexpected ONLY for those who are not watching because they do not believe Him and therefore are not waiting for Him. We SHOULD know the times and season. Paul taught this everywhere, yet pastors today abandon this teaching requirement.
1Th 5:1
But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you.
1Th 5:4
But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief
Rev 3:3
“Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you
"In his human nature, Jesus voluntarily chose not to use his divine knowledge to know the date of his return"
I don't believe that is the proper interpretation. Jesus is omniscient and always knows everything all of the time, and certainly knows the mind of the Father. Jesus is referring to the distinction of roles in salvation history. Personally, I see this as an intertwining of the entire "end-time" prophetic matrix of rapture - man of sin revealed - time of Jacobs trouble - day of the Lord all packaged together in one terse saying.
Mat 24:36
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mar 13:32
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Jhn 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
1Th 4:16
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
"fully submitting to the Father's timeline"
This is true and follows the Hebrew wedding protocol perfectly.
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And YES, certainly, the fig tree is intended to be a symbolic reference to the nation Israel. The evidence is overwhelming.
And we should be WATCHING the "fig tree", the nation Israel, as they THEMSELVES, in and of themselves, are a SIGN to the entire world, and always will be. Therefore men are WITHOUT EXCUSE in the matter of "watching" and responding appropriately.
FIG TREE / FIGS — ISRAEL PASSAGES
“I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time…”
“One basket had very good figs… and the other basket had very naughty figs…”
“Like these good figs, so will I acknowledge them that are carried away captive of Judah…”
“And as the evil figs… so will I give Zedekiah… and the residue of Jerusalem…”
“I will surely consume them, saith the LORD: there shall be no grapes on the vine, nor figs on the fig tree…”
“He hath laid my vine waste, and barked my fig tree…”
“But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree…”
“And Judah and Israel dwelt safely… every man under his vine and under his fig tree…”
“Eat ye every man of his own vine, and every one of his fig tree…”
“…as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.”
(Used in judgment imagery tied to the land/people)
“All thy strong holds shall be like fig trees with the firstripe figs…”
“A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard…”
“Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none…”
“Now in the morning… he came to a fig tree, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only…”
“Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever.”
“And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves… he found nothing but leaves…”
“No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever…”
“Now learn a parable of the fig tree…”
“Behold the fig tree, and all the trees…”
So a person can calculate within a few day when the second coming is.
( makes "nobody knows the day or hour", not true for them)
Entirely believable if anyone has spent any time reading the files.
Scripture speaks of two resurrections, with those who take part in the first described as blessed and holy. Is it possible (without heresy) that the first resurrection is past, but the second yet to come?
Even if one discards his unhinged rants, to stalk one's ex-employees for years after he fires them is insane, if not also evil.
I noticed you did not bite on the personal attack.Enjoy!
YES, certainly, the fig tree is intended to be a symbolic reference to the nation Israel. The evidence is overwhelming.
And we should be WATCHING the "fig tree", the nation Israel, as they THEMSELVES, in and of themselves, are a SIGN to the entire world, and always will be. Therefore men are WITHOUT EXCUSE in the matter of "watching" and responding appropriately.
FIG TREE / FIGS — ISRAEL PASSAGES
“I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time…”
“One basket had very good figs… and the other basket had very naughty figs…”
“Like these good figs, so will I acknowledge them that are carried away captive of Judah…”
“And as the evil figs… so will I give Zedekiah… and the residue of Jerusalem…”
“I will surely consume them, saith the LORD: there shall be no grapes on the vine, nor figs on the fig tree…”
“He hath laid my vine waste, and barked my fig tree…”
“But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree…”
“And Judah and Israel dwelt safely… every man under his vine and under his fig tree…”
“Eat ye every man of his own vine, and every one of his fig tree…”
“…as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.”
(Used in judgment imagery tied to the land/people)
“All thy strong holds shall be like fig trees with the firstripe figs…”
“A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard…”
“Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none…”
“Now in the morning… he came to a fig tree, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only…”
“Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever.”
“And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves… he found nothing but leaves…”
“No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever…”
“Now learn a parable of the fig tree…”
“Behold the fig tree, and all the trees…”
That member "Christ rose from the dead" must be a postribber.
They always end up in a personal attack mode.
I feel their frustration...
Fake *and* gay!
Just like Trump's recent assassination attempt - worse than WWF wrestling. I really hope the big one is not going to be as obvious.Isn't this the definition of a Messianic Jew?
No. For one, the devil hasn't been thrown into the botomless pit.
Two, Paul said that idea overthrows believers' faith, and he turned over to satan two men mentioned by name that taught that idea.
Third, it violates the scriptural witness of a bodily resurrection.
And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh I shall see God: Job 19:26
Fake *and* gay!
Yeah the psyops are quite obvious and so very sloppy these days!
I read this on X .. thought it was perfect!!
https://x.com/GrandpaHarris65
BREAKING:
As the WHCD shooter was led away, multiple sources report hearing him shout, “I never would have done this in a really big Ballroom!”
