Revolution in Iran

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That's the quibble though, we don't view the OT as a different dispensations we view the whole Bible and the whole history and reality as one continuous story from Genesis 1 to Revelation 22. The Law still exists but the Law wasn't made to save you (the Gospel was), but that's not a matter of different dispensations, because the Law wasn't even originally made to save anyone to begin with since it was made to discern sin, good and evil, clean and unclean, and provide a basic structural framework of civil and social order.
The day of the Mosaic Law, the Old Covenant is over. Like totally over. Never to return.

Today is the day of the New Covenant.....for the Bride the Body.

Ex post factco the rapture of the Church, then comes the day of the New Covenant for the Nation Israel and the gentiles.
 
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Of course if you are not well studied on eschatological language then one would also naturally deduce this creature should be arriving any moment....:D



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Go ahead.....render your opinion on these prophetic types and symbols.

Making a mockery of them is hardly useful, helpful or edifying.
 
The day of the Mosaic Law, the Old Covenant is over. Like totally over. Never to return.

Today is the day of the New Covenant.....for the Bride the Body.

Ex post factco the rapture of the Church, then comes the day of the New Covenant for the Nation Israel and the gentiles.
Not a jot or tittle of it passes away until the end of the world. Heaven and Earth will literally pass away one day and that's the day the truth contained in the Law, rightly discerned, will pass away. We don't view the NT as a new covenant but the fulfilment of the covenants and the Law and the prophets in the OT. But it's again a quibble, it's not the same as you know denying the Second Coming by claiming it happened in 70 AD and was somehow carried out by Nero 2-3 years after he was already dead even according to the Roman's own secular pagan histories.
 
Not a jot or tittle of it passes away until the end of the world. Heaven and Earth will literally pass away one day and that's the day the truth contained in the Law, rightly discerned, will pass away. We don't view the NT as a new covenant but the fulfilment of the covenants and the Law and the prophets in the OT. But it's again a quibble, it's not the same as you know denying the Second Coming by claiming it happened in 70 AD and was somehow carried out by Nero 2-3 years after he was already dead even according to the Roman's own secular pagan histories.
Those who enter into the New Covenant keep the law. No doubt about that.

Jas 1:25 - But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Jas 2:8 - If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

1Ti 1:9 - Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
 
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Those who enter into the New Covenant keep the law. No doubt about that.

Jas 1:25 - But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Jas 2:8 - If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
I think it's more just conflating too many doctrines together in my opinion. Really it's just think way simpler, like the Law was never meant to save, but to discern, it's not like sins aren't sins anymore just because of the old covenants being fulfilled in the person of Jesus Christ and his new covenant established (which is a continuation of promises made even all the way back from the first mortal day in the Garden). It's similar to like the covenants made with Moses didn't become obsolete or reprsent a different dispensation just because the covenants with David were made. We view the whole scripture as a comprehensive whole, the covenants, Law, prophecies, teachings, histories, etc. supporting eachother until the end of reality itself.

1 Timothy 1:8-10
 
I think it's more just conflating too many doctrines together in my opinion. Really it's just think way simpler, like the Law was never meant to save, but to discern, it's not like sins aren't sins anymore just because of the old covenants being fulfilled in the person of Jesus Christ and his new covenant established (which is a continuation of promises made even all the way back from the first mortal day in the Garden). It's similar to like the covenants made with Moses didn't become obsolete or reprsent a different dispensation just because the covenants with David were made. We view the whole scripture as a comprehensive whole, the covenants, Law, prophecies, teachings, histories, etc. supporting eachother until the end of reality itself.

1 Timothy 1:8-10
Gal 6:2 - Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum’s exegesis of the "Law of Christ" (Torat HaMashiach) in Galatians 6:2 is tied directly to his dispensational framework and his theology of Biblical covenants.

To understand how he unpacks this passage without falling into antinomianism (lawlessness) while firmly holding that the Mosaic Law is obsolete, his teaching breaks down into a few core principles:

1. The Concept of "Law Codes"
Fruchtenbaum emphasizes that God has governed different eras of human history with distinct, comprehensive legal codes. The termination of one code does not mean believers are lawless; rather, it means they have been placed under a completely new administration.

The Mosaic Law was a single, indivisible unit consisting of all 613 mitzvot (commandments). It was given strictly to Israel, and its authority was terminated in its entirety at the Cross (Romans\ 10:4, Hebrews\ 8:13).

The Law of Christ (also called "the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ" in Romans\ 8:2) is the new, distinct code governing the New Testament believer today.

2. The Overlap, Not Continuation
A common point of confusion is why some commandments in the New Testament look identical to those in the Old Testament (e.g., prohibitions against murder, theft, or the call to love one's neighbor).

Fruchtenbaum explains this using an architectural or legislative analogy: when a government writes a completely new constitution, it may adopt specific laws from the old system. However, those laws do not carry authority because they were in the old system; they carry authority because they have been formally restated in the new one.

Fruchtenbaum's Rule: If a Mosaic commandment is not explicitly restated under the Law of Christ, it is completely abrogated. If it is restated, it is binding on the believer solely because it is part of the Law of Christ.

For instance, nine of the Ten Commandments are restated in the New Testament epistles and are thus part of the Law of Christ. The Sabbath commandment is never restated for the Church and is therefore not binding.

