Revolution in Iran

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I have been struggling to get a straight answer regarding the final chapters of Ezekiel.
I will just assume that nobody has one.
Just talk about whatever you want.
Struggling to contain your cognitive dissonance?
This incident is historically unprecidented and has the fingerprints of a nuclear event written all over it.

[Eze 39:6-16, 22, 25-29 KJV]
6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I [am] the LORD.

7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not [let them] pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I [am] the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.

8 Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord GOD; this [is] the day whereof I have spoken.

9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:

10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down [any] out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord GOD.

11 And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the [noses] of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call [it] The valley of Hamongog.

12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.
(Show me the record of history @Beekeeper )


13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury [them]; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD. 14 And they shall sever out men of continual employment, passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth, to cleanse it: after the end of seven months shall they search.

15 And the passengers [that] pass through the land, when [any] seeth a man's bone, then shall he set up a sign by it, till the buriers have buried it in the valley of Hamongog.

16 And also the name of the city [shall be] Hamonah. Thus shall they cleanse the land. ...

22 So the house of Israel shall know that I [am] the LORD their God from that day and forward. ...

25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;

26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made [them] afraid.

27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;

28 Then shall they know that I [am] the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.
 
It has been my opinion that the ceasefire was little more than a stalling tactic — a feint by which the USA and the IDF could replenish depleted weapons stores, gather intelligence, regroup, and then re-engage to achieve their objectives.


With God's help I hope they wipe them off the map. They've been given every chance. Now it's time to bring down the hammer.
 
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And now back to Ezekiel 38 and 39.
Israel's victory against Magog also happened in the old Testament.

Ezekiel 39:11.... there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog

The Valley of Hamongog can be found on the old map:

Revelations 20:8 references that battle, just as Revelations 18:10 references the destruction of Babylon.
That does not mean that either of these events have not yet happened.
What happens in Revelation 20 immediately after Gog and Satan get killed?
 
With the more relevant subtopic of Lebanon and Hezbollah, I would note that Trump recently met with the President of Syria, and we know Trump has in the early days of attempting the MoU floated the possibility of letting the Syrian sunnis take care of the shia terrorists in Lebanon. That's not saying that's what will happen, but it just seems mighty coincidental that Trump has a glowing meeting with the Syrian president just the other day.

 
It has been my opinion that the ceasefire was little more than a stalling tactic — a feint by which the USA and the IDF could replenish depleted weapons stores, gather intelligence, regroup, and then re-engage to achieve their objectives.

It's partly right but that's just a cynical view and superficial. It's important Israel tried this, they humbled their ego somewhat and adhered to Trump's command to try the ceasefire. It's more than just about authority and ego, it shows Israel is maturing, it shows they are capable of self-correction and can get over their Merchant of Venice mindset era to be not just rulers of the land in name and politics, but even just spiritually, true stewards of the land and people God has entrusted them to govern. The fact Iran lied and betrayed the MoU so many times is also profoundly powerful, it shows they deserve what they're about to get, it shows their regime is an illegitimate cult with an unprofessional army of nothing more than thugs really, their regime reaches its end, he who is better than they to rule the land and the people responsibly must take their place.
 
It has been my opinion that the ceasefire was little more than a stalling tactic — a feint by which the USA and the IDF could replenish depleted weapons stores, gather intelligence, regroup, and then re-engage to achieve their objectives.

Do both. The illegitimate cult that is on its way out anyways really cannot be trusted to hold either one of these islands. America, and ideally a coalition of the Gulf countries that Iran has been attacking (which is literally just all of them) could also participate, the coalition could hold the islands in trust for the next legitimate regime, ideally a regime formulated by Pahlavi returning, formally abdicating the legitimate monarchy, and participating in the drafting of a new more modern republican constitution. They won't become like the West, but as the example of multiple middle east countries that have modernized in just the past decade show they can keep culture and just not be you know literally making State policy decisions and their foreign policy based on the Supreme Leader claiming to be talking to the dead.

 
You have no proof, only unsubstantiated prejudicial assertions.
As is evidenced by your one-liner replies.

I can rally not think of anything more biblical illiterate (to use your favorite expression) than believing Christ Jesus was failure.
 
So interesting how people are cheering on the self imposed destruction of their own country.
 