3. Exegesis of Galatians 6:2 and "Bearing Burdens"
In the immediate context of Galatians 6:2, Paul is wrapping up a letter fiercely defending liberty from the Mosaic Law against Judaizers. Right after telling them they are free from the law of Moses, he tells them to fulfill the "Law of Christ" by bearing one another's burdens.

Fruchtenbaum notes that the supreme, motivating ethos of this new code is sacrificial love energized by the Holy Spirit. While the Mosaic Law provided an external yoke of performance, the Law of Christ operates via an internal transformation (Romans\ 7:4, 6). Bearing a brother or sister's burden in restoration and community is the ultimate practical expression of the love Christ commanded (John\ 13:34).
 
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The beast from the sea, also the same fourth beast from Daniel. The beast is their kingdom, and the abomination of desolation that the Man of Sin makes is an image of this spirit.

So its not literal ..and of course the rules change not based on context and eschatological language used but rather how one can make fit the system.
 
So its not literal ..and of course the rules change not based on context and eschatological language used but rather how one can make fit the system.
What does Daniel 7 and Revelation 13 literally say?
It helps when you read the whole chapter, as well as the whole Bible and literally believe it instead of what a heretical cult of preterists who don't even get the secular Roman history correct say.
 
What does Daniel 7 and Revelation 13 literally say?
It helps when you read the whole chapter, as well as the whole Bible and literally believe it instead of what a heretical cult of preterists who don't even get the secular Roman history correct say.

I know my Roman history very well actually so no worries there, even studied Latin in high school.

Oh, you could try and undo the very words of Christ Jesus and His time stamps but you don't because it is not possible ... some do though and they try to explain them away with some convoluted rhetoric ...kind like this guy...but that is an epic fail!!


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I know my Roman history very well actually so no worries there, even studied Latin in high school.

Oh, you could try and undo the very words of Christ Jesus and His time stamps but you don't because it is not possible ... some do though and they try to explain them away with some convoluted rhetoric ...kind like this guy...but that is an epic fail!!


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Then how do you not know that Nero was dead before 70 AD and the Jews weren't expelled from Judaea until like 70 years and two whole dynasty's after?

The only one trying to undo the words of Christ and twist the scriptures to make the power of God to no effect is your heretical cult, that's why their heresy is ranked damnable and they all go to the hellfire automatically for it becuase they don't really have any faith at all.
 
Then how do you not know that Nero was dead before 70 AD and the Jews weren't expelled from Judaea until like 70 years and two whole dynasty's after?

The only one tryin to undo the words of Christ and make the power of God to no effect is your heretical cult, that's why their heresy damnable and they go to the hellfire automatically for it becuase they don't really have any faith at all.

Why do you harp about Nero?
Explain yourself.
 
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Wrong, your heresy wants to play God that is why they want to say he has no power and that the Apocalypse already happened before it was even written.

Let me know when you have a real cogent argument, (which will be never because all you have are the usual low level frequency rhetoric) ...about the dating of Revelation, the writings of Josephus, the many, many scholars of the partial or full preterist postion, Roman history, and the destruction of the temple, the siege/destruction of Jerusalem and the end of the age, as Jesus clearly prophesied... until then Ciao 👋
 
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Let me know when you have a real cogent argument, (which will be never because all you have are the usual low level frequency rhetoric) ...about the dating of Revelation, the writings of Josephus, the many, many scholars of the partial or full preterist postion, Roman history, and the destruction of the temple, the siege/destruction of Jerusalem and the end of the age, as Jesus clearly prophesied... until then Ciao 👋
We been over how Josephus is literally a Pharisee that convinced the jews to commit suicide before he betrayed them to the Romans. The words of Christ as told by the true faithful of the Bible is stronger than the heresies twisting it as told by the Pharisees and Saduccees the spiritual fathers of those that say they are jews but they do lie.

Also already destroyed the preterist heresy delusion about the Apocalypse happening in 70 AD at the sack of Jerusalem during a whole different dynasty's reign than Nero. Even that wasn't the scattering of the jews throughout the world which was prophesied in the OT, that didn't happen until yet another dynasty after and nearly 70 years more. See how the heretics not only can't get the Bible right, they can't get the secular history right either. Their heresy is a lie, it doesn't match the truth at all whatsoever no matter which way we cut it.
 
lol, and I thought Josephus writings and the things Jerome wrote about the copy of Matthew he used were off limits to preterist the last few years.
 
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lol, and I thought Josephus writings and the things Jerome wrote about the copy of Matthew he used were off limits to preterist the last few years.
Dune is fun, but we're really full on Romaboos. Josephus barely even counts for Romaboo canon cause rreally he's just a jewish pharisee that betrayed his people (literally). Read Plutarch's Parallel Lives, it's a good one.

 
lol, and I thought Josephus writings and the things Jerome wrote about the copy of Matthew he used were off limits to preterist the last few years.
"The Destruction at the Crucifixion: Instead of the curtain of the Temple tearing in half, Jerome noted that the Hebrew version stated a massive masonry lintel (a structural beam over the door) of the Temple collapsed."
 
Dune is fun, but we're really full on Romaboos. Josephus barely even counts for Romaboo canon cause rreally he's just a jewish pharisee that betrayed his people (literally). Read Plutarch's Parallel Lives, it's a good one.


Have you ever read the writings of Josephus? Why I ask is in eschatology it's actually far more damaging to preterism than supportive. Unless though one only quotes from here and there from it and disregards the rest.
 
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