I can rally not think of anything more biblical illiterate (to use your favorite expression) than believing Christ Jesus was failure.
Jesus Christ a failure? Failure requires time and circumstances.
Jesus Messiah Kinsman Redeemer of Israel suffers to be constrained by neither, as He created both and is the impeccable master of them.

Rom 11:1
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

Rom 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Rom 11:26
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
 
Jesus Christ a failure? Failure requires time and circumstances.
Jesus Messiah Kinsman Redeemer of Israel suffers to be constrained by neither, as He created both and is the impeccable master of them.

Rom 11:1
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

Rom 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Rom 11:26
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Right .........written to the people in Rome 2000+ years ago, that fact can never be overruled.
 
Right .........written to the people in Rome 2000+ years ago, that fact can never be overruled.
Rom 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

The Greek is perfectly clear that Israel’s present national hardening is neither total nor permanent. It continues only until the full complement of the Gentiles has entered. Once the divinely appointed roster of the Church has been completed, Israel’s national blindness will be removed, culminating in the salvation of all Israel at the return of her Deliverer.

The key clause is:


πώρωσις ἀπὸ μέρους τῷ Ἰσραὴλ γέγονεν ἄχρι οὗ τὸ πλήρωμα τῶν ἐθνῶν εἰσέλθῃ

Literally:


“A hardening in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.”

The force of the statement is:


  • πώρωσις — hardening, dullness, or spiritual insensibility.
  • ἀπὸ μέρους — “in part,” meaning neither every individual Israelite nor a permanent, total rejection.
  • ἄχρι οὗ — “until which time,” establishing a temporal boundary.
  • πλήρωμα τῶν ἐθνῶν — the fullness, full complement, or completed number of the Gentiles.
  • εἰσέλθῃ — “shall have entered in,” an aorist subjunctive indicating the completion of the anticipated entrance.

Paul therefore describes Israel’s national hardening as partial and temporary, not permanent. It continues until the Gentile fullness has entered.


Verse 26 then supplies the result:


“And so all Israel shall be saved.”

Thus, Paul’s sequence is:


Israel’s partial hardening → the completed Gentile ingathering → Israel’s national salvation.
God is presently calling out a predominantly Gentile body, the Church, and when that body reaches its divinely determined fullness, the present hardening of national Israel will end.
Individual Jewish people can—and do—believe during the present age; Paul himself is the immediate proof in Romans 11:1–5. What awaits in the future is not the first salvation of any Jewish individual, but the removal of Israel’s corporate or national hardening.
 
Rom 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

The Greek is perfectly clear that Israel’s present national hardening is neither total nor permanent. It continues only until the full complement of the Gentiles has entered. Once the divinely appointed roster of the Church has been completed, Israel’s national blindness will be removed, culminating in the salvation of all Israel at the return of her Deliverer.

The key clause is:




Literally:




The force of the statement is:


  • πώρωσις — hardening, dullness, or spiritual insensibility.
  • ἀπὸ μέρους — “in part,” meaning neither every individual Israelite nor a permanent, total rejection.
  • ἄχρι οὗ — “until which time,” establishing a temporal boundary.
  • πλήρωμα τῶν ἐθνῶν — the fullness, full complement, or completed number of the Gentiles.
  • εἰσέλθῃ — “shall have entered in,” an aorist subjunctive indicating the completion of the anticipated entrance.

Paul therefore describes Israel’s national hardening as partial and temporary, not permanent. It continues until the Gentile fullness has entered.


Verse 26 then supplies the result:




Thus, Paul’s sequence is:


Israel’s partial hardening → the completed Gentile ingathering → Israel’s national salvation.
God is presently calling out a predominantly Gentile body, the Church, and when that body reaches its divinely determined fullness, the present hardening of national Israel will end.
Individual Jewish people can—and do—believe during the present age; Paul himself is the immediate proof in Romans 11:1–5. What awaits in the future is not the first salvation of any Jewish individual, but the removal of Israel’s corporate or national hardening.

Thank you brother for being diligent and unrelenting in presenting the truth of God's Word. I believe people came here to spread Antisemitism. They came here suddenly and started a gang here. I stated the same truths over and over again, with Scripture and they would gang up and shout me down with fake history and twisted Scriptures. You have given them a run for their money. (y)
 
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